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hjmick
01-08-2008, 02:59 PM
I rarely cross post a thread on two seperate boards, but for this topic I made an exception, some of you will recognize it from "another board."

I was exchanging thoughts on "another board" about Ron Paul earlier and I expressed the notion that one factor that gives me pause where Paul is concerned is the fact that my bigot of a cousin supports him quite strongly. While I acknowledged that the fact that a racist may support him, that in and of itself does not make Ron Paul a racist, I was prompted to look into his positions a bit more. I also applied this idea to the other candidates. It seems that I am not the only one looking at Ron Paul.

While tripping around the internet today, I stumbled upon this article over at The New Republic. The author was curious about Ron Paul. He delved into Ron Paul's political past, particularly the different newsletters published under Paul's name. There is some disturbing content to be found in the newsletters, homophobic commentary, anti-semitism, racist comments.

As the author points out, there are very few by-lines, so whether or not Paul wrote the pieces is debatable. However, if he did not author the work, the question should be asked, why allow the work to be published giving the impression that these are your beliefs?

It is an interesting read. I am not accusing Ron Paul of being a bigot. I do not know the man. This is why the title of the thread is a question.

But I will say that if he is not, perhaps he would have been better served by paying closer attention to what was printed in his name.



Angry White Man
by James Kirchick

If you are a critic of the Bush administration, chances are that, at some point over the past six months, Ron Paul has said something that appealed to you. Paul describes himself as a libertarian, but, since his presidential campaign took off earlier this year, the Republican congressman has attracted donations and plaudits from across the ideological spectrum. Antiwar conservatives, disaffected centrists, even young liberal activists have all flocked to Paul, hailing him as a throwback to an earlier age, when politicians were less mealy-mouthed and American government was more modest in its ambitions, both at home and abroad. In The New York Times Magazine, conservative writer Christopher Caldwell gushed that Paul is a "formidable stander on constitutional principle," while The Nation praised "his full-throated rejection of the imperial project in Iraq." Former TNR editor Andrew Sullivan endorsed Paul for the GOP nomination, and ABC's Jack Tapper described the candidate as "the one true straight-talker in this race." Even The Wall Street Journal, the newspaper of the elite bankers whom Paul detests, recently advised other Republican presidential contenders not to "dismiss the passion he's tapped."

Most voters had never heard of Paul before he launched his quixotic bid for the Republican nomination. But the Texan has been active in politics for decades. And long before he was the darling of antiwar activists on the left and right, Paul was in the newsletter business. In the age before blogs, newsletters occupied a prominent place in right-wing political discourse. With the pages of mainstream political magazines typically off-limits to their views (National Review editor William F. Buckley having famously denounced the John Birch Society), hardline conservatives resorted to putting out their own, less glossy publications. These were often paranoid and rambling--dominated by talk of international banking conspiracies, the Trilateral Commission's plans for world government, and warnings about coming Armageddon--but some of them had wide and devoted audiences. And a few of the most prominent bore the name of Ron Paul.

Paul's newsletters have carried different titles over the years--Ron Paul's Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report--but they generally seem to have been published on a monthly basis since at least 1978. (Paul, an OB-GYN and former U.S. Army surgeon, was first elected to Congress in 1976.) During some periods, the newsletters were published by the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education, a non-profit Paul founded in 1976; at other times, they were published by Ron Paul & Associates, a now-defunct entity in which Paul owned a minority stake, according to his campaign spokesman. The Freedom Report claimed to have over 100,000 readers in 1984. At one point, Ron Paul & Associates also put out a monthly publication called The Ron Paul Investment Letter.
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nevadamedic
01-08-2008, 03:09 PM
I rarely cross post a thread on two seperate boards, but for this topic I made an exception, some of you will recognize it from "another board."

I was exchanging thoughts on "another board" about Ron Paul earlier and I expressed the notion that one factor that gives me pause where Paul is concerned is the fact that my bigot of a cousin supports him quite strongly. While I acknowledged that the fact that a racist may support him, that in and of itself does not make Ron Paul a racist, I was prompted to look into his positions a bit more. I also applied this idea to the other candidates. It seems that I am not the only one looking at Ron Paul.

While tripping around the internet today, I stumbled upon this article over at The New Republic. The author was curious about Ron Paul. He delved into Ron Paul's political past, particularly the different newsletters published under Paul's name. There is some disturbing content to be found in the newsletters, homophobic commentary, anti-semitism, racist comments.

As the author points out, there are very few by-lines, so whether or not Paul wrote the pieces is debatable. However, if he did not author the work, the question should be asked, why allow the work to be published giving the impression that these are your beliefs?

It is an interesting read. I am not accusing Ron Paul of being a bigot. I do not know the man. This is why the title of the thread is a question.

But I will say that if he is not, perhaps he would have been better served by paying closer attention to what was printed in his name.

This surprises anyone because why?!?!?!?!?

hjmick
01-08-2008, 03:12 PM
Drudge has a link to both the article I posted as well as a link to a list of quotes from the newsletter(s) compiled by Daniel Koffler over at PajamasMedia.

Ron Paul Bigotry Revolution (http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/ron_paul.php)

I would hope that it would give any Ron Paul supporter pause.

hjmick
01-08-2008, 03:14 PM
This surprises anyone because why?!?!?!?!?

I didn't say I was surprised.

If I am surprised, it's due to the fact that it took this long for anyone to mention it.

nevadamedic
01-08-2008, 03:14 PM
Drudge has a link to both the article I posted as well as a link to a list of quotes from the newsletter(s) compiled by Daniel Koffler over at PajamasMedia.

Ron Paul Bigotry Revolution (http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/ron_paul.php)

I would hope that it would give any Ron Paul supporter pause.

It wont, they have been taken by a really great con man. Think about it, the board racist Hugh supports him so that's where my first doubt came from.

hjmick
01-08-2008, 04:21 PM
In the interest of being fair, Ron Paul responded to the article to something called Reason Magazine.

Exclusive: Ron Paul Responds (http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124281.html)

Essentially, Paul's position is that the newsletters he wrote he stands by and someone else wrote the stuff he has disowned.

theHawk
01-08-2008, 05:22 PM
Oh of course, Ron Paul is a bigot because he called Israel an "aggressive, national socialist state". Which of course is exactly what it is.

God forbid someone doesn't want our government to shell out billions of taxdollars to other countries for their racists political movements!

Pale Rider
01-08-2008, 05:27 PM
Drudge has a link to both the article I posted as well as a link to a list of quotes from the newsletter(s) compiled by Daniel Koffler over at PajamasMedia.

Ron Paul Bigotry Revolution (http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/ron_paul.php)

I would hope that it would give any Ron Paul supporter pause.

After reading that, I think I like him even more now. I have respect for someone that has the balls to speak the truth, no matter how hard it is to swallow, or unpopular or politically incorrect it is.

82Marine89
01-08-2008, 09:31 PM
It wont, they have been taken by a really great con man. Think about it, the board racist Hugh supports him so that's where my first doubt came from.

And you support McCain and claim to be a conservative.

Hugh Lincoln
01-09-2008, 12:43 AM
What we have here is a separation of the men from the boys.

So long, boys!

GO RON PAUL!!!

manu1959
01-09-2008, 12:44 AM
And you support McCain and claim to be a conservative.

compared to hillary and obama he is....

Pale Rider
01-09-2008, 10:54 AM
compared to hillary and obama he is....

Yeah but nm said a month or so ago he was going to vote for hillary. Doesn't sound like much of a conservative to me... :dunno:

5stringJeff
01-10-2008, 09:59 AM
Yeah but nm said a month or so ago he was going to vote for hillary. Doesn't sound like much of a conservative to me... :dunno:

NM has no moral authority. He's a Democrat in "conservative" clothing - a RINO. I'd take political advice from my two-year-old over him.

theHawk
01-10-2008, 05:26 PM
Ron Paul's bigoted past has suddenly appeared on CNN! Amazing how these things come up during an election campaign!


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A series of newsletters in the name of GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul contain several racist remarks -- including one that says order was restored to Los Angeles after the 1992 riots when blacks went "to pick up their welfare checks."


This is a copy of one of the "Ron Paul Political Report" newsletters, which has stirred controversy.

1 of 2 CNN recently obtained the newsletters -- written in the 1990s and one from the late 1980s -- after a report was published about their existence in the New Republic.

None of the newsletters CNN found says who wrote them, but each was published under Paul's name between his stints as a U.S. congressman from Texas.

Paul spokesman Jesse Benton told CNN the material was not written by Paul, and that he finds them "abhorrent." CNN asked the presidential contender for a direct response. He is to appear on CNN's "The Situation Room" Thursday afternoon around 5 p.m. ET.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/index.html

Does anyone honestly believe this stuff wasn't already known about months ago? lol

hjmick
01-10-2008, 05:38 PM
Does anyone honestly believe this stuff wasn't already known about months ago? lol

I can honestly say that I had never heard of any of this stuff before now. Then again, I had never heard of Ron Paul until a few months ago either...

Kathianne
01-10-2008, 05:53 PM
Ron Paul's bigoted past has suddenly appeared on CNN! Amazing how these things come up during an election campaign!




http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/index.html

Does anyone honestly believe this stuff wasn't already known about months ago? lol

It's been out there, but you had to look for it. Actually as I've said repeatedly, the newsletters disappeared down the memory hole on the net about 6 months ago or so.

Psychoblues
01-17-2008, 11:54 PM
The racial attitudes of Ron Paul generally fit the political senses of the Republican Party hands down!!!!!!!! It's an old whate man's war. Please!!!!!!!!! Let the old white men fight it!!!!!!!!!

As an old white man, myself, I just refuse to allow the fears of my forefathers to dictate my own justifications for American freedoms.

Kathianne
01-17-2008, 11:58 PM
The racial attitudes of Ron Paul generally fit the political senses of the Republican Party hands down!!!!!!!! It's an old whate man's war. Please!!!!!!!!! Let the old white men fight it!!!!!!!!!

As an old white man, myself, I just refuse to allow the fears of my forefathers to dictate my own justifications for American freedoms.

prove it.

Psychoblues
01-18-2008, 12:05 AM
All you have to do is look left and right, kitty. I don't have to prove a damn thing to you.