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manu1959
01-08-2008, 10:57 PM
man can this guy give a speech......he is on a roll.....they better double his ss detail.....

LiberalNation
01-08-2008, 10:59 PM
Yes, a truly inspiring speaker. But once the campign is over you need more than just speaches to run a country.

manu1959
01-08-2008, 11:01 PM
Yes, a truly inspiring speaker. But once the campign is over you need more than just speaches to run a country.

actually true leadership requires no action only the ability to inspire others to make things happen....

jfk did it......clinton did it.....reagan did it....fdr did it....

JohnDoe
01-08-2008, 11:03 PM
so, hillary beat obama in nh?

manu1959
01-08-2008, 11:03 PM
so, hillary beat obama in nh?


she did.....

Kathianne
01-08-2008, 11:04 PM
If experience is what is wanted, McCain wins.

I don't think though that's it. My guess is Obama. Hillary does NOT have the experience and she's old and running on husbands deeds. My guess is this speaks more about NH than US.

manu1959
01-08-2008, 11:06 PM
now the angry woman speaks......

JohnDoe
01-08-2008, 11:06 PM
she did.....by how much?

manu1959
01-08-2008, 11:08 PM
by how much?

77% of the vote in

hillary 85k 39%

obama 79k 36%

LiberalNation
01-08-2008, 11:11 PM
By a lot considering the polls before the votes had obama leading by a wide margin. She'll do even better in states that don't let independents vote in their primaries. She has a lot of dem support and a lot of female voters.

manu1959
01-08-2008, 11:14 PM
By a lot considering the polls before the votes had obama leading by a wide margin. She'll do even better in states that don't let independents vote in their primaries. She has a lot of dem support and a lot of female voters.

polls are crap ..... they had no clue how many first time and new voters showed up .....

Yurt
01-08-2008, 11:22 PM
obama has more issues in his closet than any of the contenders you mentioned........in experience.

willy may have a "in the pants" problem, but he could lead a country. obamarama, no way, he has nothing and he supports blacks over whites, so says his "christian" church.

manu1959
01-08-2008, 11:24 PM
obama has more issues in his closet than any of the contenders you mentioned........in experience.

willy may have a "in the pants" problem, but he could lead a country. obamarama, no way, he has nothing and he supports blacks over whites, so says his "christian" church.

all i can say is obama is a natural leader and a natural orator.....he will draw a lot of followers.....

Sitarro
01-08-2008, 11:41 PM
I find Obama very unconvincing, no better than a used car salesman. I see where he pulls in the guilt ridden white liberal fools and dumb ass kids by promising a brave new world where fountains will spray Evian water, AIDS and Cancer will be cured, everyone will have an Escalade powered by saltwater, the streets will be lined with flowers year round, all lesbians and gayblades will find their soulmates and he will personally perform the marriage ritual for each and every one of them, little minority kids will be able to get great jobs without even having to go to school, the sun will shine everyday without drying out the grass and flowers, it will only snow at the ski resorts, the brothers and sisters of the Middle East will provide us with all of the oil we want for cost, the flying car will be on the showroom floor soon, the special Jetson's food prep machine will become a reality and we won't ever have to cook again, resorts will open on the Moon and Mars, Atlantis will resurface and will be an American territory, everyone on the planet will become American citizens and will qualify for free grant money, we will all get new homes that are so efficient that they will give back energy to the grid........ oh and by the way, whitey is going to pay for it all.

manu1959
01-08-2008, 11:54 PM
he is a great orator........as for substance.....eye of the beholder....


I find Obama very unconvincing, no better than a used car salesman. I see where he pulls in the guilt ridden white liberal fools and dumb ass kids by promising a brave new world where fountains will spray Evian water, AIDS and Cancer will be cured, everyone will have an Escalade powered by saltwater, the streets will be lined with flowers year round, all lesbians and gayblades will find their soulmates and he will personally perform the marriage ritual for each and every one of them, little minority kids will be able to get great jobs without even having to go to school, the sun will shine everyday without drying out the grass and flowers, it will only snow at the ski resorts, the brothers and sisters of the Middle East will provide us with all of the oil we want for cost, the flying car will be on the showroom floor soon, the special Jetson's food prep machine will become a reality and we won't ever have to cook again, resorts will open on the Moon and Mars, Atlantis will resurface and will be an American territory, everyone on the planet will become American citizens and will qualify for free grant money, we will all get new homes that are so efficient that they will give back energy to the grid........ oh and by the way, whitey is going to pay for it all.

Sitarro
01-09-2008, 12:20 AM
he is a great orator........as for substance.....eye of the beholder....

He can perform a speech, he has been a lecturer for some time. I am always turned off by the Martin Luther King/ Jesse Jackson crap that he eventually falls back into no matter how much he tries to sound like a distinguished white boy when he starts the speech.

He does get the people susceptible to empty promises, with no way to pay for them, turned on....... I'll give him that much.

manu1959
01-09-2008, 12:23 AM
He can perform a speech, he has been a lecturer for some time. I am always turned off by the Martin Luther King/ Jesse Jackson crap that he eventually falls back into no matter how much he tries to sound like a distinguished white boy when he starts the speech.

He does get the people susceptible to empty promises, with no way to pay for them, turned on....... I'll give him that much.

he reminds me of mlk's speeches.....lots of rehtoric not many facts.....sounds good though.....

Sitarro
01-09-2008, 01:01 AM
he reminds me of mlk's speeches.....lots of rehtoric not many facts.....sounds good though.....

Yes, he has that familiar sound for all of us old enough to remember that guy that the media and the black community has turned into a God. I was never impressed with him, I saw nothing much more than I see in Jackson, Sharpton or now Obama...... self serving, race baiters at best.

The idea of Hail To The Chief" and "The Star Spangled Banner" being turned into hip hop rhymes makes me physically ill................... he he he, got that one in..... he he.:laugh2::laugh2:

Yurt
01-09-2008, 01:40 AM
all i can say is obama is a natural leader and a natural orator.....he will draw a lot of followers.....

those qualities in and of themselves do not make make a good president. one could say bill had all that and a bag of fries, but he was more experienced than obama. besides, we live in different times now, shrillery may be a biotch and a socialist, but if shit hit the fan in this country, shrillery would go to war, obama would smile and orate

nevadamedic
01-09-2008, 01:59 AM
actually true leadership requires no action only the ability to inspire others to make things happen....

jfk did it......clinton did it.....reagan did it....fdr did it....

What about Carter? Oh wait he did nothing in every sense except make this country worse. As far as JFK, look how far that got him. :laugh2:

Sitarro
01-09-2008, 02:02 AM
What about Carter? Oh wait he did nothing in every sense except make this country worse. As far as JFK, look how far that got him. :laugh2:

That is true, Obama's running mate is probably more important than Obama himself. Imagine getting stuck with that faggot Edwards?

nevadamedic
01-09-2008, 02:05 AM
That is true, Obama's running mate is probably more important than Obama himself. Imagine getting stuck with that faggot Edwards?

Imagine getting stuck with any of those asswads. The only one I would actually fear being my Vice President is Clinton as she would have me wacked and made to look like a suicide(What the Clintons are famous for) so she could become President.

Abbey Marie
01-09-2008, 11:51 AM
those qualities in and of themselves do not make make a good president. one could say bill had all that and a bag of fries, but he was more experienced than obama. besides, we live in different times now, shrillery may be a biotch and a socialist, but if shit hit the fan in this country, shrillery would go to war, obama would smile and orate

I agree with you, Yurt, about Hillary and war. As much as I would have to hold my nose, I'd take Hillary over the other two knuckleheads. I think they are even more dangerous to this country than she would be. And for that matter, I'd even take Obama over Edwards. That guy really makes my skin crawl.

Pale Rider
01-09-2008, 12:55 PM
Yeah.... ole obama... the magic negro.... the boy sure can lay down a rap.... what good is it? He's about as shallow as a day old rain puddle. I think his following is made up mainly of people that are easily swayed by window dressing. The guy is a virtual fraud. An empty basket. He's full of hot air and perfume, I'll give you that. But take that away and he's not much more than a common grifter. He knows nothing of how to be the President of the United States, and I believe would do grave damage to this country if ever elected.

Trigg
01-09-2008, 01:26 PM
Obama is a very good public speaker, but if you listen to what he says, he isn't saying anything of substance.

He's for hope and change. But, I've never heard him say how he's going to change anything. I have yet to hear what his ideas are for this country or how he plans to impliment them. What has the man done except win a position and then not even do that job.

As soon as he was elected he started campaining for the presidency. If I were the people in his state, I'd be pissed that he's not in Washington doing his job.

nevadamedic
01-10-2008, 12:28 AM
Yeah.... ole obama... the magic negro.... the boy sure can lay down a rap.... what good is it? He's about as shallow as a day old rain puddle. I think his following is made up mainly of people that are easily swayed by window dressing. The guy is a virtual fraud. An empty basket. He's full of hot air and perfume, I'll give you that. But take that away and he's not much more than a common grifter. He knows nothing of how to be the President of the United States, and I believe would do grave damage to this country if ever elected.

You left out Muslim sympathizer.

red states rule
01-12-2008, 08:18 AM
CNN is now playing the race card


CNN Wonders If ‘Racial Undercurrents’ Will Stop Obama’s Success
By Matthew Balan | January 11, 2008 - 19:11 ET
Taking a page out of Chris Cuomo’s play book on covering Barack Obama and race, CNN’s Carol Costello on Friday’s "The Situation Room" speculated whether Obama can continue to get whites to vote for him, or whether his second-place finish in the New Hampshire primary points to "the undercurrent about race that exists in this country."

Costello repeated a theory proposed by Andrew Kohut of the Pew Research Center, that Hillary Clinton’s victory could be partially attributed to "poor, uneducated whites who don't participate in polls and who often don't vote for blacks." She also pointed out the fact that there are nine female governors, but only one black governor in the United States; as well as the fact that there are 16 female senators, but Barack Obama is the only black in the Senate.

For a bit of historical perspective, Costello brought up the so-called "Bradley Effect," named after Tom Bradley, a black Democratic candidate for governor in California in 1982, who lost to white Republican George Deukmejian. In one of the sound bites from the report, Charles Ogletree, a black professor at Harvard Law School, named Harvey Gantt (the first black admitted to Clemson University who lost twice to Jesse Helms in senatorial elections) and Harold Ford, Jr., the former representative from Tennessee, as possible victims of the "Bradley Effect."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/01/11/cnn-wonders-if-racial-undercurrents-will-stop-obama-s-success