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Pale Rider
01-14-2008, 01:43 AM
Democrats Say McCain Nearly Abandoned GOP



by
Bob Cusack
As published at TheHill.com

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (VT) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former Democratic lawmakers who say they were involved in the discussions.

In interviews with The Hill this month, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) and ex-Rep. Tom Downey (D-NY) said there were nearly two months of talks with the maverick lawmaker following an approach by John Weaver, McCain's chief political strategist.

Democrats had contacted Jeffords and then-Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) in the early months of 2001 about switching parties, but in McCain's case, they said, it was McCain's top strategist who came to them.

At the end of their March 31, 2001 lunch at a Chinese restaurant in Bethesda, MD, Downey said Weaver asked why Democrats hadn't asked McCain to switch parties.

Read the whole article here... (http://www.gunowners.org/mcdems.htm)

stephanie
01-14-2008, 02:28 AM
Who do the Democrats have.... that we could trade McCain out for..??

He's been more like a Democrat as it is...except on the war effort and the military..

PostmodernProphet
01-14-2008, 06:11 AM
and, as I recall, he did NOT leave.....and as I further recall, he was a strong supporter of the current Republican administration for the last seven years.......

red states rule
01-14-2008, 06:16 AM
and, as I recall, he did NOT leave.....and as I further recall, he was a strong supporter of the current Republican administration for the last seven years.......

Strong supporter of Pres Bush? With amnesity and the war yes - other then those, I think not


snip


McCain-Feingold - the most brazen frontal assault on political speech since Buckley v. Valeo.
McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.
McCain-Lieberman — the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry — through reporting, regulating, and taxing authority of greenhouse gases — in American history.
McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar since the tobacco settlement, under the rubric of a patients’ bill of rights.
McCain-Reimportantion of Drugs — a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development, not to mention consumer safety (hey Rudy, pay attention, see link).
And McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric — tax cuts for the rich, not for the middle class. The public record is full of these statements. Today, he recalls only his insistence on accompanying spending cuts.
As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.
McCain also led the Gang of 14, which prevented the Republican leadership in the Senate from mounting a rule change that would have ended the systematic use (actual and threatened) of the filibuster to prevent majority approval of judicial nominees.
And then there’s the McCain defense record.
His supporters point to essentially one policy strength, McCain’s early support for a surge and counterinsurgency. It has now evolved into McCain taking credit for forcing the president to adopt General David Petreaus’s strategy. Where’s the evidence to support such a claim?
Moreover, Iraq is an important battle in our war against the Islamo-fascist threat. But the war is a global war, and it most certainly includes the continental United States, which, after all, was struck on 9/11. How does McCain fare in that regard?
McCain-ACLU — the unprecedented granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (terrorists).
McCain has repeatedly called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo Bay and the introduction of al-Qaeda terrorists into our own prisons — despite the legal rights they would immediately gain and the burdens of managing such a dangerous population.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...Y5NTZiOGNhOGQ=

PostmodernProphet
01-14-2008, 06:28 AM
Strong supporter of Pres Bush? With amnesity and the war yes - other then those, I think not

no you don't......

red states rule
01-14-2008, 06:30 AM
no you don't......

Wow, you really countered the examples of McCain opposing the administration that I posted

Pale Rider
01-14-2008, 01:00 PM
Wow, you really countered the examples of McCain opposing the administration that I posted

McCain is enjoying his bubble mainly because people aren't truly educated as to what kind of a damn liberal loving scum bag he really is.

5stringJeff
01-14-2008, 05:54 PM
McCain is a RINO, plain and simple.

Dilloduck
01-14-2008, 06:03 PM
McCain is a RINO, plain and simple.

As is Ron Paul.

5stringJeff
01-14-2008, 06:11 PM
As is Ron Paul.

Please explain that one. Just because he's against the Iraq War doesn't make him a RINO.

Dilloduck
01-14-2008, 06:15 PM
Please explain that one. Just because he's against the Iraq War doesn't make him a RINO.

He might be conservative but he's a libertarian through and through. To this day I think he switched to the republican party for the bennies.

5stringJeff
01-14-2008, 07:00 PM
He might be conservative but he's a libertarian through and through. To this day I think he switched to the republican party for the bennies.

In my view, a small-government conservative is partially libertarian. Regardless, I'd rather have a libertarian RINO than a liberal RINO.

manu1959
01-14-2008, 07:16 PM
i would like to know who thinks the GOP has been on the right track.....thought not.....can you blame him for wanting to bail.....

avatar4321
01-14-2008, 07:18 PM
i would like to know who thinks the GOP has been on the right track.....thought not.....can you blame him for wanting to bail.....

McCain is one of the very reasons the GOP has been on the wrong track. I might not be able to blame him for wanting to bail, but I can blame him for wanting to bail because of the problems he caused.

retiredman
01-14-2008, 07:46 PM
IMHO, years from now, the Bush administration will be remembered nearly entirely for the war in Iraq...and years from now, McCain will be remembered as one of the administration's strongest supporters on that singular defining issue.

manu1959
01-14-2008, 10:28 PM
McCain is one of the very reasons the GOP has been on the wrong track. I might not be able to blame him for wanting to bail, but I can blame him for wanting to bail because of the problems he caused.

when was the last pres that defined the gop's values.......mccain wants out becaues the party wouldn't go his way.....unfortunately the left is too far left for him.....so he is leftist gop'er.....this is actually what i like about the gop there is some diveristy in their candidates.....with dem you get....socialist or socialist....

manu1959
01-14-2008, 10:30 PM
IMHO, years from now, the Bush administration will be remembered nearly entirely for the war in Iraq...and years from now, McCain will be remembered as one of the administration's strongest supporters on that singular defining issue.

true...and if iraq becomes stable he will be a genius.....and if not....he will be like johnson and nixon....

Pale Rider
01-15-2008, 01:30 AM
IMHO, years from now, the Bush administration will be remembered nearly entirely for the war in Iraq...and years from now, McCain will be remembered as one of the administration's strongest supporters on that singular defining issue.

Hmmm... I don't know. He wants to close down Gitmo, and move all those war criminals here and give them rights to sue. Then he wants to shut down certain interrogation techniques. So that's not really supporting bush completely.

The man is old and bitter with a vile temper. He needs to just go home and take his Geritol and forget all this business about ever being President, at least as a Republican. I don't think that's going to happen. Ever. Maybe he can run next time as a democrat.

nevadamedic
01-15-2008, 01:34 AM
Democrats Say McCain Nearly Abandoned GOP



by
Bob Cusack
As published at TheHill.com

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (VT) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former Democratic lawmakers who say they were involved in the discussions.

In interviews with The Hill this month, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) and ex-Rep. Tom Downey (D-NY) said there were nearly two months of talks with the maverick lawmaker following an approach by John Weaver, McCain's chief political strategist.

Democrats had contacted Jeffords and then-Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) in the early months of 2001 about switching parties, but in McCain's case, they said, it was McCain's top strategist who came to them.

At the end of their March 31, 2001 lunch at a Chinese restaurant in Bethesda, MD, Downey said Weaver asked why Democrats hadn't asked McCain to switch parties.

Read the whole article here... (http://www.gunowners.org/mcdems.htm)

It must kill you that Senator McCain is the front runner nationally and now in Nevada eh? :laugh2:

red states rule
01-15-2008, 06:10 AM
Hmmm... I don't know. He wants to close down Gitmo, and move all those war criminals here and give them rights to sue. Then he wants to shut down certain interrogation techniques. So that's not really supporting bush completely.

The man is old and bitter with a vile temper. He needs to just go home and take his Geritol and forget all this business about ever being President, at least as a Republican. I don't think that's going to happen. Ever. Maybe he can run next time as a democrat.

Maybe he will ask Hillary or Obama to be their VP. He will fit in fine with them, and Chris Matthews will give him more glowing coverage and praise on his show

Which is what McCain really wants

red states rule
01-15-2008, 06:41 AM
It must kill you that Senator McCain is the front runner nationally and now in Nevada eh? :laugh2:

What bothers me is so many liberals love McCain and keep telling us he should be our choice

Here is Lanny Davis in the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lanny-davis/clintonmccain-vs-obama_b_81418.html

Pale Rider
01-15-2008, 11:26 AM
It must kill you that Senator McCain is the front runner nationally and now in Nevada eh? :laugh2:

Sorry nm, but Mit Romney is the front runner, and Ron Paul is better liked in Nevada in than mccain.

Pale Rider
01-20-2008, 05:09 PM
"Bump"... another great example of McLame being a liberal.

red states rule
01-23-2008, 05:57 AM
"Bump"... another great example of McLame being a liberal.

Here is another

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Why McCain Needs to Be Stopped
By Robert Tracinski


The voters who support McCain over Giuliani are making a dangerously short-sighted trade. McCain is a suicidal choice for Republicans, because on every issue other than the war, he stands for capitulation to the left.

There are three big domestic issues that will be decided by the 2008 election: socialized medicine, higher taxes, and global warming regulations. The Democrats are in favor of all three--and John McCain won't stop them.

On health care, McCain has attacked pharmaceutical companies as "bad guys" who are using corrupt political influence to profit at the expense of the little guy--campaign rhetoric borrowed straight from one of John Edwards's "two Americas" tirades. McCain uses this rhetoric to support the re-importation of prescription drugs from Canada. The drugs are cheaper in Canada, but that's because Canada has a system of socialized medicine that imposes price controls. So importing drugs from Canada is just an indirect way of importing socialist price controls.

But every student of economics knows that price controls tend to choke off the supply of new drugs. Why should pharmaceutical companies invest billions of dollars in research and testing over a period of decades, if the government is going to steal their profits by dictating arbitrary prices?

Apparently, John McCain doesn't understand free-market economics and won't stand up for the principle of economic freedom. So how is he supposed to stand up to the Democrats on any part of their socialized medicine agenda?

In addition to fighting the Democrats on socialized medicine, a Republican president would also have to fight in Congress for the extension of President Bush's tax cuts, which are set to begin expiring in 2009 and 2010. A failure to extend these tax cuts (or to make them permanent) would mean a massive de facto tax increase. Yet McCain was opposed to the Bush tax cuts when they were first passed.

But the biggest problem for Republicans with McCain's candidacy is his stance on global warming. McCain has been an active promoter of the global warming hysteria--for which he has been lauded by radical environmentalists--and he is a co-sponsor of a leftist scheme for energy rationing. The McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act would impose an arbitrary cap on America's main sources of energy production, to be enforced by a huge network of federal taxes and regulations.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/who_will_stop_mccain.html

Pale Rider
03-02-2008, 02:31 AM
Here is another

snip


Why McCain Needs to Be Stopped
By Robert Tracinski


The voters who support McCain over Giuliani are making a dangerously short-sighted trade. McCain is a suicidal choice for Republicans, because on every issue other than the war, he stands for capitulation to the left.

There are three big domestic issues that will be decided by the 2008 election: socialized medicine, higher taxes, and global warming regulations. The Democrats are in favor of all three--and John McCain won't stop them.

On health care, McCain has attacked pharmaceutical companies as "bad guys" who are using corrupt political influence to profit at the expense of the little guy--campaign rhetoric borrowed straight from one of John Edwards's "two Americas" tirades. McCain uses this rhetoric to support the re-importation of prescription drugs from Canada. The drugs are cheaper in Canada, but that's because Canada has a system of socialized medicine that imposes price controls. So importing drugs from Canada is just an indirect way of importing socialist price controls.

But every student of economics knows that price controls tend to choke off the supply of new drugs. Why should pharmaceutical companies invest billions of dollars in research and testing over a period of decades, if the government is going to steal their profits by dictating arbitrary prices?

Apparently, John McCain doesn't understand free-market economics and won't stand up for the principle of economic freedom. So how is he supposed to stand up to the Democrats on any part of their socialized medicine agenda?

In addition to fighting the Democrats on socialized medicine, a Republican president would also have to fight in Congress for the extension of President Bush's tax cuts, which are set to begin expiring in 2009 and 2010. A failure to extend these tax cuts (or to make them permanent) would mean a massive de facto tax increase. Yet McCain was opposed to the Bush tax cuts when they were first passed.

But the biggest problem for Republicans with McCain's candidacy is his stance on global warming. McCain has been an active promoter of the global warming hysteria--for which he has been lauded by radical environmentalists--and he is a co-sponsor of a leftist scheme for energy rationing. The McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act would impose an arbitrary cap on America's main sources of energy production, to be enforced by a huge network of federal taxes and regulations.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/who_will_stop_mccain.html

Not a pretty sight. The repubs really fucked themselves this year...

krisy
03-02-2008, 09:25 AM
I am really not feeling great about this election. This is the first time that I don't care a whole lot for the Republican nominee. I liked McCain way back when he was going against Bush for the nomination. I did like Bush better tho and voted for him. McCain lost me when he proceeded to have a four year tantrum over not getting the nomination. From what I understand,that is when his voting record became more Liberal.

At the same time,I feel like not voting isn't a good idea,and voting for someone that cannot win is just a vote for Hillary or Obama. We talk about this all the time at family gatherings and even tho none of us are crazy about McCain,we have all decided to throw our vote his way trying to look at the better side of him. He is pro life,and I think would be strong on the war on terror. This is just really tough. I can't stand how back and forth he has been and I do realy feel that it was just a big temper tantrum to punish Republicans for not giving him the nimonation.

Dilloduck
03-02-2008, 10:07 AM
I am really not feeling great about this election. This is the first time that I don't care a whole lot for the Republican nominee. I liked McCain way back when he was going against Bush for the nomination. I did like Bush better tho and voted for him. McCain lost me when he proceeded to have a four year tantrum over not getting the nomination. From what I understand,that is when his voting record became more Liberal.

At the same time,I feel like not voting isn't a good idea,and voting for someone that cannot win is just a vote for Hillary or Obama. We talk about this all the time at family gatherings and even tho none of us are crazy about McCain,we have all decided to throw our vote his way trying to look at the better side of him. He is pro life,and I think would be strong on the war on terror. This is just really tough. I can't stand how back and forth he has been and I do realy feel that it was just a big temper tantrum to punish Republicans for not giving him the nimonation.

We're screwed for the next 4 years whoever gets elected and it may be time to think towards 2012. What kind of impression will any of these candidates leave Americans with when 2012 rolls around and will they really radically change anything ?

Pale Rider
03-07-2008, 01:48 PM
It appears that our mccain campaign team cheer leaders are conveniently ignoring all these threads, even to the point of trying to lie about them, all while here's the shit right here.

What a couple of winners.

PostmodernProphet
03-07-2008, 04:09 PM
the shit right here

at least you've posted one true thing today......

The Reverend
03-07-2008, 06:50 PM
Democrats Say McCain Nearly Abandoned GOP



by
Bob Cusack
As published at TheHill.com

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (VT) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former Democratic lawmakers who say they were involved in the discussions.

In interviews with The Hill this month, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) and ex-Rep. Tom Downey (D-NY) said there were nearly two months of talks with the maverick lawmaker following an approach by John Weaver, McCain's chief political strategist.

Democrats had contacted Jeffords and then-Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) in the early months of 2001 about switching parties, but in McCain's case, they said, it was McCain's top strategist who came to them.

At the end of their March 31, 2001 lunch at a Chinese restaurant in Bethesda, MD, Downey said Weaver asked why Democrats hadn't asked McCain to switch parties.

Read the whole article here... (http://www.gunowners.org/mcdems.htm)
You actually believe the Democrats now that is funny. Democrats also say Reagan was a Liberal, the terrorists are not a thread, higher taxes better, universal healthcare is needed and etc, do you believe them on these as well or do you just pick and choose?

Pale Rider
03-08-2008, 09:02 PM
You actually believe the Democrats now that is funny. Democrats also say Reagan was a Liberal, the terrorists are not a thread, higher taxes better, universal healthcare is needed and etc, do you believe them on these as well or do you just pick and choose?

Why would a democrat lie about mclame? He's their best friend.

The Reverend
03-08-2008, 11:14 PM
Not even close PR, not even close.

More stories with no proof to back it up.

Age must be getting to you old man. Senility setting in.

Pale Rider
03-09-2008, 03:34 AM
Not even close PR, not even close.

More stories with no proof to back it up.

Age must be getting to you old man. Senility setting in.

And here I thought we were going to knock off the shit talk and.... guess not aye punk?

Well... I gave you the choice... you threw it in the tiolet.

Maybe someday you'll grow up and get the dogs cock out of your mouth... but not today... you've got to get over that bed wetting first aye dough boy.

The Reverend
03-09-2008, 02:44 PM
I Love it that when YOU start the insults and attacks it is OK but when you get some of the same you can't handle it.

Everyone of your posts is shit talk.

You have some real unhealthy infatuation with homosexuality.
Is there something we need to know about you. It's ok you can come out of the closet, your choice of lifestyles will not affect our opinion of you.

Pale Rider
03-09-2008, 02:56 PM
I Love it that when YOU start the insults and attacks it is OK but when you get some of the same you can't handle it.

Everyone of your posts is shit talk.

You have some real unhealthy infatuation with homosexuality.
Is there something we need to know about you. It's ok you can come out of the closet, your choice of lifestyles will not affect our opinion of you.

Show me where "I started it." Back it up.

The Reverend
03-09-2008, 04:53 PM
Show me where "I started it." Back it up.

OK

Your first post to me


I don't know who is supposed to buy that shit, but that's about as big of a lie that's ever been told. mcillegal was, is, and hasn't denied yet that he's all about giving ALL the illegal aliens amnesty. He even hired this "mexico first" dick head named juan hernandez to help run his campaign.

So whoever wrote up your list, they're fucking cracked.

juan mcamnesty - "is pro illegal alien."
juan mcamnesty - "is a maverick."
juan mcamnesty - "likes to stick it to his own party."
juan mcamnesty - "is the most hated senator by his own party."
juan mcamnesty - "will never get the conservative vote."
juan mcamnesty - "is a RINO."
Then you followed by a PM insulting me.

The Reverend
03-09-2008, 04:54 PM
I posted an article the you responded by insulting.

Pale Rider
03-10-2008, 04:28 PM
OK

Your first post to me


Then you followed by a PM insulting me.

My post on the board has absolutely NOTHING in it that is insulting to "YOU PERSONALLY."

The PM you say I sent you... you're a damn liar.

Yurt
03-10-2008, 04:46 PM
I Love it that when YOU start the insults and attacks it is OK but when you get some of the same you can't handle it.

Everyone of your posts is shit talk.

You have some real unhealthy infatuation with homosexuality.
Is there something we need to know about you. It's ok you can come out of the closet, your choice of lifestyles will not affect our opinion of you.

every single post?

do you have a shittalker plank in your eye "rev'nd"

The Reverend
03-10-2008, 06:01 PM
My post on the board has absolutely NOTHING in it that is insulting to "YOU PERSONALLY."

The PM you say I sent you... you're a damn liar.
I m not a liar, you sent me rep that was flaming. My first post likewise was not insulting. Neither was me saying you were wrong.
AFTER I said you were wrong this was the post you posted



Yes, the bill was amnesty. You have your head up your ass if you think it wasn't. Under this bill ALL illegal aliens NEVER HAD TO LEAVE. They would have been able to stay in this country FOREVER.... and that, son, is AMNESTY.



Forth, you're full of shit. His voting record and efforts at numbersusa.com (http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez2008.html) in reference to illegal aliens is "ABYSMUL."


Fifth, how much bull shit do you intend to try and spread in one post? You going for a record? You have to have been living under a fucking ROCK if you think mccain has gotten the conservative vote. "I" am a conservative, and he sure the FUCK doesn't have my vote, so that blows your little opinion right out of the water.


Not a good way to start here cherry. Your sass can get you in a lot of trouble is all you want to do is act like a junior high schooler and call names.


And I suppose al frankan on air America is your hero?
.
THAT was where you started this shit.

every single post?

do you have a shittalker plank in your eye "rev'nd"
Every post to me.

No plank I know I am talking shit to PR in response to his shit talking to me.

Pale Rider
03-10-2008, 10:03 PM
I m not a liar, you sent me rep that was flaming. My first post likewise was not insulting. Neither was me saying you were wrong.
AFTER I said you were wrong this was the post you posted

THAT was where you started this shit.

Every post to me.

No plank I know I am talking shit to PR in response to his shit talking to me.

You might as well have on the little pleated skirt and dance around with pom poms the way you chant 'you rah rah for mcamnesty', and much of what you've posted about mcamnesty "IS" *BULLSHIT*, especially the garbage about he's changed his position on illegals. Tell me... did he do that before or after he hired that "mexico first" La Raza gas bag juan hernandez?

That's why you got a strong reply. mcamnesty has NOT changed his mind about illegals. Purporting that he has is a sons a bitchin LIE! You just waltzing around the board in your little cheer leader skirt shaking your pom poms for mcamnesty is just a damn joke.

Keep it real, and we won't have these problems.

PostmodernProphet
03-10-2008, 10:49 PM
I'm puzzled, Pale.....is there a particular reason you are unable to post something about McCain without lying your ass off?......

The Reverend
03-11-2008, 05:49 AM
You might as well have on the little pleated skirt and dance around with pom poms the way you chant 'you rah rah for mcamnesty', and much of what you've posted about mcamnesty "IS" *BULLSHIT*, especially the garbage about he's changed his position on illegals. Tell me... did he do that before or after he hired that "mexico first" La Raza gas bag juan hernandez?

That's why you got a strong reply. mcamnesty has NOT changed his mind about illegals. Purporting that he has is a sons a bitchin LIE! You just waltzing around the board in your little cheer leader skirt shaking your pom poms for mcamnesty is just a damn joke.

Keep it real, and we won't have these problems.
The problem is that what I say about McCainis supported by fact.
You have yet to back up your claims by fact.
You want to shove your idea of McCain down everyones throat. Sorry not going to happen. Start as many threads about McCain as you want and I will be there to debunk all of them.

Glad that you finally admit that you started this tit for tat. So is being rude to newcomers your usual strategy?

Pale Rider
03-11-2008, 08:59 AM
The problem is that what I say about McCainis supported by fact.
You have yet to back up your claims by fact.
You want to shove your idea of McCain down everyones throat. Sorry not going to happen. Start as many threads about McCain as you want and I will be there to debunk all of them.

Glad that you finally admit that you started this tit for tat. So is being rude to newcomers your usual strategy?

You're still lying rev. YOU are LIAR! You ask me one specific question about mccain almost changing party's, so I posted the article, along with probably eight more speaking very specifically of all the rotten, liberal things mclame has done, and YOU IGNORED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! You're a mccain troll and a poser rev, and you don't have an ounce of my respect.

The Reverend
03-11-2008, 10:40 AM
You posted articles that say the DEMOCRATS say McCain was going to jump ship.

I don't care for your respect, in the least.

You are a democrat hack, and a liar.
You cannot back up your claims about McCain with fact.