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No_Socialism
02-18-2008, 11:15 AM
1. Obama himself attended socialist conferences in the 1980's and lectured his family after attending these conferences.

"He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the streets around here." "

Source: New York Daily News:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/01/14/2007-01-14_obamas_quiet_yrs_in_nyc_pols_rise_stuns_.html

2. Obama attended meetings with the "Chicago Democratic Socialists of America"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Red_flag_II.svg/180px-Red_flag_II.svg.png

From their website: "Our mission is to establish democratic socialism as a political force in the United States and around the world by training and mobilizing socialist activists to participate in a vibrant and diverse socialist organization at both the local and the national level."

In 1996 Barack Obama attended one of their meetings:

"Over three hundred people attended the first of two Town Meetings on Economic Insecurity on February 25 in Ida Noyes Hall at the University of Chicago. Entitled "Employment and Survival in Urban America", the meeting was sponsored by the UofC DSA Youth Section, Chicago DSA and University Democrats. The panelists were Toni Preckwinkle, Alderman of Chicago's 4th Ward; Barack Obama, candidate for the 13th Illinois Senate District; Professor William Julius Wilson, Center for the Study of Urban Inequality at the University of Chicago; Professor Michael Dawson, University of Chicago; and Professor Joseph Schwartz, Temple University and a member of DSA's National Political Committee."

"A true welfare system would provide for medical care, child care and job training. While Barack Obama did not use this term, it sounded very much like the "social wage" approach used by many social democratic labor parties. "

Source: Chicago Democratic Socialists Website:
http://www.chicagodsa.org/index.html
http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.htmlhttp://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html

3. Obama Endorses Bernie Sanders, the only openly socialist senator in the US Senate.

Obama endorsing Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlIpOkRh2A

"Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Source: Obama Himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlIpOkRh2A


4. Obama Speaks at Socialist Leader Saul Mendelson's Funderal

From the Chicago DSA Website: "Saul Mendelson - You joined the Socialist movement at the age of 18. You chaired the Socialist Club at the University of Chicago. You taught and inspired students at DuSable High School. You fought in the civil rights struggles with the NAACP, with CORE, and with the Negro American Labor Council. You have held fast to your belief in democratic socialism."

"At the memorial service held at the 1st Unitarian Church on South Woodlawn, speaker after speaker recounted Saul's contributions. The service was ably MC'd by a retired colleague, Bob Clark. I spoke first and was followed by Saul's friend Deborah Meier, a MacArthur Genius Grant recipient who is now starting a new school in Boston. Amy Isaacs, National Director of the ADA, spoke of what Saul had meant on foreign affairs to the ADA. Other speakers included Senator Carol Moseley Braun, Alderman Toni Preckwinkle, State Senator Barak Obama, Illinois House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie and a good friend from New York, Myra Russell. The concluding remarks were made by an old friend, Harriet Lefley, who is now Professor of Psychology at the University of Miami Medical School."

Source: Chicago Democratic Socialists Website:
http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng58.html#anchor868634

5. The Chicago Democratic Socialists Endorsed Obama

Chicago DSA Endorsements in the March 19th Primary Election

Barack Obama

Source: Chicago Democratic Socialists Website:
http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html

6. Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Other Obama supporters "Che" Sympathizers

For those of you who don't know who Che Guervara is:

"Guevara later served as Minister of Industries, in which post he helped formulate Cuban socialism"
"Guevara played a key role in bringing to Cuba the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. During an interview with the British newspaper Daily Worker some weeks later, he stated that, if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them against major U.S. cities."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama-che.jpg
http://lonestartimes.com/images/2008/02/marisa-and-barack.JPG

Many Obama supporters on his website see "Che" as a hero:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/CjjF
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/CjjF
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGJKjv
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGB5hc
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/CLmp
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGGMQB
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gG5SSr
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/marisela/BV3
http://illinois.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/CC8v
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gYQqz
http://nevada.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGVCjm
http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/IowaHQ/CJQ3
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGNXhB
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGv3LW

Source: Lone Star Times:
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/13/ocf2/

7. Obama Wants to Normalize Relations with Communist/Socialist Cuba

Source: Obama Himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqO37BBhCqY
(This pizzed off a lot of Cuban Americans that fled from Communist Cuba)

8. Obama's mother attended classes in high school where there was a member of the Communist party on the school board. 2 teachers that highly influenced her life taught about Communism and Marxism.

"In 1955, the chairman of the Mercer Island school board, John Stenhouse, testified before the House Un-American Activities Subcommittee that he had been a member of the Communist Party.
At Mercer High School, two teachers -- Val Foubert and Jim Wichterman -- generated regular parental thunderstorms"
""I had them read 'The Communist Manifesto,' and the parents went nuts," said Wichterman"
"For Stanley Ann, the teachings of Foubert and Wichterman provided an intellectual stimulant"

"Obama called his mother "the dominant figure in my formative years. . . . The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics."

Source: Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0703270151mar27,0,5157609.story?page=1

MORE ABOUT DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS (The Group that Obama Had Ties to in Chicago):

In its broadest sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring about socialism through peaceful democratic means as opposed to violent insurrection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Social democracy is a political ideology that emerged in the late 19th century out of the socialist movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

In general, contemporary social democrats support:

* A mixed economy consisting mainly of private enterprise, but with government owned or subsidized programs of education, healthcare, child care and related services for all citizens.
* Government bodies that regulate private enterprise in the interests of workers, consumers and fair competition.
* Advocacy of fair trade over free trade.
* An extensive system of social security (although usually not to the extent advocated by democratic socialists or other socialist groups), with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, unemployment or retirement.
* Moderate to high levels of taxation (through a value-added and/or progressive taxation system) to fund government expenditure.

Social democrats also tend to support:

* Environmental protection laws (although not always to the extent advocated by Greens), such as combating global warming and increasing alternative energy funding.
* Support for immigration and multiculturalism.
* A secular and progressive social policy, although this varies markedly in degree. Most social democrats support gay marriage and abortion rights.
* A foreign policy supporting the promotion of democracy, the protection of human rights and where possible, effective multilateralism.
* As well as human rights, social democrats also support social rights, civil rights and civil liberties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs13/300W/f/2007/042/e/d/Socialism_by_miniamericanflags.jpg

OBAMA POLICIES (BABY STEPS TOWARDS SOCIALISM?)


1. Obama wants to roll back Bush tax cuts and raise taxes even though we are being taxed nearly 600% higher than we were 100 years ago


Year - Tax Burden

1900 5.90%
1910 5.02%
1920 11.96%
1930 11.61%
1940 17.98%
1950 24.87%
1960 27.88%
1970 29.90%
1980 30.68%
1990 30.80%
2000 33.98%
2001 33.01%
2002 30.27%
2003 29.51%
2004 29.69%
2005 31.53%
2006 32.29%
2007 32.69%

Source: Office of Management and Budget; Internal Revenue Service; Congressional Research Service; National Bureau of Economic Research; Tax Foundation.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/

2. Obama's Voting Record:

Barak Obama:

Strongly supports an increase in taxes for the wealthiest Americans
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts
Voted NO on permanently repealing "death tax."
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
Strongly opposes the reduction of taxes on capital gains
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains and dividends
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends
Supports universal health care which provides access to health care regardless of ability to pay.
Supports increased government spending on health care.
http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/barack-obama/11/

Limit benefits given to recipients if they have additional children while on welfare? Barak Obama: NO
Eliminate government-funded welfare programs? Barak Obama: NO
http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=9490

3. Obama wants Universal Healthcare (Socialized Medicine):

Obama says that his healthcare plan would cost $50-$65 billion per year. However, he also says that he will have "universal healthcare" by the end of his 1st term and he does NOT attach a cost to that that I have seen.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/385287,051407obama.article

"Health care spending is 4.3 times the amount spent on national defense"
http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml

About Obama's Plan: the "costs would be staggering."
- Health Care Expert Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/01/experts_doubt_obamas_healthcar.html

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/mgabriel_2007/obamasoc.jpg


Obama gets an endorsement from the "Communist Party USA"

"Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election."
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/858/1/39/

Criticisms of socialism

# 1 Reduced prosperity
# 2 Distorted or absent price signals
# 3 Reduced incentives for workers
# 4 Slow or stagnant technological advance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism

No_Socialism
02-18-2008, 12:53 PM
Reagan video of him warning of socialized medicine and socialism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

diuretic
02-18-2008, 02:50 PM
Freakily obsesssive.

DrJohn
02-18-2008, 03:30 PM
So you're saying that we should vote for Clinton?

No_Socialism
02-18-2008, 04:44 PM
So you're saying that we should vote for Clinton?

Clinton also supports socialized medicine. Reagan had some strong warnings about that (from my earlier post)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

I say vote for someone who will not raise taxes, not garnish your wages, and will not implement socialized medicine.

And of course if any candidate has close ties to the socialist party or endorses socialist candidates that should be a major concern.

DragonStryk72
02-18-2008, 04:55 PM
well then, you also can't vote for anyone who supports the current tax system, which would include McCain.

"Progressive income tax is the foundation of a communist society" -Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto

No_Socialism
02-18-2008, 04:59 PM
well then, you also can't vote for anyone who supports the current tax system, which would include McCain.

"Progressive income tax is the foundation of a communist society" -Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto

At least McCain is promising NOT to raise taxes or make the system MORE progressive. I don't like the progressive tax system either. I like the fair tax.

While it is true that McCain won't move things away from a progressive tax, at least he will not make it worse (more progressive and higher).

Dilloduck
02-18-2008, 06:37 PM
At least McCain is promising NOT to raise taxes or make the system MORE progressive. I don't like the progressive tax system either. I like the fair tax.

While it is true that McCain won't move things away from a progressive tax, at least he will not make it worse (more progressive and higher).

Just tell us who to vote for and get it over with. I don't think there are a mess of people here just dying to vote for a socialist.

No_Socialism
02-18-2008, 06:45 PM
Just tell us who to vote for and get it over with. I don't think there are a mess of people here just dying to vote for a socialist.

As far as taxation and "heading towards socialism" goes, Huckabee, Ron Paul, and even McCain are all better choices than Obama or Clinton. At this point it looks like McCain is the only one who will have a chance of beating Obama or Hillary so that's who I'll have to vote for. McCain is basically keeping the status quo as far as taxation goes (but he did say that he would want a bill that would require a 2/3 majority in congress before raising taxes). Huckabee and Ron Paul propose less progressive tax systems but they pretty much have no shot...

So to answer your question, I will be voting for McCain although he wasn't my 1st (or 2nd or 3rd) choice in the primaries.

Dilloduck
02-18-2008, 06:55 PM
As far as taxation and "heading towards socialism" goes, Huckabee, Ron Paul, and even McCain are all better choices than Obama or Clinton. At this point it looks like McCain is the only one who will have a chance of beating Obama or Hillary so that's who I'll have to vote for. McCain is basically keeping the status quo as far as taxation goes (but he did say that he would want a bill that would require a 2/3 majority in congress before raising taxes). Huckabee and Ron Paul propose less progressive tax systems but they pretty much have no shot...

So to answer your question, I will be voting for McCain although he wasn't my 1st (or 2nd or 3rd) choice in the primaries.

I have voted for the lesser of two evils for the last time. These candidates suck and it's embarassing to watch them pander.

Gaffer
02-18-2008, 06:57 PM
I'm with Dillo I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils any more.

No_Socialism
02-18-2008, 10:59 PM
I have voted for the lesser of two evils for the last time. These candidates suck and it's embarassing to watch them pander.

Ya I'm not doing cartwheels about voting for McCain but I'll do anything to keep the agenda of socialism out of the white house.

Hayduke
02-19-2008, 12:07 AM
Thanks for this good information. I feel better about Obama all the time.

Is there supposed to be a problem with Socialism? The US has had a mixed socialist economy since the 1930s, propped up now by massive military spending.

Anything wrong with this?

No_Socialism
02-19-2008, 12:34 AM
Thanks for this good information. I feel better about Obama all the time.

Is there supposed to be a problem with Socialism? The US has had a mixed socialist economy since the 1930s, propped up now by massive military spending.

Anything wrong with this?

Criticisms of socialism

# 1 Reduced prosperity
# 2 Distorted or absent price signals
# 3 Reduced incentives for workers
# 4 Slow or stagnant technological advance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism

diuretic
02-19-2008, 03:17 AM
Criticisms of socialism

# 1 Reduced prosperity
# 2 Distorted or absent price signals
# 3 Reduced incentives for workers
# 4 Slow or stagnant technological advance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism

If that's a riposte then you missed the point. The word "mixed" was in the response.

I'm pretty sure that pure socialism as an economic theory in abstract an be said to be a nice idea but a failure in practice.

Whilst the US has, I think, the least amount of socialist policies in place in the western world (where we run so-called "mixed" economies) it still hasn't gone 100% free market. That's because while, in theory, free markets are fine, in practice they fail, just like pure socialism. But they fail for different reasons. Where socialism needs the energy of the free markets, the free markets need the humanity of socialism.

Sometimes I think we're just arguing about the mix (I may have said that before).

nevadamedic
02-19-2008, 03:30 AM
Thanks for this good information. I feel better about Obama all the time.

Is there supposed to be a problem with Socialism? The US has had a mixed socialist economy since the 1930s, propped up now by massive military spending.

Anything wrong with this?

Maybe you should move to Cuba then.

bullypulpit
02-19-2008, 05:10 AM
Freakily obsesssive.

Frighteningly so. But typical of his/her ilk.

bullypulpit
02-19-2008, 05:11 AM
Criticisms of socialism

# 1 Reduced prosperity
# 2 Distorted or absent price signals
# 3 Reduced incentives for workers
# 4 Slow or stagnant technological advance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism

More in line with communism than socialism.

red states rule
02-19-2008, 06:11 AM
Frighteningly so. But typical of his/her ilk.

Yea, the nerve of anyone pointing out beliefs of a tax and spend liberal

diuretic
02-19-2008, 08:44 AM
Maybe you should move to Cuba then.

Since Fidel is probably dead that may not be the best idea right now. Waiting it out a bit to see what happens will be smart. It's a poor country, true, but it has free health care and education for every citizen. Tourism is a growing industry for Cuba and that augurs well for its economy. And when the iron fist of the state is relaxed (see previous references to the mixture of socialism and free markets) things could well improve even more for Cubans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba

Nukeman
02-19-2008, 11:18 AM
Frighteningly so. But typical of his/her ilk.
And yet you are just as obsessed with "Chimpy McPresident" to use your own term of endearment for him..... Look in the mirror for obsession!!!!!!!

Of course this is just IMHO!!!!!

No_Socialism
02-20-2008, 03:19 PM
So I'm thinking to myself... Why would the communist party endorse Obama? Reference:

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"Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election."
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/858/1/39/
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Then during his speech last night I got the answer!

Answer:


Barack Obama (2/19/2008)
And I don't know about you, but I think it's about time we made college affordable for every young person in America.

So we're going to provide a $4,000 tuition credit, every student, every year, but, students, you're going to have to give back something in return. You're going to have to participate in community service. You're going to have to work in a homeless shelter, or a veteran's home, or an underserved school, or join the Peace Corps.

So we're going to increase taxation with an even more progressive tax system and all of these students will be working for the state! No wonder the Communist Party USA loves you. Question answered...

Abbey Marie
02-20-2008, 03:33 PM
N_S, thanks for taking the time to post this fascinating information. It's rather funny to see someone called "obsessive" after just one post, isn't it? :)

No_Socialism
02-20-2008, 05:40 PM
So I'm thinking to myself... Why would the communist party endorse Obama? Reference:

-----------------------------------------------------------
"Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election."
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/858/1/39/
-----------------------------------------------------------

Then during his speech last night I got the answer!

Answer:

Barack Obama (2/19/2008)
"And I don't know about you, but I think it's about time we made college affordable for every young person in America.

So we're going to provide a $4,000 tuition credit, every student, every year, but, students, you're going to have to give back something in return. You're going to have to participate in community service. You're going to have to work in a homeless shelter, or a veteran's home, or an underserved school, or join the Peace Corps."

So we're going to increase taxation with an even more progressive tax system and all of these students will be working for the state! No wonder the Communist Party USA loves you. Question answered...

Did you guys catch this part?

EVERY STUDENT, EVERY YEAR...YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO...

This is how freedom dies!

nevadamedic
02-20-2008, 06:35 PM
Now that Castro is out the treaty we have with them is void isn't it? Doesn't that mean we can go in and kick ass and take names? :salute:

Gaffer
02-20-2008, 07:24 PM
Now that Castro is out the treaty we have with them is void isn't it? Doesn't that mean we can go in and kick ass and take names? :salute:

There has never been a treaty with cuba. Just sanctions and no trading.

Yurt
02-20-2008, 08:09 PM
Now that Castro is out the treaty we have with them is void isn't it? Doesn't that mean we can go in and kick ass and take names? :salute:

wtf? as gaffer said, no treaty.... and exactly whose ass are you thinking of kicking?

No_Socialism
02-21-2008, 02:35 PM
Article:


Obama’s Communist Mentor

AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008

Is “coalition politics” at work in Obama’s rise to power?

In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

Trevor Loudon, a New Zealand-based libertarian activist, researcher and blogger, noted evidence that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis in a posting in March of 2007.

Obama's communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency. In the latest Real Clear Politics poll average, Obama beats Republican John McCain by almost four percentage points.

AIM recently disclosed that Obama has well-documented socialist connections, which help explain why he sponsored a "Global Poverty Act" designed to send hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. foreign aid to the rest of the world, in order to meet U.N. demands. The bill has passed the House and a Senate committee, and awaits full Senate action.

But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

You won't find any of this discussed in the David Mendell book, Obama: From Promise to Power. It is typical of the superficial biographies of Obama now on the market. Secret smoking seems to be Obama's most controversial activity. At best, Mendell and the liberal media describe Obama as "left-leaning."

But you will find it briefly discussed, sort of, in Obama's own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about "a poet named Frank," who visited them in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of "hard-earned knowledge" and advice. Who was Frank? Obama only says that he had "some modest notoriety once," was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." but was now "pushing eighty." He writes about "Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self" giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.

This "Frank" is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis's career, and notes, "In Davis's case, his political commitments led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II-even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership." Tidwell is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.

Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That's not plausible since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.

Professor Gerald Horne, a contributing editor of the Communist Party journal Political Affairs, talked about it during a speech last March at the reception of the Communist Party USA archives at the Tamiment Library at New York University. The remarks are posted online under the headline, "Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party."

Horne, a history professor at the University of Houston, noted that Davis, who moved to Honolulu from Kansas in 1948 "at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson," came into contact with Barack Obama and his family and became the young man's mentor, influencing Obama's sense of identity and career moves. Robeson, of course, was the well-known black actor and singer who served as a member of the CPUSA and apologist for the old Soviet Union. Davis had known Robeson from his time in Chicago.

As Horne describes it, Davis "befriended" a "Euro-American family" that had "migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago."

It was in Chicago that Obama became a "community organizer" and came into contact with more far-left political forces, including the Democratic Socialists of America, which maintains close ties to European socialist groups and parties through the Socialist International (SI), and two former members of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), William Ayers and Carl Davidson.

The SDS laid siege to college campuses across America in the 1960s, mostly in order to protest the Vietnam War, and spawned the terrorist Weather Underground organization. Ayers was a member of the terrorist group and turned himself in to authorities in 1981. He is now a college professor and served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. Davidson is now a figure in the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, an offshoot of the old Moscow-controlled CPUSA, and helped organize the 2002 rally where Obama came out against the Iraq War.

Both communism and socialism trace their roots to Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist Manifesto, who endorsed the first meeting of the Socialist International, then called the "First International." According to Pierre Mauroy, president of the SI from 1992-1996, "It was he [Marx] who formally launched it, gave the inaugural address and devised its structure..."

Apparently unaware that Davis had been publicly named as a CPUSA member, Horne said only that Davis "was certainly in the orbit of the CP [Communist Party]-if not a member..."

In addition to Tidwell's book, Black Moods: Collected Poems of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis's Communist Party membership, another book, The New Red Negro: The Literary Left and African American Poetry, 1930-1946, names Davis as one of several black poets who continued to publish in CPUSA-supported publications after the 1939 Hitler-Stalin non-aggression pact. The author, James Edward Smethurst, associate professor of Afro-American studies at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, says that Davis, however, would later claim that he was "deeply troubled" by the pact.

While blacks such as Richard Wright left the CPUSA, it is not clear if or when Davis ever left the party.

However, Obama writes in Dreams From My Father that he saw "Frank" only a few days before he left Hawaii for college, and that Davis seemed just as radical as ever. Davis called college "An advanced degree in compromise" and warned Obama not to forget his "people" and not to "start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that #####." Davis also complained about foot problems, the result of "trying to force African feet into European shoes," Obama wrote.

For his part, Horne says that Obama's giving of credit to Davis will be important in history. "At some point in the future, a teacher will add to her syllabus Barack's memoir and instruct her students to read it alongside Frank Marshall Davis' equally affecting memoir, Living the Blues and when that day comes, I'm sure a future student will not only examine critically the Frankenstein monsters that US imperialism created in order to subdue Communist parties but will also be moved to come to this historic and wonderful archive in order to gain insight on what has befallen this complex and intriguing planet on which we reside," he said.

Dr. Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who also confirms that Davis is the "Frank" in Obama's book, did her dissertation on Davis and spent much time with him between 1972 until he passed away in 1987.

In an analysis posted online, she notes that Davis, who was a columnist for the Honolulu Record, brought "an acute sense of race relations and class struggle throughout America and the world" and that he openly discussed subjects such as American imperialism, colonialism and exploitation. She described him as a "socialist realist" who attacked the work of the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Davis, in his own writings, had said that Robeson and Harry Bridges, the head of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) and a secret member of the CPUSA, had suggested that he take a job as a columnist with the Honolulu Record "and see if I could do something for them." The ILWU was organizing workers there and Robeson's contacts were "passed on" to Davis, Takara writes.

Takara says that Davis "espoused freedom, radicalism, solidarity, labor unions, due process, peace, affirmative action, civil rights, Negro History week, and true Democracy to fight imperialism, colonialism, and white supremacy. He urged coalition politics."

Is "coalition politics" at work in Obama's rise to power?

Trevor Loudon, the New Zealand-based blogger who has been analyzing the political forces behind Obama and specializes in studying the impact of Marxist and leftist political organizations, notes that Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator's victory in the Iowa caucuses.

"Obama's victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle," Chapman wrote. "Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary ‘mole,' not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through."

Let's challenge the liberal media to report on this. Will they have the honesty and integrity to do so?

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

No_Socialism
02-21-2008, 02:42 PM
Neil Boortz also picked up on this yesterday:


OBAMA'S COMMUNIST MENTOR

If you've been listening to me for a good portion of my 38 years in talk radio, you know that I have never been one to see a Communist under every duvet. I recognized the threat of Communism, and realized that our colleges and universities were just chock full of Marxist professors. After all, where else are you going to go when you can't survive in the private sector?

There are times, though, when the "C" word should be invoked – and not just to describe Jane Fonda. One of those times would be when you have someone running for president of the United States who has shown a somewhat unusual level of interest in Communist philosophy.

Yesterday on the show, I asked the listeners to tell me what Barack Obama has actually accomplished. Not much, it seems. So now let's move on to a different idea ... Barack Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist. You've heard me mention many times that Barack Obama had an affinity to communist professors in his day. Well now it's time to get down to the nitty-gritty details of what exactly that means.

If you read the linked story you'll find that Frank Marshall Davis was a publicly identified member of the Communist Party USA. Davis, a black writer, was accused of being involved in several communist-front organizations by the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to Davis repeatedly as just "Frank" ... assumingly because Obama is not a stupid man and did not want to show the world that his mentor is a card-carrying Communist. So what does Obama tell us about Frank? Well Frank was a poet who visited his family in Hawaii. Frank was, according to Obama, "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." Frank was "his old Black Power dashiki self" who gave Obama advice on his career and his college education.

Well someone finally put two and two together ... "Frank" was the same Frank Marshall Davis, black communist writer. In March of 2007 Gerald Horne, a contributing editor of the Communist Party journal Political Affairs, made a speech at the reception of the Communist Party USA archives at the Tamiment Library at NYU. His speech was called "Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party." Here's what professor Horne (a fellow communist) had to say:

... deploring these convictions in Hawaii was an African-American poet and journalist by the name of Frank Marshall Davis, who was certainly in the orbit of the CP – if not a member – and who was born in Kansas and spent a good deal of his adult life in Chicago, before decamping to Honolulu in 1948 at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson. Eventually, he befriended another family – a Euro-American family – that had migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago. In his best selling memoir 'Dreams of my Father', the author speaks warmly of an older black poet, he identifies simply as "Frank" as being a decisive influence in helping him to find his present identity as an African-American, a people who have been the least anticommunist and the most left-leaning of any constituency in this nation – though you would never know it from reading so-called left journals of opinion.

So what do we have here? A communist helping the Democrat front runner being "a decisive influence in helping (Barack Obama) find his identity"? Curious, to say the least.

http://boortz.com/nuze/200802/02202008.html

nevadamedic
02-21-2008, 02:49 PM
There has never been a treaty with cuba. Just sanctions and no trading.

I thought we wern't allowed to touch them while Castro was in charge after the whole Cuban Missle Crisis and JFK's colossal fuck up.

stephanie
02-21-2008, 03:10 PM
The Democrat party had been completely taken over by socialist and communist,(look up the works of Saul Alinsky and see if Hillary, Bambam and Edwards weren't following his ideas), and if people don't wake up and see this, then we ARE IN FOR A WORLD OF HURT...

I'm not excusing that parts of the Republican party have also started to embrace the socialist idea either...and the people of this party better start waking up to it also...

It's up to US to kick these types out of both parties.....VOTE out these traitors to us and our freedoms in the United States..
We need to demand we keep our country free from the total control of us by our Government...

Education is going to be the key to show people this...We have a lot of work to about this, but we can do it....:cheers2:

diuretic
02-21-2008, 06:35 PM
There has never been a treaty with cuba. Just sanctions and no trading.

Cuba won't let you use Amex :D

diuretic
02-21-2008, 06:39 PM
The Democrat party had been completely taken over by socialist and communist,(look up the works of Saul Alinsky and see if Hillary, Bambam and Edwards weren't following his ideas), and if people don't wake up and see this, then we ARE IN FOR A WORLD OF HURT...

I'm not excusing that parts of the Republican party have also started to embrace the socialist idea either...and the people of this party better start waking up to it also...

It's up to US to kick these types out of both parties.....VOTE out these traitors to us and our freedoms in the United States..
We need to demand we keep our country free from the total control of us by our Government...

Education is going to be the key to show people this...We have a lot of work to about this, but we can do it....:cheers2:

stephanie - that is just so wrong. There is nothing socialist, not even mildly socialist, about the DP. They are simply less loonie capitalist than the GOP. They may LOOK socialist to those who are on the far right of the political spectrum but they're not. The DP is as intent on protecting privilege as the GOP. Saul Alinsky would spew (if he were alive of course) to have his name connected to the DP. As it is he's just looking out from my avatar frame and he's saying..."WTF????" :laugh2:

red states rule
02-22-2008, 07:23 PM
Now the DNC Times is saying $250,000/yr is "average"

Obama may think the same


NY Times’ Warped Sense of Average: $250,000 Household Income
By Nathan Burchfiel | February 22, 2008 - 18:53 ET
Perhaps the average New York Times reader makes $250,000 a year, but the average American family? Not quite.

And yet the Times, and its media colleagues, continue to feature sob stories from rich families in stories supposed to illustrate the pain the housing “crisis” is causing for middle- and lower-income families.

“Not since the Depression has a larger share of Americans owed more on their homes than they are worth,” New York Times reporters Edmund Andrews and Louis Uchitelle wrote in a February 22 article. “With the collapse of the housing boom, nearly 8.8 million homeowners, or 10.3 percent of the total, are underwater.”

In an effort to personalize the “drowning” feeling, the reporters profiled three far-from-average homeowners, including Stuart Breakstone, who recently had to cover the $65,000 he still owed on a mortgage when he sold his house. It's unfortunate, but at least Breakstones had the $65,000.

Should people, especially lower income borrowers who are struggling, feel badly for the Breakstone family? According to the Times, Breakstone is a lawyer, and his wife Lori is chief of customs agents at Memphis International Airport. Together the couple earns more than $250,000 a year. That's more than five times the U.S. median household income.

Collie Tuttle and Jane and Kevin Naus presented equally “tragic,“ yet equally unwavering scenarios. Yet another in the media’s long line of exaggerations meant to blame business and naysay the economy.

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080222164645.aspx

and

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nathan-burchfiel/2008/02/22/ny-times-warped-sense-average-250-000-household-income

stephanie
02-22-2008, 08:09 PM
Stephanie - that is just so wrong. There is nothing socialist, not even mildly socialist, about the DP. They are simply less loonie capitalist than the GOP. They may LOOK socialist to those who are on the far right of the political spectrum but they're not. The DP is as intent on protecting privilege as the GOP. Saul Alinsky would spew (if he were alive of course) to have his name connected to the DP. As it is he's just looking out from my avatar frame and he's saying..."WTF????" :laugh2:

I know you follow our politics from over there, and you have your opinion on it...
I want my freedoms that was laid out in our Constitution....And it not written in it that OUR GOVERMENT is there to give us privileges...
Maybe that's how you view government, but that is not how I see it...

I still stand by what I wrote...:cheers2:

red states rule
02-22-2008, 08:11 PM
I know you follow our politics from over there, and you have your opinion on it...
I want my freedoms that was laid out in our Constitution....And it not written in it that OUR GOVERMENT is there to give us privileges...
Maybe that's how you view government, but that is not how I see it...

I still stand by what I wrote...:cheers2:



The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
Ronald Reagan

No_Socialism
02-27-2008, 02:02 PM
Wanna see something REALLY scary?

Obama: "I will slow our development of future combat systems"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Abbey Marie
02-27-2008, 03:22 PM
Wanna see something REALLY scary?

Obama: "I will slow our development of future combat systems"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Sure is scary. There is a thread on this video on the board; check it out.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=208459&postcount=1

Pale Rider
02-27-2008, 05:44 PM
I have voted for the lesser of two evils for the last time. These candidates suck and it's embarassing to watch them pander.


I'm with Dillo I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils any more.

EXACTLY!!! I agree 1,000% with both of you. I'm done voting against someone, holding my nose, or along party lines for good. I will never vote that way again in my life. By God I'm going to vote *FOR* someone from NOW ON! And that most ASSUREDLY will NOT be HUSSEIN obama, hitlery OR mclame.

If he's nowhere on the ticket, I'll probably write in Duncan Hunter.