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Little-Acorn
02-20-2008, 02:30 PM
An interesting argument. If the courts decide there is no individual right for people to own and carry guns, does that amount to a violation of the original contract states entered into, when they joined the union?

A hundred or more years ago, everybody knew that "the right of the people" was just that, with no need for military membership or other groupthink. More recently, some gun-haters have been trying to pretend otherwise.

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http://sos.mt.gov/News/archives/2008/February/2-19-08.htm

Written by the Montana Secretary of State:

Second Amendment an individual right

The U.S. Supreme Court will soon decide D.C. v. Heller, the first case in more than 60 years in which the court will confront the meaning of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Although Heller is about the constitutionality of the D.C. handgun ban, the court's decision will have an impact far beyond the District ("Promises breached," Op-Ed, Thursday).

The court must decide in Heller whether the Second Amendment secures a right for individuals to keep and bear arms or merely grants states the power to arm their militias, the National Guard. This latter view is called the "collective rights" theory.

A collective rights decision by the court would violate the contract by which Montana entered into statehood, called the Compact With the United States and archived at Article I of the Montana Constitution. When Montana and the United States entered into this bilateral contract in 1889, the U.S. approved the right to bear arms in the Montana Constitution, guaranteeing the right of "any person" to bear arms, clearly an individual right.

There was no assertion in 1889 that the Second Amendment was susceptible to a collective rights interpretation, and the parties to the contract understood the Second Amendment to be consistent with the declared Montana constitutional right of "any person" to bear arms.

As a bedrock principle of law, a contract must be honored so as to give effect to the intent of the contracting parties. A collective rights decision by the court in Heller would invoke an era of unilaterally revisable contracts by violating the statehood contract between the United States and Montana, and many other states.

Numerous Montana lawmakers have concurred in a resolution raising this contract-violation issue. It's posted at progunleaders.org. The United States would do well to keep its contractual promise to the states that the Second Amendment secures an individual right now as it did upon execution of the statehood contract.

BRAD JOHNSON
Montana secretary of state
Helena, Mont.

DragonStryk72
02-20-2008, 03:01 PM
Won't pass, and even if it did pass, then we would be completely screwed, beacuse, then, the only ones who would have guns would be the criminals.

If you're willing to cold-bloodedly shoot someone dead, then it can be assumed that you would be willing to buy illegal firearms.

pegwinn
02-20-2008, 08:11 PM
Won't pass, and even if it did pass, then we would be completely screwed, beacuse, then, the only ones who would have guns would be the criminals.

If you're willing to cold-bloodedly shoot someone dead, then it can be assumed that you would be willing to buy illegal firearms.

I guess that means I would become a criminal overnight. Might even have to consider moving to someplace where "grizzly adams" is considered a proper name.

It would be interesting to see them try to enforce it here in Texas though.

82Marine89
02-20-2008, 08:14 PM
I guess that means I would become a criminal overnight. Might even have to consider moving to someplace where "grizzly adams" is considered a proper name.

It would be interesting to see them try to enforce it here in Texas though.

You mean it isn't a proper name? As for my weapons, they are mine, I know how to use them, and I have a large amount of ammo.

Targets and ammo... you can never have enough. :salute: