John McCain is beating both Dem candidates, Rasmussen...

[WRL]

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll


Sunday, February 24, 2008


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--> The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that John McCain continues to hold a very modest lead against both potential Democratic challengers. In a general election match-up, McCain now leads Barack Obama 46% to 44% and Hillary Clinton 48% to 44%. McCain has led both Democrats on each night of individual tracking since the controversial New York Times article on McCain was released earlier this week

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Republicans need to rally and support John McCain, those holding out now could really put this over the top for McCain, and would you really let petty differences, when compared to the major differences Republicans share with the two ultra Liberals running, throw this race to that rubber stamp of socialism?

John McCain has the ability to attract independents and even some distressed Democrats, who may be dismayed at the fringe candiates their party continues to nominate, and might vote McCain to send their own party a message to move to the middle, to not keep sending the most Liberal members forward.

Just because John McCain is a 'moderate' isn't a reason to dislike or not get excited for his candidacy, Lower taxes, Limited Federal Government, and Victory in Iraq, with a strong National Defense from, he has a lifetime rating of 85% from the American Conservative Union, what we need in a President is not only change, but balance in government, something Obama cannot offer. We should see this election for what it is, a race to prevent rubberstamp socialism, and re-enforce those Conservative principles.

[nevadamedic]

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll


Sunday, February 24, 2008


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--> The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that John McCain continues to hold a very modest lead against both potential Democratic challengers. In a general election match-up, McCain now leads Barack Obama 46% to 44% and Hillary Clinton 48% to 44%. McCain has led both Democrats on each night of individual tracking since the controversial New York Times article on McCain was released earlier this week

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Republicans need to rally and support John McCain, those holding out now could really put this over the top for McCain, and would you really let petty differences, when compared to the major differences Republicans share with the two ultra Liberals running, throw this race to that rubber stamp of socialism?

John McCain has the ability to attract independents and even some distressed Democrats, who may be dismayed at the fringe candiates their party continues to nominate, and might vote McCain to send their own party a message to move to the middle, to not keep sending the most Liberal members forward.

Just because John McCain is a 'moderate' isn't a reason to dislike or not get excited for his candidacy, Lower taxes, Limited Federal Government, and Victory in Iraq, with a strong National Defense from, he has a lifetime rating of 85% from the American Conservative Union, what we need in a President is not only change, but balance in government, something Obama cannot offer. We should see this election for what it is, a race to prevent rubberstamp socialism, and re-enforce those Conservative principles.

I've been saying that for a while now.

[WRL]

I love the first line in your sig...

[avatar4321]

quite frankly, I dont give a d***

[WRL]

Ok, just keeping up with the numbers, it's meaningless this far out but still could form the basis of some good debate?

[avatar4321]

Ok, just keeping up with the numbers, it's meaningless this far out but still could form the basis of some good debate?

Is there a point to debate numbers?

I've heard it said that there are three types of liars. Liars, D***ed liars and statictians.

The polls said Giuliani would be the nominee and McCain was out of the running. The polls said Clinton would walk all over Obama. Polls are one of the easiest methods for media manipulation in existance. The media "creates" a poll, finds some way to spin it to a topic they want and they can advocate that position while pretending that it's the people who want it. It's just annoying.

[WRL]

well call me a political junkie but I keep track of such things...

If this isn't good enough for ya, how about this...

This is an Obama quote from 2004 after he was in the Senate, seems he took the safe rout when it mattered as well. And after he took a strong anti war stance in a speech in 2002. Then in 2004 as a member of the Senate he couldn't say how he'd vote on the Iraq war authorization, now he's back to being naively antiwar.


when asked how he would have voted if given the chance to in the 2002 vote that authorized the war in Iraq...

"I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''

He somehow sounds a little more convincing today??? Wonder why...

[red states rule]

I've been saying that for a while now.

So what? No matter what happens we will have a pro amnesty liberal as President

[WRL]

so what? You'd take an ultra Liberal than a Conservative who's said he's learned his lesson? How can this one issue be so bad its worth throwing every other away?

[red states rule]

so what? You'd take an ultra Liberal than a Conservative who's said he's learned his lesson? How can this one issue be so bad its worth throwing every other away?

McCain is a liberal as well. Not only on illegals, but on other issues as well

McCain wants to shut down free speech via his McCain-Geingold bill

He was opposed to the Bush tax cuts

He wants to close down GOTMO and give terrorists access to the Federal Courts

He sided against pro life groups in a USSC case

Need more?

[WRL]

McCain is a liberal as well. Not only on illegals, but on other issues as well

McCain wants to shut down free speech via his McCain-Geingold bill

He was opposed to the Bush tax cuts

He wants to close down GOTMO and give terrorists access to the Federal Courts

He sided against pro life groups in a USSC case

Need more?

He's got the point on the illegal immigrant issue and said he would focus on the borders first, but you have to accept there still remains a large problem, millions of people in between is a problem.

Tax cuts: He was opposed to them for a number of reasons, not the least of which was they weren't accompanied with spending cuts. But he offered up his own tax cut plan to counter, he's been a staunch tax cutter since the Reagan tax cuts. He's even sponsored legislation to require a super-majority to raise our taxes. He's definitely better than the already promising to raise our taxes Democrats.

Where do you get that McCain will disband the tribunals, and put the terrorists into federal courts? Please link...

Abortion isn't a big issue for me, but McCain does have an 85% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

[red states rule]

He's got the point on the illegal immigrant issue and said he would focus on the borders first, but you have to accept there still remains a large problem, millions of people in between is a problem.

Tax cuts: He was opposed to them for a number of reasons, not the least of which was they weren't accompanied with spending cuts. But he offered up his own tax cut plan to counter, he's been a staunch tax cutter since the Reagan tax cuts. He's even sponsored legislation to require a super-majority to raise our taxes. He's definitely better than the already promising to raise our taxes Democrats.

Where do you get that McCain will disband the tribunals, and put the terrorists into federal courts? Please link...

Abortion isn't a big issue for me, but McCain does have an 85% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.


The US is being invaded and McCain wants to put out the Welcome mat. Illegals are killing our economy and bankrupting the US taxpayer. Not to mention the crime they commit and adding to the overcrowding of our prisions

The Bush tax cuts have generated record revenues and is gorwing the economy. McCain used the usal liberal taking point that the cuts were for the rich

McCain has said many times he would close GITMO and give terrorists access to the Federal Courts

I am sure that rating has tanked since it was last issued

McCain is a liberal. Period

[WRL]

The US is being invaded and McCain wants to put out the Welcome mat. Illegals are killing our economy and bankrupting the US taxpayer. Not to mention the crime they commit and adding to the overcrowding of our prisions

The Bush tax cuts have generated record revenues and is gorwing the economy. McCain used the usal liberal taking point that the cuts were for the rich

McCain has said many times he would close GITMO and give terrorists access to the Federal Courts

I am sure that rating has tanked since it was last issued

McCain is a liberal. Period

Invaded, this kind of rhetoric will hurt the party. There is a problem, and both sides have to accept concessions or we can just continue to bury our heads in the sand. Paying a fine, learning English, and getting at the back of the line isn't exactly a free pass.

McCain has pledged to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, this is a nonstarter. Ok, you're overlooking a long record of being pro economic growth, pro tax cut, to throw the race for who?

Um, it's a matter of the tribunals, Gitmo is a lightening rod that could well be shut down and it's functions could be preformed in a number of locations, without giving the detainees access to federal courts. It's an issue of the tribunals which McCain supports so once more please link where you say he will introduce them into the federal system?

I got that rating the other day from their website...

McCain is no Liberal, an 85% lifetime rating from the group that host's CPAC, come on...

[red states rule]

We are being invaded - it is a fact

McCaion wants to grant amnesty to the illegals while ignoring what illegals cost the US taxpayer


Illegals Costing US Taxpayers
More Than Iraq War
2-4-8

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12 The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml


Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it.

Snopes is provided for doubters:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/bankofamerica.asp

http://www.rense.com/general80/mroe.htm

[retiredman]

from the same Rasmussen article:

The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats with a 284 to 229 lead in the Electoral College. If “leaners” are not included, the Democrats lead 238 to 189.

[red states rule]

from the same Rasmussen article:

The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats with a 284 to 229 lead in the Electoral College. If “leaners” are not included, the Democrats lead 238 to 189.

It is still early

and it does not include Nader talking votes away from Obama

[retiredman]

It is still early

and it does not include Nader talking votes away from Obama

time will tell...

[WRL]

That's great you acknowledge a problem, now lets get around to the solution part...

[WRL]

time will tell...


Hello! This where you've been?

[red states rule]

That's great you acknowledge a problem, now lets get around to the solution part...

and John McAmnesty is not part of the solution

[WRL]

Ahh Barrack Obama is the answer, well then we disagree.

[red states rule]

Ahh Barrack Obama is the answer, well then we disagree.

No matter who wins in 08 - they will be for amnesty

We will have a liberal as Presdient as well

[red states rule]

More on McCain and illegals in his own words

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/07/mccain-i-respect-your-racist-nativist-position-on-immigration/

[red states rule]

McCain on GITMO and allowing terrorists acess to the Federal Courts

Military Prosecutors Ask for the Death Penalty

Pundits and politicians have given no small attention to the Guantanamo Bay combatant-detainees during the election season. The New York Times editorial board wants the prisoners charged or freed. Senator Obama wants to give them habeas corpus access to federal courts or to close Guantanamo or both. McCain wants to close Guantanamo and bring them here (which would be another way of getting the detainees into federal courts).

What we do with the detainees will profoundly impact the way we wage the War on Terror. Is it a war or a police action? And what do we do with alien unlawful combatants when we capture them? Today, the Pentagon has announced that it will seek the death penalty in military commissions to be held for six detainees who were involved in the September 11 attacks, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

The military commissions, already a sore subject for some Democrats, are about to get a great deal of scrutiny because the death penalty is back on the table. Obama and Clinton will be stumping on this all week, emphasizing the unfairness of the abridged procedures of the tribunal process.

I'm more curious to see what McCain does. He's on the record as wanting to close Guantanamo Bay and he opposes the methods used to break Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. On the other hand, he voted for the Military Commissions Act of 2006. Is he going to change his tune now that he's the Republican frontrunner? Or is he going to stand by his September 2006 vote and support the Pentagon's efforts to deal with detainees who cannot or should not be repatriated?

While we wait to see what McCain does, we shouldn't get too excited about the commissions. Although they have been authorized for over a year, only Omar Khadr and Salim Ahmed Hamdan have had hearings at the tribunals. Neither has actually reached the trial stage, despite being charged in May 2007. At this rate, we will have a new president and Congress before Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the others are tried.

http://minx.cc/?post=254466

[retiredman]

Hello! This where you've been?

here and USMB mostly.... LTNS!

[WRL]

I only tend to read credible links so...

The fact of the matter is that there are many places that could serve the function of gitmo without the lightening rod reputation that gitmo has. Do you have a credible link that John McCain wants to put the detainees in gitmo into federal courts or not?

[red states rule]

I only tend to read credible links so...

The fact of the matter is that there are many places that could serve the function of gitmo without the lightening rod reputation that gitmo has. Do you have a credible link that John McCain wants to put the detainees in gitmo into federal courts or not?

So like most MCain backers you ignore the facts about him

OK - I get it now

[WRL]

here and USMB mostly.... LTNS!

yeah it's been awhile, what happened to you and the old crew? You can pm if you want... By the time I showed up you where gone, what gives?

[WRL]

So like most MCain backers you ignore the facts about him

OK - I get it now

What are you talking about, the fact they are not on US soil directly, and that we have a tribunal system set up is keeping them out of federal courts, do you even know that?

[retiredman]

Willie: you're new here...I should probably tell you that RedStatesDrool is famous 'round these parts for his pathological proclivity to confuse OPINION and FACT!

[red states rule]

More on McCain's liberal positions

* Immigration - While most recognize that there will and must be some form of amnesty, given that the INS was only capable of deporting 200,000 in 2006 and there are an estimated 16 million illegals (you do the math as to how long it would take to deport everyone) granting amnesty at this point without securing the borders
would be suicidal.
. Granting Social Security to Illegals - Regardless of whether anyone agrees
with eventually granting Amnesty, Social Security benefits should
be off the table until after illegals become citizens or at least residents.
. Closing Gitmo - Insane!! McCain wants to close Guantanamo Bay and
bring the combatants into the federal court system. Beyond ridiculous and
completely populist. He goes so far as to advocate that terrorists have full
access to the intelligence files being used to prosecute them
. Water Boarding Terrorists - I do not believe that pouring water over
an illegal combatant (not covered by the Geneva Convention) to get vital
information on possible terrorist attacks is torture.
. Stem-cell research on human embryos - Bush was criticized for
opposing and McCain supported it. Turns out that they can now replicate
stem-cell without touching human embryos.
. Global Warming Legislation - According to McCain, the debate is
over. Of course, a very large percentage of scientists dispute the man-made
version of GW. McCain-Lieberman would start charging companies a carbon tax.
. Opposed the Bush Tax Cuts - In both 2001 and 2003 McCain opposed the
cuts because they were for "the rich". Now he wants us to believe that it
was because he wanted spending cuts to match the tax cuts. Either way it
shows a complete lack of understanding economic principles.
. Drilling in Alaska - McCain opposes drilling for oil in Alaska. I
guess that drilling in Azerbijan, Russia, Mexico and Venezuela doesn't
affect the environment. They're all nearly as close to the US and the
companies doing the drilling aren't nearly as clean as US companies have to
be.
. Terrorist Fighter - McCain wants us to believe that he is the best
terrorist fighter when he did nothing throughout the 1990's when we were
attacked 12 times. He was quick to criticize Rumsfeld but didn't say a word
to Clinton's Sec. of Def. Cohen because they are close friends. Who did more
to transform the US military? Rumsfeld or Cohen?

http://www.babalublog.com/cgi-bin/mt/pizza.cgi?entry_id=7221

[WRL]

Willie: you're new here...I should probably tell you that RedStatesDrool is famous 'round these parts for his pathological proclivity to confuse OPINION and FACT!

Well I keep asking him what his solution would be? And all I get back is links to sites it takes about two seconds to realize I probably don't need to read anything on...

I mean you have to use links to journalists who are at least held to high standards to make such claims like John McCain would allow the opportunity for terrorists to make it to US soil free. And closing gitmo would not mean that.

[retiredman]

Well I keep asking him what his solution would be? And all I get back is links to sites it takes about two seconds to realize I probably don't need to read anything on...

I mean you have to use links to journalists who are at least held to high standards to make such claims like John McCain would allow the opportunity for terrorists to make it to US soil free. And closing gitmo would not mean that.

if you ask RSR any sort of question requiring intellectual thought creation and argument formulation....you can ALWAYS expect a link in response!:laugh2:

[red states rule]

What are you talking about, the fact they are not on US soil directly, and that we have a tribunal system set up is keeping them out of federal courts, do you even know that?

McCain has said he would close GITMO and bring the terorists to the US and put in a Federal prison

[red states rule]

if you ask RSR any sort of question requiring intellectual thought creation and argument formulation....you can ALWAYS expect a link in response!:laugh2:

You guys do hate facts to get in the way of your DNC approved talking points

[retiredman]

You guys do hate facts to get in the way of your DNC approved talking points

for you to put me and WRL together as using DNC ANYTHING is really funny. I have known Willie online for at least seven years, and he is way more conservative than you'll EVER be. Hell.... YOUR favorite candidate was a cross dressing, philandering, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control new york moderate!!!!

[red states rule]

for you to put me and WRL together as using DNC ANYTHING is really funny. I have known Willie online for at least seven years, and he is way more conservative than you'll EVER be. Hell.... YOUR favorite candidate was a cross dressing, philandering, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control new york moderate!!!!

It seems he hates to see the facts about McCains liberal leanings to be pointed out. I am not calling him a liberal - but both of you do hate to see anyone post supporting evidence that goes against your arguments

[WRL]

McCain has said he would close GITMO and bring the terorists to the US and put in a Federal prison

Ok, Link Please. That would be major news so it shouldn't be hard.

Or could you be confusing the closing of gitmo to automatically mean terrorists would come to federal courts? There is already a tribunal system in place review and approved. And McCain is not going to undo it.

[retiredman]

It seems he hates to see the facts about McCains liberal leanings to be pointed out. I am not calling him a liberal - but both of you do hate to see anyone post supporting evidence that goes against your arguments


actually, Willie and I don't share very much in common at all...but we DO share the ability to discern the difference between editorials and facts.

[red states rule]

actually, Willie and I don't share very much in common at all...but we DO share the ability to discern the difference between editorials and facts.

Good

When will you guys start?

[WRL]

for you to put me and WRL together as using DNC ANYTHING is really funny. I have known Willie online for at least seven years, and he is way more conservative than you'll EVER be. Hell.... YOUR favorite candidate was a cross dressing, philandering, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control new york moderate!!!!



Yeah that's a riot there... First time I've been called a Democrat...

[red states rule]

Ok, Link Please. That would be major news so it shouldn't be hard.

Or could you be confusing the closing of gitmo to automatically mean terrorists would come to federal courts? There is already a tribunal system in place review and approved. And McCain is not going to undo it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Co7x3A12s

[WRL]

Good

When will you guys start?

seriously that is an outrageous claim, that would have been covered by any journalist making a dime, so a credible link shouldn't be so hard if you're so convinced of this.

[red states rule]

seriously that is an outrageous claim, that would have been covered by any journalist making a dime, so a credible link shouldn't be so hard if you're so convinced of this.

I posted John's own words on how he will close GITMO and bring the terrorists to the US

[retiredman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Co7x3A12s

never ONCE mentions federal courts!

typical RSR obfuscation.

[WRL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Co7x3A12s

Ok so you are mistaking the closing of gitmo for putting the terrorists in US federal courts.

Wrong.

There is already a tribunal system set up and the terrorists will be tried by military judges. The fastest way to undo that is to try and torpedo John McCain's campaign, because I wouldn't put it past Barrack Obama.

[retiredman]

I posted John's own words on how he will close GITMO and bring the terrorists to the US


putting them in a military prison does not do away with the tribunal system already in place. NOWHERE does McCain suggest that detainees would be tried in federal court. Can you understand that?

[gabosaurus]

The Gabosaurus poll finds Obama gaining 100 percent of the vote against McCain.