A question for Martin

[gabosaurus]

What is the difference between what Hitler did to the Jews and what many right-wingers want to do to the Muslims?
Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. Right-wingers blame the Muslims for everything.
Hitler zealously persecuted Jews. Right-wingers zealously persecute Muslims.
Hitler had internment camps. We have interment camps.
Hitler felt threatened by Jews. Right-wingers feel threatened by Muslims.

As someone whose ancestors were brutally persecuted and discriminated against, don't you feel a bit awkward doing the same thing to another religious group?

[nevadamedic]

What is the difference between what Hitler did to the Jews and what many right-wingers want to do to the Muslims?
Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. Right-wingers blame the Muslims for everything.
Hitler zealously persecuted Jews. Right-wingers zealously persecute Muslims.
Hitler had internment camps. We have interment camps.
Hitler felt threatened by Jews. Right-wingers feel threatened by Muslims.

As someone whose ancestors were brutally persecuted and discriminated against, don't you feel a bit awkward doing the same thing to another religious group?

We are threatened by Dune Coons (Muslims) because they are taught and trained to kill us. They have been attacking us and killing our people for years. Innocent people. They are fueled by a religion of hate and murder.

[Classact]

What is the difference between what Hitler did to the Jews and what many right-wingers want to do to the Muslims?
Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. Right-wingers blame the Muslims for everything.
Hitler zealously persecuted Jews. Right-wingers zealously persecute Muslims.
Hitler had internment camps. We have interment camps.
Hitler felt threatened by Jews. Right-wingers feel threatened by Muslims.

As someone whose ancestors were brutally persecuted and discriminated against, don't you feel a bit awkward doing the same thing to another religious group?What an ignorant anti American anti Jew statement!

Making a parallel where there is no parallel to flame a person based on religion is hateful and not worthy of debate.

You should be banned from this site!

[gabosaurus]

It's not an anti-Jew statement. It is merely a comparison.
What Hitler did to the Jews was abysmal. What we are doing to Muslims is equally abysmal.
Hitler felt threatened by a small group of Jews, and thus preached hate of the entire religion.
Right-wingers are upset at the actions of a small group of Islamic extremists, and thus preach hate of the entire religion.
Get your head on straight and answer the question.

[nevadamedic]

It's not an anti-Jew statement. It is merely a comparison.
What Hitler did to the Jews was abysmal. What we are doing to Muslims is equally abysmal.
Hitler felt threatened by a small group of Jews, and thus preached hate of the entire religion.
Right-wingers are upset at the actions of a small group of Islamic extremists, and thus preach hate of the entire religion.
Get your head on straight and answer the question.

It's more then a small group of extremists. The everyone who is a Muslim is an extremist.

[Abbey Marie]

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What Hitler did to the Jews was abysmal. What we are doing to Muslims is equally abysmal.
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Equally abysmal? Not even close, Gabby.

[Trigg]

What is the difference between what Hitler did to the Jews and what many right-wingers want to do to the Muslims?
Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. Right-wingers blame the Muslims for everything.
Hitler zealously persecuted Jews. Right-wingers zealously persecute Muslims.
Hitler had internment camps. We have interment camps.
Hitler felt threatened by Jews. Right-wingers feel threatened by Muslims.

As someone whose ancestors were brutally persecuted and discriminated against, don't you feel a bit awkward doing the same thing to another religious group?

What exactly are we doing to the Muslims??? We're not executing them, we're not deporting them from European countries, they're not going to death camps, they're not having all their wealth confiscated. So, as far as I can see there is no comparison between the two.

There is a war in a predominantly Muslim country, that doesn't mean we are at war with all Muslims, certainly not the innocent civilians that we are trying to help by getting rid of a leader who did KILL and MAIM the Kurds and anyone else who disagreed with him. A better comparison would be Saddam and Hitler.

[avatar4321]

Let's see. Hitler wanted to mass murder jews.

The right wants to convert and live in peace with muslims.

Can't imagine the difference there.

[theHawk]

It's not an anti-Jew statement. It is merely a comparison.
What Hitler did to the Jews was abysmal. What we are doing to Muslims is equally abysmal.
Hitler felt threatened by a small group of Jews, and thus preached hate of the entire religion.
Right-wingers are upset at the actions of a small group of Islamic extremists, and thus preach hate of the entire religion.
Get your head on straight and answer the question.

So you're comparing jailed individuals that were caught in the field of battle attacking our troops to innocent women and children that were rounded up gased to death. A little far fetched and its very disrespectful to all those that suffered through the Holocaust.

With your liberal logic, you could apply that same comparison to any group that "feels threatened" by another, whether its justified or not. Lets use some of your liberal logic to make further comparisons -

Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. Left-wingers blame the Bush for everything.
Hitler zealously persecuted Jews. Left-wingers zealously persecute Christian Conservatives.
Hitler had the Hitler youth. Liberals have public schools to indoctrinate the young.
Hitler felt threatened by a small group of Jews, and thus preached hate of the entire religion. Left-wingers feel threatened by a small group of conservatives, and thus preach hate of the enitre ideology.

So according to liberal logic, Left-wingers must equal the Nazis.

Wow, its fun being a liberal! :laugh2:

[gabosaurus]

It's more then a small group of extremists. The everyone who is a Muslim is an extremist.

If my kid is assaulted by a pedophile priest, am I right in blaming the entire Catholic religion? Since everyone who is Catholic supports pedophilia.

Trigg, obviously you are unaware of all the Muslims who have been forced into hiding, or who has simply "disappeared" without word or warning.
Yes, there is a war in a predominantly Muslim country. We started it.
There are much worse despots in Africa who maim, kill and starve a lot more civilians that Saddam ever did. We don't give a shit about them, because there is no political value to intervening.

[Hobbit]

Equally abysmal. Hmm, let's compare, shall we.

Number of civilian Jews killed in concentration camps - 5,709,329
Upper estimate of number of civilians killed in Iraq by all violence (not just that done by the U.S. or her allies) - 88,991, most of which resulted from suicide bombings or general Al-Qaida douchebaggery.

Number of civilian work and concentration camps built by the Nazis - 15,000+
Number of U.S. military detention facilities reserved for those caught shooting at people in a battle zone - 1

Preferred method of execution for Nazi target group (Jews) - Zyklon gas
Preferred method of execution for U.S. target group (allegedly Muslims) - unknown, as there have been 0 related executions thus far

Typical Nazi diet for interred civilians - nothing
Typical U.S. diet for interred terrorists - gourmet meals prepared in accordance with religious doctrine

Identifying mark for target Nazi group - state mandated Star of David
Identifying mark for target U.S. group - business end of an AK-47 or RPG

Modus Operandi for territories conquered by Nazis - incorporation into the German Empire followed by a Jew purge and seizing of resources
Modus Operandi for territories conquered by U.S. - stabilization, reconstruction, and autonomy

Stated goal of Nazis - a unified Europe under the direct control of Germany
Stated goal of U.S. - self-preservation and a world where all people are self-governed

Nazi treatment of worship centers for target group (tabernacles) - torn down to build something else
U.S. treatment of worship centers for target group (mosques) - left as intact as possible, including a reluctance to fire into a mosque when fired on from within that mosque

Stated attitude of Nazis towards target group (Jews) - They are to blame for all of society's ills and must be wiped out
Stated attitude of U.S. towards target group (Muslims) - Only a very small percentage of them mean us harm and the rest should be treated with the same dignity and respect shown to anyone else

I could do more, but you get the idea. Yeah, those two are exactly equal.

[manu1959]

What is the difference between what Hitler did to the Jews and what many right-wingers want to do to the Muslims?

Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. Right-wingers blame the Muslims for everything.

Hitler zealously persecuted Jews. Right-wingers zealously persecute Muslims.
Hitler had internment camps. We have interment camps.
Hitler felt threatened by Jews. Right-wingers feel threatened by Muslims.

As someone whose ancestors were brutally persecuted and discriminated against, don't you feel a bit awkward doing the same thing to another religious group?

the jews were not killing german civilians or asking them to convert or die nor threating to kill cartoonists....or cutting the heads of german reporters nor did they threaten to blow berlin of the map.....

seems to me the radical muslims are behaving more like nazis....

you know...muslims as the master race....

[Monkeybone]

If my kid is assaulted by a pedophile priest, am I right in blaming the entire Catholic religion? Since everyone who is Catholic supports pedophilia.

Trigg, obviously you are unaware of all the Muslims who have been forced into hiding, or who has simply "disappeared" without word or warning.
Yes, there is a war in a predominantly Muslim country. We started it.
There are much worse despots in Africa who maim, kill and starve a lot more civilians that Saddam ever did. We don't give a shit about them, because there is no political value to intervening.

i would personally like to know of some examples where these Mislims have been forced into hiding or simply "disappeared".

not to sound like a dick/heartless....but atleast with Africa, they keep it in Africa. not saying that all of it is right, quite the opposite.

[Gaffer]

i would personally like to know of some examples where these Mislims have been forced into hiding or simply "disappeared".

not to sound like a dick/heartless....but atleast with Africa, they keep it in Africa. not saying that all of it is right, quite the opposite.

Actually in africa it is again, muslims killing the infidels. It's black muslims using arabs to kill the non-muslims.

[actsnoblemartin]

What is the difference between what Hitler did to the Jews and what many right-wingers want to do to the Muslims?

ME: #1 The jews have been persecuted since the beginning to judaism, the muslims have been murdering, persecuting and killing non muslims and launching jihad on the world since the beginning of islam to now

Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. Right-wingers blame the Muslims for everything.

ME: Right wingers dont blame the muslims for everything, they understand that the islamic world is dominated by islamo nazi's and the moderate muslims who speak out are murdered, so many just dont speak up. I dont hear right wingers blaming muslims for the economy, gay marriage, abortion, school choice, stem cell research, so youre analogy doesnt hold water

Hitler zealously persecuted Jews. Right-wingers zealously persecute Muslims.

ME: that is simply not true, The republican party has not even suggested rounding up all muslims and putting them in interment camps, like fdr famously did

Hitler had internment camps. We have interment camps.

ME: no we dont, all japanese were put in camps in the u.s. because they were japanese, and guantanamo bay, which im assuming your argument is, has about 600 or less datainees for actual terrorist crimes.
Hitler felt threatened by Jews. Right-wingers feel threatened by Muslims.

As someone whose ancestors were brutally persecuted and discriminated against, don't you feel a bit awkward doing the same thing to another religious group?

ME: no, because muslims are not being persecuted for being muslm, they are being taken seriously as a threat because many of them cant or wont stand up to jihadists, jews were persecuted for being jews, even though they were no threat to anyone, and the fact you cant see the difference between real persecution, and standing up to a real threat shows your moral relavatism, and your lack of understanding of history, and common sense

[nevadamedic]

If my kid is assaulted by a pedophile priest, am I right in blaming the entire Catholic religion? Since everyone who is Catholic supports pedophilia.

Trigg, obviously you are unaware of all the Muslims who have been forced into hiding, or who has simply "disappeared" without word or warning.
Yes, there is a war in a predominantly Muslim country. We started it.
There are much worse despots in Africa who maim, kill and starve a lot more civilians that Saddam ever did. We don't give a shit about them, because there is no political value to intervening.

No, they started it. I know that goes against your President Bush hating agenda but oh well.

[5stringJeff]

Trigg, obviously you are unaware of all the Muslims who have been forced into hiding, or who has simply "disappeared" without word or warning.

So now there's some "Muslim Underground" because we're fighting the war on terrorism??? :link:

[actsnoblemartin]

dont hold your breath, gabby is being as irrational as a muslim after friday prayers


So now there's some "Muslim Underground" because we're fighting the war on terrorism??? :link: