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LiberalNation
02-23-2007, 08:48 AM
Good for them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

WASHINGTON - Four years ago, Congress passed legislation authorizing President Bush to go to war in Iraq. Now Senate Democrats want to take it back.

Key lawmakers, backed by party leaders, are drafting legislation that would effectively revoke the broad authority granted to the president in the days Saddam Hussein was in power, and leave U.S. troops with a limited mission as they prepare to withdraw.

Officials said Thursday the precise wording of the measure remains unsettled. One version would restrict American troops in Iraq to fighting al-Qaida, training Iraqi army and police forces, maintaining Iraq's territorial integrity and otherwise proceeding with the withdrawal of combat forces.

Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev., intends to present the proposal to fellow Democrats next week, and he is expected to try to add the measure to anti-terrorism legislation scheduled to be debated later this month. Officials who described the strategy spoke only on condition of anonymity, noting that rank-and-file senators had not yet been briefed on the details.

Republicans recently thwarted two Democratic attempts to pass a nonbinding measure through the Senate that was critical of Bush's decision to deploy an additional 21,500 combat troops.

After failing on his second attempt last Saturday, Reid said he would turn his attention to passing binding legislation.

Jim Manley, a spokesman for Reid, declined to discuss the deliberations, saying only, "No final decisions have been made on how to proceed."

Any attempt to limit Bush's powers as commander in chief would likely face strong opposition from Republican allies of the administration in the Senate. Additionally, unlike earlier, nonbinding measures, the legislation now under consideration could also face a veto threat.

Still, it marks a quickening of the challenge Democrats are mounting to Bush's war policies following midterm elections in which war-weary voters swept Republicans from power in both the House and Senate.

The emerging Senate plan differs markedly from an approach favored by critics of the war in the House, where a nonbinding measure passed last week.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) has said she expects the next challenge to Bush's war policies to come in the form of legislation requiring the Pentagon to adhere to strict training and readiness standards in the case of troops ticketed for the war zone.

Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record), D-Pa., the leading advocate of that approach, has said it would effectively deny Bush the ability to proceed with the troop buildup that has been partially implemented since he announced it in January.

Some Senate Democrats have been privately critical of that approach, saying it would have virtually no chance of passing and could easily backfire politically in the face of Republican arguments that it would deny reinforcements to troops already in the war zone.

Several Senate Democrats have called in recent days for revoking the original authorization that Bush sought and won from Congress in the months before the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

That measure authorized the president to use the armed forces "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate ... to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq" and to enforce relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions.

At the time the world body had passed resolutions regarding Iraq's presumed effort to develop weapons of mass destruction.

In a speech last week, Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record) of Delaware, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said, "I am working on legislation to repeal that authorization and replace it with a much narrower mission statement for our troops in Iraq."

Biden added that Congress should make clear what the mission of U.S. troops is: to responsibly draw down, while continuing to combat terrorists, train Iraqis and respond to emergencies.

Along with Biden, officials said Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and a small group of key Democrats were involved in the effort to draft legislation. Leadership aides are also playing a role.

It was not clear whether the measure would explicitly state that the 2002 authorization for the use of military force was being revoked. One proposal that had been circulated would declare that Bush was not authorized to involve U.S. armed forces in an Iraqi civil war, but it appeared that prohibition had been dropped as part of the discussions.

At the same time, several officials noted that any explicit authority for U.S. troops to confront al-Qaida would effectively bless Bush's decision to dispatch about 3,500 additional troops to the volatile Anbar Province in the western part of Iraq.

Under the president's recent announcement, the balance of the 21,500 additional troops would go to Baghdad, where the administration hopes they can help quell sectarian violence.

CSM
02-23-2007, 09:04 AM
Interesting but if they couldn't pass "nonbinding" resolutions what makes them think they can pass "binding" legislation? More smoke and mirrors in an attempt to disguise ineffectiveness.

Hobbit
02-23-2007, 11:44 AM
Anything short of cutting the purse strings won't do crap. The Constitution gives Bush the authority. The house bill that 'granted' him authority was a show of good will towards Congress.

avatar4321
02-23-2007, 02:52 PM
What is it with these Democrats and acting Unconstitutionally? The only have authority for one thing: Defunding. That's it. Even attempting to do anything else is a usurpation of the Constitution and the President's inherent power.

Hobbit
02-23-2007, 05:53 PM
What is it with these Democrats and acting Unconstitutionally? The only have authority for one thing: Defunding. That's it. Even attempting to do anything else is a usurpation of the Constitution and the President's inherent power.

Democrats stopped caring about the Constitution around the time of the New Deal. The Republicans have started down the same road ever since the Contract With America started running out of steam.

What we need is a Constitutional oversight committee of Constitutional lawyers completely unconnected to any political candidate. Their sole job would be to present any action to the Supreme Court that they believe violates the Constitution. The tenth ammendment would probably need a staff of about 200 for a year or two.

manu1959
02-23-2007, 06:50 PM
Democrats stopped caring about the Constitution around the time of the New Deal. The Republicans have started down the same road ever since the Contract With America started running out of steam.

What we need is a Constitutional oversight committee of Constitutional lawyers completely unconnected to any political candidate. Their sole job would be to present any action to the Supreme Court that they believe violates the Constitution. The tenth ammendment would probably need a staff of about 200 for a year or two.

who appoints the committee........

Dilloduck
02-23-2007, 07:02 PM
who appoints the committee........

The independent committee appointer ? :cool:

Merlin
02-23-2007, 07:02 PM
Good for them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq



Haven't you been watching/reading the news? This action is symbolic also. If by chance it would pass, all the powers to be already said all he had to do was veto it. Then the idiots would have to get 2/3 vote to over ride his veto. The ball is still in Bush's court. Thank GOD I may add.

LiberalNation
02-23-2007, 07:34 PM
Yes he could veto but they would keep bringing it up and as the repubs feel more and more pressure against the war they would be more agreeable to the dem side. He might just get his wings clipped before he’s out of office.

Will see.

manu1959
02-23-2007, 07:40 PM
Yes he could veto but they would keep bringing it up and as the repubs feel more and more pressure against the war they would be more agreeable to the dem side. He might just get his wings clipped before he’s out of office.

Will see.

they have talked bad about bush for 7 years...what are they going to do now...try harder?...bush doesn't care....clip his wings how...pass resolutions? threaten to impeach him? he doesn't care...he belives what he is doing is right and all yall are not going to change his mind.

LiberalNation
02-23-2007, 07:42 PM
Exactly that why he isn't a very good president. He wont listen to anyone. They'll cut his funds and make him compromise I'm betting. Many got elected on anti-Bush platforms.

manu1959
02-23-2007, 07:47 PM
Exactly that why he isn't a very good president. He wont listen to anyone. They'll cut his funds and make him compromise I'm betting. Many got elected on anti-Bush platforms.

truman FDR and lincoln didn't listen....lots of people will say clinton and reagan didn't listen....

good leaders don't listen to "everyone".... they do what they think is right and let the chips fall where they may.

if they cut his funds then they are not listening to those that do not want the funds cut....

bush will be gone in a year .... hope they have more ideas than do the opposite of whatever bush did .... because once he is gone there will no longer be a mirro to play off.

Dilloduck
02-23-2007, 07:50 PM
truman FDR and lincoln didn't listen....lots of people will say clinton and reagan didn't listen....

good leaders don't listen to "everyone".... they do what they think is right and let the chips fall where they may.

if they cut his funds then they are not listening to those that do not want the funds cut....

bush will be gone in a year .... hope they have more ideas than do the opposite of whatever bush did .... because once he is gone there will no longer be a mirro to play off.

IDEAS ??? Surely you jest

Merlin
02-23-2007, 07:58 PM
Exactly that why he isn't a very good president. He wont listen to anyone. They'll cut his funds and make him compromise I'm betting. Many got elected on anti-Bush platforms.

He has a contingency for that too. We have troops at bases all over the world and all he has to do is reduce some base personnel and send them to Iraq. By the way, he will eventually go down in history as one of the best Presidents the USA has ever had. Hes already the best one in my lifetime and I've seen a lot of them.

Gaffer
02-23-2007, 08:08 PM
It's the house that is trying to get control of the government. But they really can't do much cause the senate will stop most of what they put through. If they fail Bush can veto. And gettigna two thirds majority to over ride a veto is very improbable.

Impeachment is not posible as there is nothing to impeach him for. The Bush lied bullshit is a liberal lie and they know it and can't act on it. If it was fact they would have impeached three years ago. It's all dem grandstanding and their media supporting it.

avatar4321
02-23-2007, 08:11 PM
Democrats stopped caring about the Constitution around the time of the New Deal. The Republicans have started down the same road ever since the Contract With America started running out of steam.

What we need is a Constitutional oversight committee of Constitutional lawyers completely unconnected to any political candidate. Their sole job would be to present any action to the Supreme Court that they believe violates the Constitution. The tenth ammendment would probably need a staff of about 200 for a year or two.

Unfortunately, I wouldnt trust constitutional lawyers. Not after being in constitutional law classes and knowing how liberal many of them are.

avatar4321
02-23-2007, 08:13 PM
Yes he could veto but they would keep bringing it up and as the repubs feel more and more pressure against the war they would be more agreeable to the dem side. He might just get his wings clipped before he’s out of office.

Will see.

Republicans arent going to feel pressure against the war because the pressure against the war isnt as great as the Democrats seem to think.

In fact, I think the Democrats have just guarenteed themselves defeat in 08

LiberalNation
02-23-2007, 08:18 PM
In a recent Kentucky poll Bush just got his lowest approval rating yet. More than half disapproved with his running of the war. We are a very conservative state and pretty small. It is almost certainly to be worse in more populous north eastern and western coast states.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2007/feb/21/bush-hits-new-low-in-bluegrass-poll/?gleaner=1/

avatar4321
02-23-2007, 08:19 PM
He has a contingency for that too. We have troops at bases all over the world and all he has to do is reduce some base personnel and send them to Iraq. By the way, he will eventually go down in history as one of the best Presidents the USA has ever had. Hes already the best one in my lifetime and I've seen a lot of them.

I have hopes that maybe he will be. But he still has two years which could make or break him.

And as good a job as i think he has done, i think he could have done much better and part of me thinks its rather sad that he will be one of the best presidents we've had in a while. But he will be. Other than Reagan has there been a President as good since Eisenhower?