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Dilloduck
03-10-2008, 06:12 AM
Drug pushers, the obscenely rich, environmental polluters and “manipulative” genetic scientists beware – you may be in danger of losing your mortal soul unless you repent.

After 1,500 years the Vatican has brought the seven deadly sins up to date by adding seven new ones for the age of globalisation. The list, published yesterday in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “securalised world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes”, including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell”.

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularised in the Middle Ages by Dante in The Inferno: lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 per cent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalisation”. Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an invididual matter, it now had “social resonance”.

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbour’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.

Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or “the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few”.

He said that two mortal sins which continued to preoccupy the Vatican were abortion, which offended “the dignity and rights of women”, and paedophilia, which had even infected the clergy itself and so had exposed the “human and institutional fragility of the Church”.

The mass media had “blown up” the issue “to discredit the Church”, but the Church itself was taking steps to deal with it.

Addressing the Apostolic Penitentiary seminar, the Pope said there was “a certain disaffection” with confession among the faithful. Priests had to show “divine tenderness for penitent sinners” and admit their own failings.

“Those who trust in themselves and in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own ‘I’, and their hearts harden in sin. Those who recognise themselves as weak and sinful entrust themselves to God, and from Him obtain grace and forgiveness.”

The Pope also complained that an increasing number of people in the secularised West were “making do without God”.

He said that hedonism and consumerism had even invaded “the bosom of the Church itself, deeply undermining the Christian faith from within, and undermining the lifestyle and daily behaviour of believers”.

Eastern Catholics do not recognise the same distinction between mortal and venial sins as the Western or Latin Church does, nor does it believe that those people who die in a state of sin are condemned to automatic damnation.

The original offences and their punishments
Pride Broken on the wheel
Envy Put in freezing water
Gluttony Forced to eat rats, toads, and snakes
Lust Smothered in fire and brimstone
Anger Dismembered alive
Greed Put in cauldrons of boiling oil
SlothThrown in snake pits


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3517050.ece

Nukeman
03-10-2008, 07:00 PM
OK here's my problem with the Catholic church right now. They are coming up with more sins. I was under the impression that sins derive from God and only God. How than does man, determine what is in the mind of God. If the Catholic church is attempting to play God than I have a very big problem with that.... IMHO


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL109602320080310?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Nukeman
03-10-2008, 07:33 PM
Lust Smothered in fire and brimstone

Well Jessica Alba's already pregnant so I don't have to burn for this one.:laugh2:

diuretic
03-10-2008, 07:34 PM
OK here's my problem with the Catholic church right now. They are coming up with more sins. I was under the impression that sins derive from God and only God. How than does man, determine what is in the mind of God. If the Catholic church is attempting to play God than I have a very big problem with that.... IMHO


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL109602320080310?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

It's complex. But this is a start - http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/infal.html

gabosaurus
03-10-2008, 11:50 PM
I am sure Dillo is hard at work on the new ones. :laugh2:

Dilloduck
03-11-2008, 06:15 AM
I am sure Dillo is hard at work on the new ones. :laugh2:

Hey--giving up my cloning research for God is a bitter pill to swallow. Personally I think the pope is picking on me.

gabosaurus
03-11-2008, 11:52 AM
Hey--giving up my cloning research for God is a bitter pill to swallow. Personally I think the pope is picking on me.

Cloning yourself is acceptable. But if you try cloning Martin, Nevada or CheeseWars, I am coming after you. :)

hjmick
03-11-2008, 11:55 AM
Damn Catholics, changing the rules midstream...

Monkeybone
03-11-2008, 11:59 AM
man...just when i was starting to make profit from drug pushing.

Hobbit
03-12-2008, 04:20 PM
Ok, I'll separate these out. First off, I can live with these:

Genetic experimentation - I wouldn't mind genetic experimentation if it were limited to animals, but yeah, it's kinda messed up

Drug abuse - Yeah, body as a temple and all that. Drug abuse also leads to other, more traditional sins.

This one's too vague:

Tampering with the order of nature - Seems reasonable to leave nature alone, but how far does it go? Am I forbidden from using pesticides? Hiking trails?

The rest are just stupid:

Pollution - This is just stupid. Cars pollute. Houses pollute. Everything you buy, in some way, pollutes. Even fires pollute, and since Jesus ate meat that wasn't raw, I think we can safely assume this one is wrong. I don't care what you think about the Pope, Jesus trumps him. Hell, even animals pollute.

Social injustice - Wrong! If you go by the modern buzzword definition, this would mean that allowing people to be poor is a sin, but Jesus said, "The poor will always be with you," and even used this to tell someone that, in that case, it was better NOT to give a certain thing to the poor. Using the classical definition, most poor people are poor as a product of social justice. That is, they made bad choices and are now paying the consequences. Giving them a handout would be social injustice indeed, and Jesus didn't teach that. Jesus: 2, Pope: 0.

Causing poverty - How does one 'cause poverty.' If you cause someone else's poverty, it typically implies that you stole, cheated, or otherwise wrongfully removed wealth from another person, and that's covered under one of the ten commandments. If you did so by offering bad advice, and you didn't know it was bad advice, I see no sin. Otherwise, you caused your own poverty, which I would hesitate to call a sin. The thing I really hate about this one is the same thing I hate about the ones above and below it, in that it implies that wealth is evil, economics is a zero sum game, and that only the poor are innocent.

Accumulating excessive wealth - This one screams horse squeeze from word one. Accumulating excessive wealth? First off, under what principle is this a sin? Aren't dishonest, unscrupulous, or otherwise immoral ways of gaining wealth already covered under other sins? Isn't vanity also a sin, covering those who build billion dollar swimming pools and coat their pies in edible gold leaf? What about the good the wealth could do? Sam Walton provided good jobs and cheap goods to hundreds of millions of people. Unless the wealthy hide their wealth in a mattress (and if they're smart enough to get wealthy, they don't), that wealth goes to helping others and strengthening the economy. How is this against Biblical principles? Would it be better to just hand out those dollars to those who would waste it, contributing little to the economy and ending up right back where they started? Also, who gets to decide what is 'excessive?' Isn't it a conflict of interests to tell people who give you a significant portion of their income that having money is bad? Isn't the Vatican sitting on a big lump of 'excessive' wealth in the form of thousands of works of art, appraised between 'a small fortune' and 'priceless?'

Trinity
03-12-2008, 04:45 PM
OK here's my problem with the Catholic church right now. They are coming up with more sins. I was under the impression that sins derive from God and only God. How than does man, determine what is in the mind of God. If the Catholic church is attempting to play God than I have a very big problem with that.... IMHO


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL109602320080310?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

I was just thinking the same thing...................

The Reverend
03-12-2008, 05:45 PM
Drug pushers
Hmm would that include doctors and pharmisicst as well. They technically push drugs

environmental polluters
Doesn't that include everyone.
Don't we all pollute, even by farting you are polluting.

82Marine89
03-12-2008, 06:48 PM
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