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stephanie
02-25-2007, 01:31 AM
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M. Zuhdi Jasser
Author: M. Zuhdi Jasser
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: February 23, 2007





Our government is being duped, through political correctness, into partnering with organizations which present themselves as being purely religious (Muslim) or ethnic (Arabic) but are actually solidly religio-political and Arab-political movements. FSM Contributing Editor M. Zuhdi Jasser explains the dangers inherent in this short-sighted policy.





Our Government's Dangerous Partnering With the Wrong Muslims



By M. Zuhdi Jasser



In the past few months we have seen an unusual increase in publicity concerning the interactions of the American Muslim “activist” community with various governmental agencies involved in Homeland Security. The Justice Department, FBI, DHS, State Department, and others in the Bush Administration have since 9-11, and especially in the past few months, aggressively sought out “representatives” of the Muslim community with whom they can “partner”. They cite a number of justifications including: the development of “mutual trust”, opening channels for reporting suspicious activity, education about Islam and Muslims, and the general breaking down of cultural, political, and religious barriers through better-founded relationships. The jury is out as to whom this relationship benefits and on whose behalf it is being done.



On January 10, 2007, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, met with “American Muslims” which included the organizations-- the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), and the Arab American Institute (AAI). A quick, random, browse of just their websites shows heavily political organizations with an underlying religious movement for the first two and Arab movement for the last. Their combined product is a heavily political-religious movement. It has some following, but represents only a minority of the Muslims in America who mostly remain unaffiliated.



One would be hard pressed to find precedent in the U.S. of our security agencies and leadership “partnering” with manifestations of a national and global political movement within the United States. Simply put, it seems our government is being duped, through political correctness, into partnering with organizations which present themselves as being purely religious (Muslim) or ethnic (Arabic) but are actually upon even a brief review rather solidly religio-political and Arab-political movements.



It is not that these organizations have not condemned terrorism as an act or a means to an ends. It is, rather, that they have not condemned political Islam (Islamism) and its theocratic foundations as an ends. Islamism is the end-game of our enemies and its ideological antidote is Americanism and its multi-religious and mulit-ethnic pluralism. American Muslims need purely spiritual organizations which are not also sympathetic to a national or global political-religious movement. Currently there are few to none. To have our governmental leadership in any capacity officially and publicly “partner” with current Islamist organizations is a significant liability in the war of ideas - if we have any hope of ever defeating the Islamists.



The Proportionality Test and the Islamist Agenda



After the January 10 meeting, MPAC called upon the Attorney General to: “publicly acknowledge the positive contributions of their communities in working to preserve national security and to expand efforts to promote engagement with all levels of government and law enforcement.”



If these positive contributions are so prevalent, shouldn’t their existence be common knowledge? Why would the Muslim community need the Attorney General to acknowledge that in order for Americans to believe it? The public campaigns leading such counterterrorism efforts would speak for themselves. However, Islamist organizations want it both ways. They want the government to validate their actions behind the scenes and then use that validation to give them a pass on doing the same publicly against America’s Islamist enemies.



Wholly dismissed as irrelevant by the mainstream media and the administration is what political Islam reciprocally gains from this public relationship. Is this relationship with Islamism wise—strategically? Is it ultimately in the best interests of America and American Muslims for that matter? Helping the counter ideology to Americanism thrive in our communities will in the end be a detriment to national security. While Islamism has its moderates, the measure of moderation is still within a political construct which is Islamist and rather anti-American in its ideology.



It is the duty of every American Muslim and non-Muslim to be critical of how “representative” these organizations are of the vast majority of American Muslims who are not on their membership rolls and who do not subscribe to the goals of political Islam. When current “major” organizations appear with the MSM and with governmental leadership and become the face of American Islam, every Muslim is entitled and obligated to weigh in on the validity of their representation. Without criticism, the greater unaffiliated American Muslim community is associated with their religious and the political mission.



Organizations like ISNA, MPAC, CAIR, or ADC will never bring forward national campaigns against the un-American ideologies of Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, or Wahhabism and Islamism on their own. And this becomes especially true if our government officials enable them by providing constant public testimony to their unblemished partnership. More importantly, this partnership will suffocate any chance for newer, anti-Islamist organizations ever coming out of the devout American Muslim community.



To the extent that non-Muslim America is interested in Muslim organizations and Islam, it is for the most part derived from a post-9-11 interest in security. Thus, we could invoke a similar proportionality test upon American Muslim organizations. What proportion of their programs and funding are spent on counterterrorism, anti-Islamism, and internal reform versus civil rights protections, “Islamic education” and domestic and foreign policy? The proportion should illustrate their agendas and the appropriateness of partnership if any.

Avoiding Islamist advocacy is pro-Islam


the rest at......
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=759085&PHPSESSID=a4423086c7e6c841d6135a7ceccccf39

Gunny
02-25-2007, 09:43 AM
:read:

M. Zuhdi Jasser
Author: M. Zuhdi Jasser
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: February 23, 2007





Our government is being duped, through political correctness, into partnering with organizations which present themselves as being purely religious (Muslim) or ethnic (Arabic) but are actually solidly religio-political and Arab-political movements. FSM Contributing Editor M. Zuhdi Jasser explains the dangers inherent in this short-sighted policy.





Our Government's Dangerous Partnering With the Wrong Muslims



By M. Zuhdi Jasser



In the past few months we have seen an unusual increase in publicity concerning the interactions of the American Muslim “activist” community with various governmental agencies involved in Homeland Security. The Justice Department, FBI, DHS, State Department, and others in the Bush Administration have since 9-11, and especially in the past few months, aggressively sought out “representatives” of the Muslim community with whom they can “partner”. They cite a number of justifications including: the development of “mutual trust”, opening channels for reporting suspicious activity, education about Islam and Muslims, and the general breaking down of cultural, political, and religious barriers through better-founded relationships. The jury is out as to whom this relationship benefits and on whose behalf it is being done.



On January 10, 2007, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, met with “American Muslims” which included the organizations-- the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), and the Arab American Institute (AAI). A quick, random, browse of just their websites shows heavily political organizations with an underlying religious movement for the first two and Arab movement for the last. Their combined product is a heavily political-religious movement. It has some following, but represents only a minority of the Muslims in America who mostly remain unaffiliated.



One would be hard pressed to find precedent in the U.S. of our security agencies and leadership “partnering” with manifestations of a national and global political movement within the United States. Simply put, it seems our government is being duped, through political correctness, into partnering with organizations which present themselves as being purely religious (Muslim) or ethnic (Arabic) but are actually upon even a brief review rather solidly religio-political and Arab-political movements.



It is not that these organizations have not condemned terrorism as an act or a means to an ends. It is, rather, that they have not condemned political Islam (Islamism) and its theocratic foundations as an ends. Islamism is the end-game of our enemies and its ideological antidote is Americanism and its multi-religious and mulit-ethnic pluralism. American Muslims need purely spiritual organizations which are not also sympathetic to a national or global political-religious movement. Currently there are few to none. To have our governmental leadership in any capacity officially and publicly “partner” with current Islamist organizations is a significant liability in the war of ideas - if we have any hope of ever defeating the Islamists.



The Proportionality Test and the Islamist Agenda



After the January 10 meeting, MPAC called upon the Attorney General to: “publicly acknowledge the positive contributions of their communities in working to preserve national security and to expand efforts to promote engagement with all levels of government and law enforcement.”



If these positive contributions are so prevalent, shouldn’t their existence be common knowledge? Why would the Muslim community need the Attorney General to acknowledge that in order for Americans to believe it? The public campaigns leading such counterterrorism efforts would speak for themselves. However, Islamist organizations want it both ways. They want the government to validate their actions behind the scenes and then use that validation to give them a pass on doing the same publicly against America’s Islamist enemies.



Wholly dismissed as irrelevant by the mainstream media and the administration is what political Islam reciprocally gains from this public relationship. Is this relationship with Islamism wise—strategically? Is it ultimately in the best interests of America and American Muslims for that matter? Helping the counter ideology to Americanism thrive in our communities will in the end be a detriment to national security. While Islamism has its moderates, the measure of moderation is still within a political construct which is Islamist and rather anti-American in its ideology.



It is the duty of every American Muslim and non-Muslim to be critical of how “representative” these organizations are of the vast majority of American Muslims who are not on their membership rolls and who do not subscribe to the goals of political Islam. When current “major” organizations appear with the MSM and with governmental leadership and become the face of American Islam, every Muslim is entitled and obligated to weigh in on the validity of their representation. Without criticism, the greater unaffiliated American Muslim community is associated with their religious and the political mission.



Organizations like ISNA, MPAC, CAIR, or ADC will never bring forward national campaigns against the un-American ideologies of Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, or Wahhabism and Islamism on their own. And this becomes especially true if our government officials enable them by providing constant public testimony to their unblemished partnership. More importantly, this partnership will suffocate any chance for newer, anti-Islamist organizations ever coming out of the devout American Muslim community.



To the extent that non-Muslim America is interested in Muslim organizations and Islam, it is for the most part derived from a post-9-11 interest in security. Thus, we could invoke a similar proportionality test upon American Muslim organizations. What proportion of their programs and funding are spent on counterterrorism, anti-Islamism, and internal reform versus civil rights protections, “Islamic education” and domestic and foreign policy? The proportion should illustrate their agendas and the appropriateness of partnership if any.

Avoiding Islamist advocacy is pro-Islam


the rest at......
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=759085&PHPSESSID=a4423086c7e6c841d6135a7ceccccf39

All you need to get full financial and material support from the US is to just say you are our friend; whether or not you actually are, or even act like it.

Hell, we STILL call France an "ally."

Pale Rider
02-25-2007, 12:55 PM
Half the things that happen today, I sit dumbfounded in disbelief.

WHAT - THE - FUCK - IS - GOING - ON - IN - THIS - COUNTRY?

Gaffer
02-25-2007, 01:52 PM
Half the things that happen today, I sit dumbfounded in disbelief.

WHAT - THE - FUCK - IS - GOING - ON - IN - THIS - COUNTRY?

Seems to me like a sellout is going on.

Gunny
02-25-2007, 02:11 PM
Our Government's Dangerous Partnering With the Wrong Muslims

BTW ... just who are the RIGHT muslims?

manu1959
02-25-2007, 02:33 PM
BTW ... just who are the RIGHT muslims?

they ones that say they do not want to kill us but will eventually cuz they are lying towel heads....

Nienna
02-25-2007, 03:40 PM
Seems like TheSage isn't all that far out there...

Pale Rider
02-26-2007, 01:45 AM
Seems like TheSage isn't all that far out there...

I can't resist....... "in what respect?"

avatar4321
02-26-2007, 01:50 AM
I can't resist....... "in what respect?"

maybe the fact that conspiracies might actually exist. Granted, i highly doubt they are jewish conspiracies. but people have always made secret deals with each other for power. I could see a number of politicians who would sell out this countries freedom if they got more power and perks.

glockmail
02-26-2007, 08:35 AM
I think Islam practiced in this country should be regulated, with a cop visiting every mosque, like we do in bars.

Dilloduck
02-26-2007, 08:38 AM
maybe the fact that conspiracies might actually exist. Granted, i highly doubt they are jewish conspiracies. but people have always made secret deals with each other for power. I could see a number of politicians who would sell out this countries freedom if they got more power and perks.

You don't have to worry nearly as much about the politicians as you do the business conglomerates

Pale Rider
02-26-2007, 01:01 PM
maybe the fact that conspiracies might actually exist. Granted, i highly doubt they are jewish conspiracies. but people have always made secret deals with each other for power. I could see a number of politicians who would sell out this countries freedom if they got more power and perks.

Well that's a maybe, but I was hoping to hear from Nienna.