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I can see from many posts here that many are not going to vote republican this Nov. McCain, can't see myself voting for this guy.
The age old questions, repeated probably every election:
if i don't vote for mccain and this helps shrill or racist get the office, is this a good thing
if i don't vote mccain, will this finally send a message to the repubs, regardless that shrill or racist will get office
if i don't vote mccain, will this finally set the course for third parties (something i think this country needs)
of course the main issue is -- do i make my stand now? if not now, when? for "when" seems to be not now.
manu1959
03-19-2008, 09:30 PM
I can see from many posts here that many are not going to vote republican this Nov. McCain, can't see myself voting for this guy.
The age old questions, repeated probably every election:
if i don't vote for mccain and this helps shrill or racist get the office, is this a good thing
if i don't vote mccain, will this finally send a message to the repubs, regardless that shrill or racist will get office
if i don't vote mccain, will this finally set the course for third parties (something i think this country needs)
of course the main issue is -- do i make my stand now? if not now, when? for "when" seems to be not now.
you could look at it this way......there are the dems....hillary and obama are the same.....so there is that party......
there are all the pubs that hate mccain cuz he is too liberal so there is that party.....
then there is mccain.....so there is that party.....
there are already three......
you could look at it this way......there are the dems....hillary and obama are the same.....so there is that party......
there are all the pubs that hate mccain cuz he is too liberal so there is that party.....
then there is mccain.....so there is that party.....
there are already three......
you could, but what will the ballot box "could"
manu1959
03-19-2008, 09:43 PM
you could, but what will the ballot box "could"
huh......
huh......
who knows, i was doing something else...
there are the implied three looking at your way, which i think is astute. however, will the ballot box give this three way choice? no, unless, there is a viable tp candidate who makes the ballot.
will that candidate, cause obama or hillary to win? if so, would that change your vote?
manu1959
03-19-2008, 10:49 PM
who knows, i was doing something else...
there are the implied three looking at your way, which i think is astute. however, will the ballot box give this three way choice? no, unless, there is a viable tp candidate who makes the ballot.
will that candidate, cause obama or hillary to win? if so, would that change your vote?
lol.......hillary or obama will take america one step further down the socialist road......and will appoint bad judges.......can't afford to vote third party......
lol.......hillary or obama will take america one step further down the socialist road......and will appoint bad judges.......can't afford to vote third party......
that is my thinking as well
DragonStryk72
03-20-2008, 12:23 AM
lol.......hillary or obama will take america one step further down the socialist road......and will appoint bad judges.......can't afford to vote third party......
I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you here manu. If everyone who doesn't want to vote for mccain cause he's not really a republican voted third party, the third parties would be viable, especially the constitution party and the libertarian party, which are both starting to get a strong influx of membership. We haven't even gotten to the actual campaign for president yet, just the campaign to campaign for president.
Everyone needs to stop voting for who they think 'will' win, and start voting for the person they believe to be right for the office. Myself, I will be voting for Root if I have to write his name in on the ballot. If you ever want to see a third party candidate, then the time to stand is now.
Pale Rider
03-20-2008, 10:31 AM
I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you here manu. If everyone who doesn't want to vote for mccain cause he's not really a republican voted third party, the third parties would be viable, especially the constitution party and the libertarian party, which are both starting to get a strong influx of membership. We haven't even gotten to the actual campaign for president yet, just the campaign to campaign for president.
Everyone needs to stop voting for who they think 'will' win, and start voting for the person they believe to be right for the office. Myself, I will be voting for Root if I have to write his name in on the ballot. If you ever want to see a third party candidate, then the time to stand is now.
I'll have to partially disagree with you DS72. What we have right now at this moment is, the dems, i.e., socialists, commies, liberal moonbats, and then the repubs, i.e., mccain, the most liberal repub to be nominated every since I can remember, and I'm 52, and then third party candidates like the Libertarians and Constitutionalists. In other words, we have the super liberals, the liberal, and then the conservatives. Unfortunately the super liberal and liberal have a strangle hold on the system, and Yurt hit the question right on the nose. "If I don't vote third party this time, WHEN DO I vote third party?" Damn good question, and even though I'm leaning towards voting for mccain because I'm scared half to DEATH of the thought of President hitlery or President hussein, my vote for mccain still isn't written stone. I still may vote third party. If I don't, and no one else does, now, next time, never... a third party will never be able to emerge as a threat to this two party system that makes us all so damn sick every year.
theHawk
03-20-2008, 10:38 AM
I'm going to vote for the candidate that has the best chance of beating that shitbag liberal who has sat through 20 years of white hate-mongering brainwashing sermons. His wife has already exposed herself to have bought into that ideology with her 'I've never been proud to be an American' statement, so I have no doubt Obama feels the same way, he's just better at hiding it.
McCain isn't perfect by any means. But he's anti-abortion, pro-low taxes, pro-second amendment, and will fight the terrorists. Thats loads better than Obama...
Abbey Marie
03-20-2008, 10:50 AM
I'm going to vote for the candidate that has the best chance of beating that shitbag liberal who has sat through 20 years of white hate-mongering brainwashing sermons. His wife has already exposed herself to have bought into that ideology with her 'I've never been proud to be an American' statement, so I have no doubt Obama feels the same way, he's just better at hiding it.
McCain isn't perfect by any means. But he's anti-abortion, pro-low taxes, pro-second amendment, and will fight the terrorists. Thats loads better than Obama...
Excellent post, Hawk. You nailed it. :clap:
5stringJeff
03-20-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you here manu. If everyone who doesn't want to vote for mccain cause he's not really a republican voted third party, the third parties would be viable, especially the constitution party and the libertarian party, which are both starting to get a strong influx of membership. We haven't even gotten to the actual campaign for president yet, just the campaign to campaign for president.
Everyone needs to stop voting for who they think 'will' win, and start voting for the person they believe to be right for the office. Myself, I will be voting for Root if I have to write his name in on the ballot. If you ever want to see a third party candidate, then the time to stand is now.
Couldn't have written that any better myself! :thumb:
Couldn't have written that any better myself! :thumb:
so if obama is dem nom, are you willing to accept him winning in order to esablish the TP, which, may or may not establish itself as a viable TP ever?
5stringJeff
03-20-2008, 04:53 PM
so if obama is dem nom, are you willing to accept him winning in order to esablish the TP, which, may or may not establish itself as a viable TP ever?
Yes, I am willing to accept a President from our liberal party over a President from our moderate party in order to vote for a candidate from a liberty-loving party.
Yes, I am willing to accept a President from our liberal party over a President from our moderate party in order to vote for a candidate from a liberty-loving party.
in order that your party, at some point in time, becomes a viable party, i agree with that. however:
what then of the next four years, or even the next eight years?
5stringJeff
03-20-2008, 07:27 PM
in order that your party, at some point in time, becomes a viable party, i agree with that. however:
what then of the next four years, or even the next eight years?
I understand your concern. But there will always be a bad candidate from one (or, in case of 2008, both) parties. I wouldn't have wanted Al Gore or John Kerry in the White House. I don't want Hillary or Obama in the White House. But at some point, you have to take the risk of not supporting a party just because they happen to be the major alternative to the Democrats and start supporting the party that actually, really represents your views. For me, it's the LP. For OCA, as another example, it's the Constitution Party. I have my reasons for choosing the LP over the Constitution Party, and I'm sure he's got his. The point is that you can't let the GOP scare you into voting for their candidate to keep the big, bad Democrats out.
I understand your concern. But there will always be a bad candidate from one (or, in case of 2008, both) parties. I wouldn't have wanted Al Gore or John Kerry in the White House. I don't want Hillary or Obama in the White House. But at some point, you have to take the risk of not supporting a party just because they happen to be the major alternative to the Democrats and start supporting the party that actually, really represents your views. For me, it's the LP. For OCA, as another example, it's the Constitution Party. I have my reasons for choosing the LP over the Constitution Party, and I'm sure he's got his. The point is that you can't let the GOP scare you into voting for their candidate to keep the big, bad Democrats out.
the GOP doesn't scare me as much as the dems
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