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NATO AIR
03-21-2008, 09:08 PM
Classy and reminded me of comments long ago from a Southern gentleman who happened to be my high school biology teacher...
"You had to live in that era to understand the anger of some on both sides... some people never forgive and never forget. That's their decision and not yours."

As an evangelical, I'm proud of Huckabee if he is to be the next-generation leader of the "Christian Conservative" movement. He will learn more about foreign policy and he will learn the hard way about the inability of government to help at the federal level on most issues... but he's got a mind of his own and its an open one to this country's problems....


HUCKABEE: [Obama] made the point, and I think it's a valid one, that you can't hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do. You just can't. Whether it's me, whether it's Obama...anybody else. But he did distance himself from the very vitriolic statements.

Now, the second story. It's interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what Louis Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Reverend Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you'd say "Well, I didn't mean to say it quite like that."

JOE SCARBOROUGH: But, but, you never came close to saying five days after September 11th, that America deserved what it got. Or that the American government invented AIDS...

HUCKABEE: Not defending his statements.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Oh, I know you're not. I know you're not. I'm just wondering though, for a lot of people...Would you not guess that there are a lot of Independent voters in Arkansas that vote for Democrats sometimes, and vote for Republicans sometimes, that are sitting here wondering how Barack Obama's spiritual mentor would call the United States the USKKK?

HUCKABEE: I mean, those were outrageous statements, and nobody can defend the content of them.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: But what's the impact on voters in Arkansas? Swing voters.

HUCKABEE: I don't think we know. If this were October, I think it would have a dramatic impact. But it's not October. It's March. And I don't believe that by the time we get to October, this is gonna be the defining issue of the campaign, and the reason that people vote.

And one other thing I think we've gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say "That's a terrible statement!"...I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack -- and I'm gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who's gonna say something like this, but I'm just tellin' you -- we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told "you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus..." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.

MIKA: I agree with that. I really do.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: It's the Atticus Finch line about walking a mile in somebody else's shoes. I remember when Ronald Reagan got shot in 1981. There were some black students in my school that started applauding and said they hoped that he died. And you just sat there and of course you were angry at first, and then you walked out and started scratching your head going "boy, there is some deep resentment there."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTFLOu8fjxU

The comments are on the YouTube clip about 4 minutes in....

Kathianne
03-21-2008, 09:17 PM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03212008/news/columnists/o_what_a_lucky_break_this_fellow__is_get_102904.ht m




'O' WHAT A LUCKY BREAK THIS FELLOW IS GETTING

By CHARLES HURT

March 21, 2008 -- WASHINGTON - Call him Barack O'Bama - for he's got the luck of the Irish.

The very week he faces his toughest obstacle ever - one that may still derail his candidacy - Obama gets a near-game-ending pot of gold.

It now appears certain that Hillary Rodham Clinton's efforts to rewrite party rules in a desperate search for a lifeline have failed.

Her absurd proposal of counting her "wins" in Michigan and Florida - long after everyone agreed they wouldn't count - has been laughed off the table.

And now, it appears, there won't even be any revotes.

While revotes are the only way to resolve the matter justly, they would have been problematic for Obama ever since his insane preacher - who makes the Black Panthers seem docile - became a household name.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright would have terrified elderly Democrats in Florida and blue-collar whites in Michigan.

But Obama's luck doesn't end there. The timing of this whole mess couldn't have been better, because it competed for airtime with Eliot Spitzer's sexcapades.

The tapes have been around for years but came out only after Obama established himself as a solid front-runner.

And when they finally got widespread attention, it was during the longest spell of the campaign without any contests.

The next primary is still more than four weeks away in Pennsylvania, where Obama was going to lose anyway.

...

NATO AIR
03-21-2008, 09:25 PM
I didn't really want to wade into the Obama territory.. I only found what Huckabee had to say about "things out of context to some extent" and the painful history of both sides in the South to be far more interesting. Note he's not really taking up for Obama, he's just actually using his experience (as Obama claimed to do himself) to help explain some of the reasons Wright and others like him think the way they do.

Again, he was/is a terribly flawed presidential candidate, but as a political leader of the Christian conservatives/Republican evangelicals, Huckabee is well qualified for the job and we are better to have him in our fold.

Honest to God, if I had been a black American in the 40's, 50's & 60's, I don't know how I would/could love this country. Especially when you consider entire generations of average blacks were essentially disenfranchised from ever getting ahead or getting opportunity in life up until the early 70's. I would be resentful, I would be callous.

I'm not ashamed to say I am grateful to God I was born a white American. I have every opportunity and every blessing imaginable. My failings are truly my own and no one else.

I couldn't really say that for most minorities up until the 70's/80's. What if I'd been born some ghetto kid in LA... even if I do everything right (go to school, keep my nose clean) I'd have a good chance of getting gunned down in cold blood by some gang members like that football player/academic honor roll high school senior in LA whose mom is deployed in Iraq... or all the Chicago public school students who live in squalor and amid drug-addled neighborhoods and people.....

Dilloduck
03-21-2008, 09:35 PM
I didn't really want to wade into the Obama territory.. I only found what Huckabee had to say about "things out of context to some extent" and the painful history of both sides in the South to be far more interesting. Note he's not really taking up for Obama, he's just actually using his experience (as Obama claimed to do himself) to help explain some of the reasons Wright and others like him think the way they do.

Again, he was/is a terribly flawed presidential candidate, but as a political leader of the Christian conservatives/Republican evangelicals, Huckabee is well qualified for the job and we are better to have him in our fold.

Honest to God, if I had been a black American in the 40's, 50's & 60's, I don't know how I would/could love this country. Especially when you consider entire generations of average blacks were essentially disenfranchised from ever getting ahead or getting opportunity in life up until the early 70's. I would be resentful, I would be callous.

I'm not ashamed to say I am grateful to God I was born a white American. I have every opportunity and every blessing imaginable. My failings are truly my own and no one else.

I couldn't really say that for most minorities up until the 70's/80's. What if I'd been born some ghetto kid in LA... even if I do everything right (go to school, keep my nose clean) I'd have a good chance of getting gunned down in cold blood by some gang members like that football player/academic honor roll high school senior in LA whose mom is deployed in Iraq... or all the Chicago public school students who live in squalor and amid drug-addled neighborhoods and people.....

So Huckabee is into apologizing for preachers now ?

NATO AIR
03-21-2008, 09:37 PM
So Huckabee is into apologizing for preachers now ?

Yes, big surprise right?! :laugh2:

Takes one to know one I guess...

JohnDoe
03-21-2008, 09:46 PM
What Huckabee said is true, I saw it as a very young kid.... and it went on after the 60's too....but, eventually it got better....not perfect, but better.

Gaffer
03-27-2008, 10:43 AM
Wright may have good solid reason for his hatred. But the problem is he wants to spread that hatred to others. To infect the younger members with his hatred and carry that hatred on to future generations. He sets the black community back with every sermon he makes, creating not only a divide with the blacks, but with the whites as well.

A racist is a racist no matter what color he is.

Abbey Marie
03-27-2008, 02:58 PM
Any Christian preacher who preaches out of hatred, instead of forgiveness and love, should be fired for lack of knowledge of Jesus' teachings. At the very least.