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LiberalNation
03-23-2008, 11:39 PM
Real long article full a personal testimonials at the link. Pretty interesting read.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_re_us/4000_fallen_citizens_in_death;_ylt=Atr3l3O.eKaDhfi d3bNN2fdvzwcF


A young, ambitious immigrant from Guatemala who dreamed of becoming an architect. A Nigerian medic. A soldier from China who boasted he would one day become an American general. An Indian native whose headstone displays the first Khanda, emblem of the Sikh faith, to appear in Arlington National Cemetery.

These were among more than 100 foreign-born members of the U.S. military who earned American citizenship by dying in Iraq.


There are tens of thousands of foreign-born members in the U.S. armed forces. Many have been naturalized, but more than 20,000 are not U.S. citizens.

"Green card soldiers," they are often called, and early in the war, Bush signed an executive order making them eligible to apply for citizenship as soon as they enlist. Previously, legal residents in the military had to wait three years.

Since Bush's order, nearly 37,000 soldiers have been naturalized. And 109 who lost their lives have been granted posthumous citizenship.

They are buried with purple hearts and other decorations, and their names are engraved on tombstones in Arlington as well as in Mexico and India and Guatemala.


Others question whether non-citizens should even be permitted to serve. Mark Krikorian of the conservative Center for Immigration Studies, argues that defending America should be the job of Americans, not non-citizens whose loyalty might be suspect. In granting special benefits, including fast-track citizenship, Krikorian says, there is a danger that soldiering will eventually become yet another job that Americans won't do.

And yet, immigrants have always fought — and died — in America's wars.

Gunny
03-24-2008, 06:14 AM
Real long article full a personal testimonials at the link. Pretty interesting read.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_re_us/4000_fallen_citizens_in_death;_ylt=Atr3l3O.eKaDhfi d3bNN2fdvzwcF

So what's your point? Military service has been a means to US citizenship since forever.

It's no different than those that join for the educational benefits. You take the man's money and benefits, you do the man's job, peacetime or war. The US military isn't just a peactime handout program. It's primary business is to conduct war. That's the risk involved in taking the man's money and benefits.

Don't like the risk? Don't join.

LiberalNation
03-24-2008, 09:49 AM
I'm fine with the idea of letting forigners serve in the military but they out to be allowed to take the citizenship test right then and there. Americans should fight for America, they should be made new Americans for serving.

theHawk
03-24-2008, 12:37 PM
I'm fine with the idea of letting forigners serve in the military but they out to be allowed to take the citizenship test right then and there. Americans should fight for America, they should be made new Americans for serving.

What are you talking about? Bush's order made them all citizens....

LiberalNation
03-24-2008, 12:49 PM
So he has, good.

Gunny
03-24-2008, 08:53 PM
I'm fine with the idea of letting forigners serve in the military but they out to be allowed to take the citizenship test right then and there. Americans should fight for America, they should be made new Americans for serving.

No they shouldn't. Since when is paying for the job before it's done good business? Never.

They earn American citizenship after a specified period of honorable service, just like you get paid at the end fo the week AFTER you perform the work.

Gunny
03-24-2008, 08:53 PM
What are you talking about? Bush's order made them all citizens....


What order is THAT? Got a link?

LiberalNation
03-24-2008, 08:56 PM
No they shouldn't. Since when is paying for the job before it's done good business? Never.

They earn American citizenship after a specified period of honorable service, just like you get paid at the end fo the week AFTER you perform the work.

Off course there should be the ability to revoke it if they do not complete their term of service for a valid reason but I'd still say let them go for it as soon as they join and start serving. A military full of hired foreign guns with no loyalties to the US thru citizenship is not a good thing.

Gunny
03-24-2008, 09:41 PM
Off course there should be the ability to revoke it if they do not complete their term of service for a valid reason but I'd still say let them go for it as soon as they join and start serving. A military full of hired foreign guns with no loyalties to the US thru citizenship is not a good thing.

Be for real. This is the US with its bleeding heart, liberal US courts. Revokation would never happen.

And there is no hiring of "foreign guns" with no loyalties to the US through citizenship since citizenship IS the enticement. It ain't like the pay and chow is good.