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stephanie
03-27-2008, 02:20 PM
By J.R. Dunn
2008 marks the end of liberalism as a governing force in the same way that 1968 marked the end of liberalism as a political doctrine.


American liberals spent the '60s seeing their programs and policies collapse one after the other. The War on Crime, the War on Poverty, civil rights legislation, Vietnam, all were either unmitigated disasters or textbook examples of the law of unintended consequences. The Democrats went into the 1968 presidential election as crippled as any political party in American history, choked with failure, bereft of ideas, and facing a general uprising from their own younger elements.


The Democrats' 1968 Chicago convention marked the end of FDR-style liberalism. Media coverage revealed American liberals as incapable of controlling their own constituency, much less directing a country. As delegates cowered within the convention center, Movement rioters ran wild throughout the downtown area, fighting knock-down, drag-out battles with the police. Not a single liberal figure made any serious attempt to confront, control, or even communicate with the rioters. Little more than a decade after declaring itself the "American civic creed", liberalism was on the ropes.


Instead of joining the Whigs and Know-Nothings in historical oblivion, liberalism surrendered to its internal rebels, the Democratic Party's left wing, indistinguishable in beliefs and intent from any hardcore socialist party on the international scene. In 1972, they ran one of their own, George McGovern who in 1948 had served as delegate for communist front-man Henry Wallace) for the presidency.

McGovern's defeat at the hands of Richard M. Nixon represented no real setback for the new ideology. American leftists commenced their "Long march through the institutions" using techniques developed by Marxist theoretician Antonio Gramsci to take over the media, academia, and much of the bureaucracy. Political liberalism, due in large part to its control over massive urban machines, many of then going back to the days of Tammany, continued as a kind of husk animated by the new leftist persona. But liberalism in the traditional sense existed only in the minds of the naive, the ill-informed, and terminally nostalgic.


Followers of the mutant ideology were in no way open with their agenda. Instead they operated under the cover of two pretenses -- superior governance and high morality. Liberals presented themselves as technocrats with a clearer understanding of policy and governance than the opposition. Pragmatism was their creed, results their only criteria. Utilizing the old gimmicks of constituent services and favors and the new ones of planning and centralization, liberalism was able to maintain its dominance in backward and desperate areas of the country such as the Northeast and Upper Midwest.


The claim to higher morality was more inchoate, a kind of luminous abstraction beyond the grasp of money-grubbing Republicans, clearly understandable only by liberals themselves. Liberals claimed a monopoly on compassion, decency, and social justice (as defined by themselves), posing as the sole defenders of civic virtue against a horde of backwoodsmen, racists, and religious fanatics.

read the rest..
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_disgrace_of_liberalism.html

gabosaurus
03-27-2008, 03:19 PM
More extreme right wing bullshit from the usual source. :rolleyes:

Hagbard Celine
03-27-2008, 03:28 PM
What are you talking about? :wtf: You really do live in an alternate reality don't you? Leave your computer and go out into the world. Please.

stephanie
03-27-2008, 03:32 PM
What are you talking about? :wtf: You really do live in an alternate reality don't you? Leave your computer and go out into the world. Please.

I didn't write the article...
I've lived in the real world for many moons now, it's you I'm worried about...:coffee:

stephanie
03-27-2008, 03:35 PM
More extreme right wing bullshit from the usual source. :rolleyes:

:laugh2:

gabosaurus
03-27-2008, 03:35 PM
I didn't write the article...

That pretty much sums up your entire existence here... :lmao:

stephanie
03-27-2008, 03:38 PM
That pretty much sums up your entire existence here... :lmao:

and yours...:coffee:

gabosaurus
03-27-2008, 03:42 PM
Unlike you, I post original opinions. I don't spend hours each day scouring right-wing blogs and sources, looking for things to post here.

stephanie
03-27-2008, 03:45 PM
Unlike you, I post original opinions. I don't spend hours each day scouring right-wing blogs and sources, looking for things to post here.

yeah right..

Here's your most used original opinion posted...


More extreme right wing bullshit from the usual source. :laugh2:

and of course those original pieces you post from the rudepundit.

stephanie
03-27-2008, 03:50 PM
the article musta hit a deep nerve.......:laugh2:

gabosaurus
03-27-2008, 03:52 PM
What nerve? Check your last 50 or so new topics and tell us how many were cut and paste from right-wing hate sources.

stephanie
03-27-2008, 03:56 PM
What nerve? Check your last 50 or so new topics and tell us how many were cut and paste from right-wing hate sources.

Hate source...is that a new code word?

I suppose you consider the rudepundit.........a love source..

get a grip..you don't like the article.....tough:coffee:

retiredman
03-27-2008, 03:59 PM
typical spam without any independent intelligent commentary to go along with it. Are you channelling RSR?:lol:

avatar4321
03-27-2008, 04:08 PM
More extreme right wing bullshit from the usual source. :rolleyes:

and yet you cant point anything out that's wrong with it. what a surprise.

glockmail
03-27-2008, 04:16 PM
Unlike you, I post original opinions. I don't spend hours each day scouring right-wing blogs and sources, looking for things to post here.
Yes you do. However you can never defend them. :finger3:

stephanie
03-27-2008, 04:16 PM
typical spam without any independent intelligent commentary to go along with it. Are you channelling RSR?:lol:

no commentary was needed..the article spoke for itself...:laugh2:

glockmail
03-27-2008, 04:17 PM
the article musta hit a deep nerve.......:laugh2: That assumes that gabby read it, which is highly doubtful.

retiredman
03-27-2008, 07:45 PM
no commentary was needed..the article spoke for itself...:laugh2:

God forbid you would ever try to speak for YOURself!

Yurt
03-27-2008, 10:11 PM
God forbid you would ever try to speak for YOURself!

didn't you just challenge Pale to read something from YOUR head preacher/minister or whatever

stephanie
03-27-2008, 10:20 PM
God forbid you would ever try to speak for Yourself!

what the hell have I been doing through out this thread...miming?

I post stuff I find interesting..then it gives you all something to gripe about...

it worked today, didn't it..:laugh2:

retiredman
03-27-2008, 10:25 PM
one and two phrase soundbites....if that is your idea of "original thought", so be it. You and RSR are two peas in a pod.

stephanie
03-27-2008, 10:32 PM
one and two phrase soundbites....if that is your idea of "original thought", so be it. You and RSR are two peas in a pod.

Hey..I make it short and to the point..

I don't like to drone on and on, like some people here..:cheers2:

retiredman
03-27-2008, 10:35 PM
Hey..I make it short and to the point..

I don't like to drone on and on, like some people here..:cheers2:

you certainly don't make your spam short and to the point.... and really...that is about all you do: spam a conservative editorial and then toss our soundbites when people respond. Like I said, you could be RSR's twin sister.

stephanie
03-27-2008, 10:40 PM
you certainly don't make your spam short and to the point.... and really...that is about all you do: spam a conservative editorial and then toss our soundbites when people respond. Like I said, you could be Rsr twin sister.

Sooooooooooooooo..

It's for conservation around the board.
at least people won't fall asleep with my soundbites..

p/s...ya got a hardon going there for RsR....don't ya...
I bet you would be a thrill a minute at parties......sheeesh:laugh2:

retiredman
03-27-2008, 11:04 PM
Sooooooooooooooo..

It's for conservation around the board.
at least people won't fall asleep with my soundbites..

p/s...ya got a hardon going there for RsR....don't ya...
I bet you would be a thrill a minute at parties......sheeesh:laugh2:

I am quite a thrill at parties, actually....especially when I wow the ladies with my a cappella rendition of "Misty". :laugh2:

I am sorry, by the way.... I really have no major bone to pick with you. You are generally a fairly nice lady and I have been less than a gentleman.

Kathianne
03-27-2008, 11:06 PM
I am quite a thrill at parties, actually....especially when I wow the ladies with my a cappella rendition of "Misty". :laugh2:

I am sorry, by the way.... I really have no major bone to pick with you. You are generally a fairly nice lady and I have been less than a gentleman.

This post is one of the ones that make me not hate you. Seriously. ;)

stephanie
03-27-2008, 11:18 PM
I am quite a thrill at parties, actually....especially when I wow the ladies with my a cappella rendition of "Misty". :laugh2:

I am sorry, by the way.... I really have no major bone to pick with you. You are generally a fairly nice lady and I have been less than a gentleman.

I don't have any major problems with you either..but I will do battle when I am challenged...

As I said..I like to post different stuff for conversation on the board,( and yes they are cut and paste), some I totally agree with, some probably not so much..

I was feeling feisty today and I knew the article I posted here would BRING OUT..................... the conversation...:coffee:

Yurt
03-27-2008, 11:34 PM
I am quite a thrill at parties, actually....especially when I wow the ladies with my a cappella rendition of "Misty". :laugh2:

I am sorry, by the way.... I really have no major bone to pick with you. You are generally a fairly nice lady and I have been less than a gentleman.

:lol:

JohnDoe
03-28-2008, 12:32 AM
I support Liberalism 100%

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liberalism



Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1819

1: the quality or state of being liberal

2 a: often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity

b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard

c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties

d: capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party.

Yurt
03-28-2008, 12:35 AM
I support Liberalism 100%

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liberalism



Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1819

1: the quality or state of being liberal

2 a: often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity

b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard

c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties

d: capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party.

yeah, how bout the real deal:


http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/v/j/kennedy_absolut.jpg

JohnDoe
03-28-2008, 12:52 AM
yeah, how bout the real deal:


http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/v/j/kennedy_absolut.jpg
He can't help it, he's irish..... :)

Yurt
03-28-2008, 01:11 AM
He can't help it, he's irish..... :)

racist

stephanie
03-28-2008, 03:09 AM
He can't help it, he's irish..... :)
you are way funny..........

:coffee:

DragonStryk72
03-29-2008, 12:16 AM
The article is complete and total crap. I'm tired beyond belief of explaining exactly why this right/left extremists crap is complete and utter crap, so I'm going to leave it at that. The buttholes on both sides need to stop being part of the problem, and become a part of the solution

glockmail
04-07-2008, 08:09 AM
I support Liberalism 100%

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[B]liberalism

......
Date: 1819

..... Too bad the current definition has noting to do with that.

red states rule
04-07-2008, 08:15 AM
Too bad the current definition has noting to do with that.

Modern day liberalism requires the misery be spread around equally

glockmail
04-07-2008, 08:23 AM
Modern day liberalism requires the misery be spread around equally It also requires a complete misunderstanding of modern economics.

red states rule
04-07-2008, 08:26 AM
It also requires a complete misunderstanding of modern economics.

and rewriting history to fit the current DNC approved talking points