I know im gonna catch hell for this, but I have to stand up for my beliefs

[actsnoblemartin]

I believe homosexuality is a deviant and perverted lifestyle, and no one for sure has proven, whether youre born that way or not, but even if you are. It is against the three largest religions of the world, islam, christianity and judaism, it is disgusting, and I think by giving gays so called right and entitlements that god nor society gave them for 5,000 years because they were not equal to heterosexual relationships, let alone marriage is legitimizing a perversion and deviant lifestyles.

Gays in the 1970's and even before never wanted marriage, and i believe they want marriage, not because they want to be married, but because they want to weaken marriage, by changing the definition of it, when marriage cannot afford to weakened any further.

as far as discrimination, i believe there is a distinction between homosexuality and heterosexuality that militant gays and many liberals, and even some conservatives, want to tear down, with what i consider the intellectually dishonest term: discrimination. I guess god discriminated against gays, because he said it was an abomination, in islam, christianity, and judaism, i guess god needs sensitivity training.

Being discriminatory is like anything and any word, it can be good or bad, i discriminate against certain people, places, situations, because i dont want to hang out with bad people, in bad parts of town, and down believe the distinction between the traditions of our judeo-christian society should be torn down, to appease peoples feelings.

I guess im a discriminator, but im wear that badge with honor and pride.

God forbid i point out the epidemic with stds not just aids among homosexual males, any criticism or non liberal approved groups is racist, while christians are fair games, you can even poop or pee on a crucix, and if a christian complains, their art-ophobic,christ-ophobic or just facist, while liberals try to force people to accept homosexuality and end the distinction that god and our society for only 5000+ years has had with marriage between one man and one women.

[Yurt]

actsnoblemartin;227233]I believe homosexuality is a deviant and perverted lifestyle, and no one for sure has proven, whether youre born that way or not, but even if you are. It is against the three largest religions of the world, islam, christianity and judaism, it is disgusting, and I think by giving gays so called right and entitlements that god nor society gave them for 5,000 years because they were not equal to heterosexual relationships, let alone marriage is legitimizing a perversion and deviant lifestyles.

"society" is the "state" the "state" has given hetros contractual rights that would not exist, but for the state creating such rights. do you agree?



Gays in the 1970's and even before never wanted marriage, and i believe they want marriage, not because they want to be married, but because they want to weaken marriage, by changing the definition of it, when marriage cannot afford to weakened any further.

this is BS. who do you think you are assuming what gays int he 70's wanted? do you know? personally? dude, they were it the closet still...



as far as discrimination, i believe there is a distinction between homosexuality and heterosexuality that militant gays and many liberals, and even some conservatives, want to tear down, with what i consider the intellectually dishonest term: discrimination. I guess god discriminated against gays, because he said it was an abomination, in islam, christianity, and judaism, i guess god needs sensitivity training.

did you author this thread? if so, well done acts.

anyhooo..... people go on killing and so forth.... still crimes... those criminals, still find God. do you dispute that?



Being discriminatory is like anything and any word, it can be good or bad, i discriminate against certain people, places, situations, because i dont want to hang out with bad people, in bad parts of town, and down believe the distinction between the traditions of our judeo-christian society should be torn down, to appease peoples feelings.

murder, blasphemy, slut, anal-sex..... just words



I guess im a discriminator, but im wear that badge with honor and pride.

hmmmm


God forbid i point out the epidemic with stds not just aids among homosexual males, any criticism or non liberal approved groups is racist, while christians are fair games, you can even poop or pee on a crucix, and if a christian complains, their art-ophobic,christ-ophobic or just facist, while liberals try to force people to accept homosexuality and end the distinction that god and our society for only 5000+ years has had with marriage between one man and one women.

you have to admit, that allowing a marriage only society has NOT stopped butt sex.

[actsnoblemartin]

"society" is the "state" the "state" has given hetros contractual rights that would not exist, but for the state creating such rights. do you agree?

ME: i would agree with that statement. Ceasars law as they say defined marriage, but i also believe god defined marriage first, or course, imnot expecting everyone to agree with me here.



this is BS. who do you think you are assuming what gays int he 70's wanted? do you know? personally? dude, they were it the closet still...

ME: alright, yes... arrogant of me to assume what another group of people wants. Im not 100% sure how much they were in closet, it couldnt have been as bad as 1950's or60's but no where as good as 90's or today im sure. Thank you for pointing that out




did you author this thread? if so, well done acts.

Yes sir i did. Thank you

anyhooo..... people go on killing and so forth.... still crimes... those criminals, still find God. do you dispute that?

Im alittle confused by this statement, my understanding is, even with god, murder and rape occur, is that what youre trying to say, i do NOT want to try to put words in your mouth. I do believe god gave us free choice, and we are responsible for actions, and sadly, those actions sometimes hurt others.




murder, blasphemy, slut, anal-sex..... just words

ME: not just words,but they can mean different things to different people,
murder can mean self defense or cold blooded killer, blasphemy can mean, god damn, or killing 3000 in the name of god, anal sex could be sodamy. These words have similar words, and similar meanings, i just meant thats its different, like if u called me a slut, id say ok, if u called a woman a slut, she would be mad probably.




hmmmm



you have to admit, that allowing a marriage only society has NOT stopped butt sex.

ME: well, im not sure i want government telling two consenting adults what they cant and cant do in terms of sexual relations and relationship choices. I am just as angry at people who hate gays, as i am at militant gays. you dont harass people simply for being gay.

[Gaffer]

I have no religious convictions against faggots (of both sexes). I find them disgusting and unnatural. Being a faggot means your genetic code has come to the end of its line.

Faggots are not born, they are recruited. Even more so now that the libs have control of all the media.

I would prefer they all went back in the closet and stayed there.

[Yurt]

I have no religious convictions against faggots (of both sexes). I find them disgusting and unnatural. Being a faggot means your genetic code has come to the end of its line.

Faggots are not born, they are recruited. Even more so now that the libs have control of all the media.

I would prefer they all went back in the closet and stayed there.

do you believe in evolution?

[Gaffer]

do you believe in evolution?

yes

[actsnoblemartin]

since youre a man, and a married one at that.

do you believe MOST males, are programmed to be monogamous or need to be with more then one woman?

Just a question


do you believe in evolution?

[Gaffer]

since youre a man, and a married one at that.

do you believe MOST males, are programmed to be monogamous or need to be with more then one woman?

Just a question

Monogamy is a fairly recent western practice. Most civilizations had polygamy as the norm. This was for the purpose of producing children as there was a high infant mortality rate and children were needed to support the family. Woman in most societies were second class citizens or just plain property.

[gabosaurus]

Being discriminatory is like anything and any word, it can be good or bad, i discriminate against certain people, places, situations, because i dont want to hang out with bad people, in bad parts of town, and down believe the distinction between the traditions of our judeo-christian society should be torn down, to appease peoples feelings.


The reverse is also true. Which is why you still live with your mom and are shunned by women.

[actsnoblemartin]

when you assume, it just makes you an ass :coffee:

I dont live with my mom, and Im not shunned by women :laugh2:

I am very selective, and rarely hit on women, because I dont want to deal with the typical bitchy, mean, cruel american woman like you.


The reverse is also true. Which is why you still live with your mom and are shunned by women.

[Yurt]

since youre a man, and a married one at that.

do you believe MOST males, are programmed to be monogamous or need to be with more then one woman?

Just a question

i don't believe we are programmed

[April15]

I believe homosexuality is a deviant and perverted lifestyle, and no one for sure has proven, whether youre born that way or not, but even if you are. It is against the three largest religions of the world, islam, christianity and judaism, it is disgusting, and I think by giving gays so called right and entitlements that god nor society gave them for 5,000 years because they were not equal to heterosexual relationships, let alone marriage is legitimizing a perversion and deviant lifestyles.

Gays in the 1970's and even before never wanted marriage, and i believe they want marriage, not because they want to be married, but because they want to weaken marriage, by changing the definition of it, when marriage cannot afford to weakened any further.

as far as discrimination, i believe there is a distinction between homosexuality and heterosexuality that militant gays and many liberals, and even some conservatives, want to tear down, with what i consider the intellectually dishonest term: discrimination. I guess god discriminated against gays, because he said it was an abomination, in islam, christianity, and judaism, i guess god needs sensitivity training.

Being discriminatory is like anything and any word, it can be good or bad, i discriminate against certain people, places, situations, because i dont want to hang out with bad people, in bad parts of town, and down believe the distinction between the traditions of our judeo-christian society should be torn down, to appease peoples feelings.

I guess im a discriminator, but im wear that badge with honor and pride.

God forbid i point out the epidemic with stds not just aids among homosexual males, any criticism or non liberal approved groups is racist, while christians are fair games, you can even poop or pee on a crucix, and if a christian complains, their art-ophobic,christ-ophobic or just facist, while liberals try to force people to accept homosexuality and end the distinction that god and our society for only 5000+ years has had with marriage between one man and one women.

You have stated your position well. I disagree with most of it. The std epidemic is fastest growing in the young straights. Abstinence has not explained disease protection.
Oral genital contact is not considered having sex and is a great way to pass on VD. Kids are even rinsing their mouths with bleach in the hopes of preventing both pregnancy and disease. If they only knew that like anal sex oral sex does not cause pregnancy.

[westcoast]

Whats wrong with homosexuality Actsnoblemartin. How noble. Hey noble, you do know that straight men like to plug women in the ass right? You do know that not all straight couples can have kids right?

[manu1959]

Whats wrong with homosexuality Actsnoblemartin. How noble. Hey noble, you do know that straight men like to plug women in the ass right? You do know that not all straight couples can have kids right?

so that is your argment for why the gay lifestyle is ok......what if there are more people that don't have anal sex and can have kids.....majority rules right.....or do the super delegate ass bandits overrule everyone....

[OCA]

Acts...........how about letting those of us like myself, Pale, Jimmy, Gaffer etc. etc. take care of this subject like we have done in the past. You don't know how to word things and form arguments and you do more damage to the anti queer marriage side than help it.

[actsnoblemartin]

I do wonder if men are programmed to spread our seed :laugh2:


i don't believe we are programmed

[OCA]

most of it. The std epidemic is fastest growing in the young straights.

Thats a lie, would you like me to prove you wrong?

[actsnoblemartin]

I think you have some excellent points, young straights.

I believe our culture, and bad choices by them, are to blame.

bottom line: pre-marital sex is not a moral choice, in my opinion.


You have stated your position well. I disagree with most of it. The std epidemic is fastest growing in the young straights. Abstinence has not explained disease protection.
Oral genital contact is not considered having sex and is a great way to pass on VD. Kids are even rinsing their mouths with bleach in the hopes of preventing both pregnancy and disease. If they only knew that like anal sex oral sex does not cause pregnancy.

[OCA]

I do wonder if men are programmed to spread our seed :laugh2:

Only douchebags who have no control over their cocks. Unfortunately you don't have that problem, do ya Ray? Yours is more like finding anyone, just someone who actually wants you to use it.

[OCA]

I think you have some excellent points, young straights.

I believe our culture, and bad choices by them, are to blame.

bottom line: pre-marital sex is not a moral choice, in my opinion.

Your righteous idignation is well noted and i'm sure you've never made a bad choice in your life, eh Ray? Well, there was that choice to get hooked on porn.....................

[actsnoblemartin]

I find it to be a deviant and perverse lifestyle. Dont worry, im not running for office, and am well aware some if not most will think im full of shit :laugh2:

second, im talking about in general heterosexual marriage by and large has produced the off spring needed to continue our society.

I think anal sex, even done by a man and women is yucky :poke:

Basically, its very simple.

If your gay, all you need to do is power of attorney.

I dont care and its none of my business who you see or who's sees you in a hospital, or who you leave or who leaves you youre money.

I dont think gays need a new special title, and all these entitlements that were not meant for them, and thus changing the definition of and distinction between homosexual and heterosexual relationships.

They are different, :laugh2:. now, its cool if you dont find that bad, i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree


Whats wrong with homosexuality Actsnoblemartin. How noble. Hey noble, you do know that straight men like to plug women in the ass right? You do know that not all straight couples can have kids right?

[actsnoblemartin]

:laugh2: is that the best you got?

oh no im addicted to porn, tell you what... you get a cookie for pointing out the obvious :poop:


Your righteous idignation is well noted and i'm sure you've never made a bad choice in your life, eh Ray? Well, there was that choice to get hooked on porn.....................

[OCA]

:laugh2: is that the best you got?

oh no im addicted to porn, tell you what... you get a cookie for pointing out the obvious :poop:

Ray, that went right over your head but it seems not over the head of some others judging by a couple of pos reps I got.

Hey Ray, why don't you tell us the bad choices you've made? I mean you are real good at telling everyone else they are sinners or bad people.........but then again if you've never made a bad choice can I get you to bathe my feet in olive oil and bless me.....like Jesus?

[My Winter Storm]

I believe homosexuality is a deviant and perverted lifestyle, and no one for sure has proven, whether youre born that way or not, but even if you are.

Whether or not you consider it 'deviant' is homosexuality actually harming you?


It is against the three largest religions of the world, islam, christianity and judaism, it is disgusting, and I think by giving gays so called right and entitlements that god nor society gave them for 5,000 years because they were not equal to heterosexual relationships, let alone marriage is legitimizing a perversion and deviant lifestyles.

So you are of the opinion that if you don't like someone/something, they/it should not be accepted?
Can you even prove that a homosexual lifestyle/relationship is deviant?


Gays in the 1970's and even before never wanted marriage, and i believe they want marriage, not because they want to be married, but because they want to weaken marriage, by changing the definition of it, when marriage cannot afford to weakened any further.


If marriage is the only way for homosexuals to obtain equal rights, then they should be permitted to marry.


Being discriminatory is like anything and any word, it can be good or bad, i discriminate against certain people, places, situations

You discriminate against people you have never met, and places you have never visited - do you not think this is just slightly hypocritical?


I guess im a discriminator, but im wear that badge with honor and pride.

I don't know how you can, to be honest.


God forbid i point out the epidemic with stds not just aids among homosexual males

Do you honestly believe the tens of millions of people inflicted with HIV/AIDS in Africa are homosexual?
HIV/AIDS can be spread in more ways than just homosexual sex, as can any other sexually transmitted disease.

[avatar4321]

You have stated your position well. I disagree with most of it. The std epidemic is fastest growing in the young straights. Abstinence has not explained disease protection.
Oral genital contact is not considered having sex and is a great way to pass on VD. Kids are even rinsing their mouths with bleach in the hopes of preventing both pregnancy and disease. If they only knew that like anal sex oral sex does not cause pregnancy.

CFR. id like to see any reference to kids rinsing their mouths with bleach in hopes of preventing pregnancy and disease.

[82Marine89]

Whether or not you consider it 'deviant' is homosexuality actually harming you?

It harms society and the homosexual community has made it a point to attack the institution of marriage and family. And don't give me shit about Johnnie having two moms or two dads. It is biologically impossible. Little Johnnie was made from a man and a woman.


So you are of the opinion that if you don't like someone/something, they/it should not be accepted?
Can you even prove that a homosexual lifestyle/relationship is deviant?

How about you prove it isn't? Try to change the opinion he is entitled to.


If marriage is the only way for homosexuals to obtain equal rights, then they should be permitted to marry.

They already have equal rights. What you want is special rights. A man cannot marry a man. Heterosexual or homosexual. That is called equal rights.


You discriminate against people you have never met, and places you have never visited - do you not think this is just slightly hypocritical?

We all discriminate in our everyday lives. From simple choices of what to buy all the way to who we want to associate with. Do you have a problem with that or do you feel we should all sit in a group circle and sing Kumbaya all day long?


I don't know how you can, to be honest.

It called personal freedom. Embrace it instead of trying to end it.


Do you honestly believe the tens of millions of people inflicted with HIV/AIDS in Africa are homosexual?
HIV/AIDS can be spread in more ways than just homosexual sex, as can any other sexually transmitted disease.

The predominant cause of the spread of HIV/AIDS is social. I can't get it from breathing someone's air, drinking from their glass, or shaking their hand. It is passed by body fluids. Oxygen kills the virus. Do some research on how Africans think they can cure themselve of AIDS by having sex with newborns and/or young children. Homosexual? No. Stupid and need to be educated? Yes. Will 15 billion of my tax dollars stop it? No.

[82Marine89]

So you are of the opinion that if you don't like someone/something, they/it should not be accepted?


Missed this little gem. What is wrong with that? Why should he accept something he doesn't like? Why should anyone in society accept something they don't like?

[Missileman]

They already have equal rights. What you want is special rights. A man cannot marry a man. Heterosexual or homosexual. That is called equal rights.


If the definition of civil unions is modified to include same sex unions, the status quo of equal rights is maintained.

[Noir]

Acts...........how about letting those of us like myself, Pale, Jimmy, Gaffer etc. etc. take care of this subject like we have done in the past. You don't know how to word things and form arguments and you do more damage to the anti queer marriage side than help it.

OCA....how about you let someone express their opinions regardless of how you judge their ability to argue coherently.



I guess im a discriminator, but im wear that badge with honor and pride.

A badge of pride to you is a badge of disgust to me.


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God forbid i point out the epidemic with stds not just aids among homosexual males

Christ, this sounds like something straight from the 70's
Lets look up some real statistics (from the UK)


In 1999, for the first time, the rate of heterosexually acquired HIV diagnoses overtook the rate of diagnoses in men who have sex with men. The peak was 4,702 in 2004
(with the peek in gay men being 2500, though this raise is though to be caused more by a raise in those getting themselves tested rather than a boom in aids amoung gay people, as is happening with the hetro population.)

And


It has been estimated that, at the end of 2006, about 41% of all people living with HIV in the UK were men who had sex with men.

only 4 in 10? but surly only fags carry diseases...:slap:

(source http://www.avert.org/uksummary.htm)

[82Marine89]

Christ, this sounds like something straight from the 70's
Lets look up some real statistics (from the UK)


(with the peek in gay men being 2500, though this raise is though to be caused more by a raise in those getting themselves tested rather than a boom in aids amoung gay people, as is happening with the hetro population.)


In 1999, for the first time, the rate of heterosexually acquired HIV diagnoses overtook the rate of diagnoses in men who have sex with men. The peak was 4,702 in 2004

And


It has been estimated that, at the end of 2006, about 41% of all people living with HIV in the UK were men who had sex with men.

only 4 in 10? but surly only fags carry diseases...:slap:

(source http://www.avert.org/uksummary.htm)

You left out this part from your quote, which leads me to question how many of the heterosexual men are African immigrants?


Most of the new diagnoses are in people who probably acquired HIV in other countries, particularly in Africa. However, the number of infections probably acquired from heterosexual sex within the UK has soared from 183 in 1998 to 598 in 2006.

:slap:

[My Winter Storm]

It harms society and the homosexual community has made it a point to attack the institution of marriage and family. And don't give me shit about Johnnie having two moms or two dads. It is biologically impossible. Little Johnnie was made from a man and a woman.

Little Johnny could also be created in a science laboratory in a petri dish - your point?


How about you prove it isn't? Try to change the opinion he is entitled to.

So you expect me to prove that homosexuality is natural, yet you don't believe you have to prove it is unnatural?


They already have equal rights. What you want is special rights. A man cannot marry a man. Heterosexual or homosexual. That is called equal rights.

Homosexuals do not have equal rights. Homosexuals can be denied the right to visit their partners in hospital because they are not considered 'family'. Homosexuals are not entitled access to their partners superannuation on their passing. Homosexuals are not entitled to the same benefits given to heterosexual couples. Homosexuals are denied employment because of their sexuality, need I say more?


Do some research on how Africans think they can cure themselve of AIDS by having sex with newborns and/or young children. Homosexual? No. Stupid and need to be educated? Yes. Will 15 billion of my tax dollars stop it? No.

I have done my research, thank you. I am well aware that Africans are of the belief they can cure themselves of AIDS by having sex with infants.
The subject of homosexuals and AIDS was brought up, I was merely pointing out that AIDS is not a homosexual disease.

[82Marine89]

Little Johnny could also be created in a science laboratory in a petri dish - your point?

Still took a man and a woman to create.


So you expect me to prove that homosexuality is natural, yet you don't believe you have to prove it is unnatural?

Whether his opinion is educated or not, you want him to provide proof. I simply asked you to prove it wasn't deviant in an effort to change his opinion.


Homosexuals do not have equal rights. Homosexuals can be denied the right to visit their partners in hospital because they are not considered 'family'. Homosexuals are not entitled access to their partners superannuation on their passing. Homosexuals are not entitled to the same benefits given to heterosexual couples. Homosexuals are denied employment because of their sexuality, need I say more?

(1)They're not family and in todays socity they are allowed to be with their partner at the hospital. (2) A will covers anything upon death. (3) Homosexuals can't marry which again was covered in my first statement.


I have done my research, thank you. I am well aware that Africans are of the belief they can cure themselves of AIDS by having sex with infants.
The subject of homosexuals and AIDS was brought up, I was merely pointing out that AIDS is not a homosexual disease.

You're welcome and I never said it was.

[My Winter Storm]

Still took a man and a woman to create.


I seem to recall a news report...might have been in Britain, scientists believe they can create an embryo using nothing more than an egg from two females - no sperm involved. What do you say to this?


Whether his opinion is educated or not, you want him to provide proof. I simply asked you to prove it wasn't deviant in an effort to change his opinion

Homosexuality is becoming more and more accepted in society. More and more countries are allowing homosexuals to marry. I ask why they shouldn't be accepted.


(1)They're not family and in todays socity they are allowed to be with their partner at the hospital. (2) A will covers anything upon death. (3) Homosexuals can't marry which again was covered in my first statement.

The fiance's and girlfriends/boyfriends of heterosexuals are not family eithor, yet they are permitted to visit their partners in hospital.
Not even has a will - in fact, most people seem to not be bothered with one, which causes much arguement after their passing.
If homosexuals could marry, they would be entitled to much more than they currently are.