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red states rule
04-09-2008, 06:54 AM
So much for the global warming hysteria and false theories that try to explain a natural occurance


Critic cites stats -- Earth cooling down, not warming up
Pete Chagnon - OneNewsNow - 2/25/2008 10:30:00 AM

A prominent global-warming critic says many scientists believe that this winter's weather could point to a future cooling trend.

Marc Morano is the resident authority on global warming with the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works minority staff. He says according to records kept by the United Nations, global average temperatures peaked during the El Nino year of 1998 -- and that since 2001, the temperature trend has declined slightly.

According to Morano, despite the continued pumping of CO2 into the atmosphere, the southern hemisphere has also experienced a cooling trend; and in the northern hemisphere, January 2008, by some estimates, was the coldest month in more than a decade.

"Solar scientists are worried about the lows," he says. "They're calling it the 'disturbingly quiet solar cycle.' And we're faced with again just a lack of years ... of temperatures just sort of 'plateau-ing out' to the point where the head of the U.N. IPCC [Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change] has recently called for an investigation as to why temperatures were not continuing to rise as predicted."

Morano also notes that between 1940 and 1975, the earth's temperature cooled even though CO2 levels rose. And global warming alarmists, he notes, have failed to explain the lack of a correlation between rising CO2 and rising temperatures, a theory that Al Gore promotes in his movie An Inconvenient Truth.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=68277

Hobbit
04-09-2008, 12:08 PM
Get with the times, RSR, it's not 'global warming' any more. It's 'global climate change.' Didn't you know that the Earth is like a thermostat? If the temperature changes at all, it's because you did something wrong.

red states rule
04-09-2008, 12:12 PM
Get with the times, RSR, it's not 'global warming' any more. It's 'global climate change.' Didn't you know that the Earth is like a thermostat? If the temperature changes at all, it's because you did something wrong.

I am sorry. I can't keep up with the libs changing the details of the crisis

In HS a lib SS teacher held up the Newsweek on global cooling

Then about 15 years later it was called global warming

Now, as you point out, it is climate change

I do love it when snow cancels the Global Warming hearings in DC

TheStripey1
04-10-2008, 05:04 PM
I am sorry. I can't keep up with the libs changing the details of the crisis

In HS a lib SS teacher held up the Newsweek on global cooling

Then about 15 years later it was called global warming

Now, as you point out, it is climate change

I do love it when snow cancels the Global Warming hearings in DC

maybe you haven't heard... considering where you keep your head, it is totally understandable... but the Pentagon has plans to deal with Global Climate Change...

heard about it?



Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver)

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

...snip



so tell me, rsr, are those folks at the pentagon all liberals?

TheStripey1
04-10-2008, 05:06 PM
different source:

Storm over Pentagon climate scenario
Consultants present worst-case view: warming, then sudden cooling
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4379905/)

TheStripey1
04-10-2008, 05:07 PM
maybe you don't like msnbc... how about Fortune?

The Pentagon's Weather Nightmare The climate could change radically, and fast. That would be the mother of all national security issues.

(http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/index.htm)

red states rule
04-10-2008, 05:08 PM
Tell me more about global warming. It is Spring and we have this weather update

To bad the waeather is not living up to the hysteria of the global warming nuts


UPDATED: Snow will start abruptly and hard
Duluth News Tribune
Published Thursday, April 10, 2008

Snow is expected to start abruptly and hard in the Twin Ports by about 8 p.m. tonight with up to 15 inches on the ground by the time snow ends early Saturday.

Higher amounts, up to 20 inches and more, are possible in the higher elevations around Lake Superior.

A broad area of central Minnesota and Northwestern Wisconsin will see up to a foot of new snow that will continue on into the Upper Peninsula.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/articles/index.cfm?id=64182&section=homepage&freebie_check&CFID=24835027&CFTOKEN=99029820&jsessionid=88303207d5504377f281

TheStripey1
04-10-2008, 05:14 PM
Maybe you haven't heard considering where you keep your head, but Chuck Hagel is a republican...



Bill ties climate to national security
Seeks assessments by CIA, Pentagon
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/04/09/bill_ties_climate_to_national_security/)

By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | April 9, 2007

WASHINGTON -- The CIA and Pentagon would for the first time be required to assess the national security implications of climate change under proposed legislation intended to elevate global warming to a national defense issue.

The bipartisan proposal, which its sponsors expect to pass the Congress with wide support, calls for the director of national intelligence to conduct the first-ever "national intelligence estimate" on global warming.

The effort would include pinpointing the regions at highest risk of humanitarian suffering and assessing the likelihood of wars erupting over diminishing water and other resources.

The measure also would order the Pentagon to undertake a series of war games to determine how global climate change could affect US security, including "direct physical threats to the United States posed by extreme weather events such as hurricanes."

The growing attention to global warming as a national security issue could open new avenues of support for tougher efforts to limit greenhouse gases, according to specialists.

"If you get the intelligence community to apply some of its analytic capabilities to this issue, it could be compelling to whoever is sitting in the White House," said Anne Harrington , director of the committee on international security at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington. "If the White House does not absorb the independent scientific expertise, then maybe something from the intelligence community might have more weight."

The measure, sponsored by Senator Chuck Hagel , a Nebraska Republican, and Senator Richard J. Durbin , an Illinois Democrat, comes as other international bodies are taking steps to designate global warming as a high international priority

...snip



Is Senator Hagel a liberal too? or are you just fixated on liberals? Why do you hate liberals? Jesus was a liberal... do you hate him too?

red states rule
04-10-2008, 05:15 PM
Chucky is a RINO and he is wrong on this issue as well

Global warming is a hoax and a scam

TheStripey1
04-10-2008, 05:18 PM
I ask you this question from time to time but you have never once answered it...

You say Global Climate Change is a natural occurance... so... How many people died last time it happened due to the rising seas? How many were displaced? How many cities had to relocate? How many died because of the famines caused by failed crops? How many died in the wars that ensued due to the changing environment? Hmmm, rsr? How many?

What we need to do is figure out how to cope with the coming disasters... or we could do what you do... keep our heads up our asses... is that YOUR plan, rsr?

red states rule
04-10-2008, 05:21 PM
I ask you this question from time to time but you have never once answered it...

You say Global Climate Change is a natural occurance... so... How many people died last time it happened due to the rising seas? How many were displaced? How many cities had to relocate? How many died because of the famines caused by failed crops? How many died in the wars that ensued due to the changing environment? Hmmm, rsr? How many?

What we need to do is figure out how to cope with the coming disasters... or we could do what you do... keep our heads up our asses... is that YOUR plan, rsr?

The only disaster is having to listen to the global wamring nuts as they spread their hysteria in the face of evidence that proves them wrong

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/

If there is such a huge "crisis" why do the ones who rant the most about global warming do not change their lifestyle and energy consumption?

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/

red states rule
04-10-2008, 05:22 PM
Al Gore at his best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZrhG2iT3H0

April15
04-10-2008, 05:27 PM
Considering that the polar ice is melting faster than in recorded history I can see a cooling of the earth. That the levels of the oceans has risen I am even more convinced because of all the extra water the earth has to cool off!

red states rule
04-10-2008, 05:29 PM
Considering that the polar ice is melting faster than in recorded history I can see a cooling of the earth. That the levels of the oceans has risen I am even more convinced because of all the extra water the earth has to cool off!

I am so sorry to bust your bubble, but.............


September 15, 2007
Expanding ice caps...
John Hinderaker:

You've no doubt read about the shrinking ice cap at the North Pole, and the plight of the polar bears there. It's less likely that you've heard that in the meantime, the ice cap at the South Pole has been expanding, and just recently reached its largest extent since measurements began in 1979.

I compared Google News searches for "ice cap 'north pole'" and "ice cap 'south pole.'" The North Pole stories were all about the shrinking ice cap there as evidence of global warming. I couldn't find a single news story about the expanding ice cap at the South Pole. This strikes me as a pretty good illustration of how the conventional story line about Earth's climate drives news reporting...

Neither North nor South Poles are definitive evidence in themselves. Climate change would not be linear. But this is sure powerful evidence of what a bunch of frauds our news-media are.

The whole globo-warming debate is warped because a LOT of things are not being mentioned. Things that would cause the little people—you and me— to possibly fail to reach the conclusions deemed appropriate by our elite would-be masters. For instance, 99% of the Greenhouse Effect on Earth is caused by water vapor. And lucky we are that it is; we'd be pretty cold without it. We'd all be living in the "Antarctic."

http://www.randomjottings.net/archives/003023.html

manu1959
04-10-2008, 05:30 PM
Considering that the polar ice is melting faster than in recorded history I can see a cooling of the earth. That the levels of the oceans has risen I am even more convinced because of all the extra water the earth has to cool off!

they cancelled the opening baby harp seal clubbing this year because the ice was too thick.....

red states rule
04-10-2008, 05:37 PM
they cancelled the opening baby harp seal clubbing this year because the ice was too thick.....

Global warming is really gretting bad folks


Headline: 'Cold Wave in India Attributed to Global Warming'
By Noel Sheppard | February 13, 2008 - 13:07 ET

Imagine yourself as a big time editor, and somebody brings you an article with the headline, "Cold Wave in India Attributed to Global Warming."

Wouldn't you strongly suggest a rewrite?

Well, no such sanity occurred at the Indian website Sify on Tuesday.

Instead, that preposterous title actually did get published atop an article of equally absurd and hypocritical content

Mumbai: The recent cold wave sweeping across Mumbai and other parts of India could be attributed to global warming, experts said on Tuesday here at an environmental conference.
Addressing the ‘Combat Global Warming’ conference at the Indian Merchants Chamber (IMC) here, former Union minister for power and environment Suresh Prabhu said global warming was primarily a problem created and induced by human beings.

He said the increase in emission of green house gases like carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxide and methane had resulted in the situation, which could prove catastrophic if unchecked.

Prabhu said the cold wave that swept Maharashtra and other parts of India recently could be attributed to the phenomenon of global warming.

Astounding, wouldn't you agree?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/02/13/headline-cold-wave-india-attributed-global-warming

and

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14603730

manu1959
04-10-2008, 06:00 PM
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/ ... global warming ? or flawed data. Our satellites have shown that the earth has been cooling for the last 7 years
http://www.icecap.us/ ... clearing house for global cooling data
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html ... more of an influence that the IPCC will admit

red states rule
04-10-2008, 06:05 PM
Global warming ended ten years ago

Who will break the new to Al Gore?

Inconvenient Truth: Global Warming Ended Ten Years Ago
By James Murray | March 22, 2008 - 14:15 ET

Despite the more hysterical predictions we've heard of late, the evidence continues to mount that if the earth was warming, it stopped quite some time ago.

Of course, don't expect this fact to be widely reported, if it indeed even makes it into any U.S. newspapers or television broadcasts.

Read the entire interview from The Australian, but a couple of admissions are quite striking:

Catastrophic predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.

Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.

Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth still warming?"

She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."

Al Gore? Any reaction? Hello? Anyone home? <!--break-->

A great many founts of authority, from the Royal Society to the UN, most heads of government along with countless captains of industry, learned professors, commentators and journalists will be profoundly embarrassed. Let us hope it is a prolonged and chastening experience.

Wishful thinking, perhaps. More like they'll just change the subject. One thing about proponents of the global warming scam is they'll never admit they were wrong. They would never be able to regain any credibility, so don't wait around for them to admit they were incorrect.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/james-murray/2008/03/22/inconvenient-truth-global-warming-ended-ten-years-ago


and
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

April15
04-10-2008, 07:49 PM
they cancelled the opening baby harp seal clubbing this year because the ice was too thick.....Good for the seals!

manu1959
04-10-2008, 09:14 PM
Good for the seals!

they got em a few days later

MtnBiker
04-10-2008, 09:33 PM
Good for the seals!

How do you feel about ducks?


Cold weather took toll on ducks as thick ice seals up their feeding areas March 20, 2008

Blame it on a winter that started mild and suddenly got cold, and on increased numbers of ducks with limited dietary preferences and a poor sense of when it's time to get out of Dodge.

The result is that hundreds and perhaps thousands of canvasback and redhead ducks have starved to death because thick ice on Lake St. Clair covers the wild celery that forms a crucial part of their winter diet

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/SPORTS10/803200375/1217/sports

red states rule
04-11-2008, 05:29 AM
How do you feel about ducks?


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/SPORTS10/803200375/1217/sports


Where are all the global warming nuts at?

red states rule
04-11-2008, 06:30 AM
I found some global warming nuts in - gasp - Hollywood


Hollywood Agenda:’ Day The Earth Stood Still’ Remake Is All About Global Warming!
By Warner Todd Huston | April 10, 2008 - 16:18 ET

Remember the iconic 1951 Cold War era film, “The Day the Earth Stood Still”? It was a black and white film starring Michael Rennie as Klaatu, an alien who came to Earth to warn our warring nations that a galactic police force had deemed the world a “danger” to intelligent life everywhere and that we faced annihilation unless we acted nice. It was one of the classic, dystopian films with a utopian message. If only we could all just get along! Well, true to the axiom that there isn’t anything new in Hollywood, it is being remade as a Keanu Reeves vehicle (that’s Hollywood talk for “starring Keanu Reeves").

Now, the original film was all about love for your fellow man, ending war, planting daisies and a being nice little Earthling… or Klaatu and his trusty robot Gort will blow you up. As the Cold War was looming in the minds of the civilized nations and MAD* had set the table for “doomsday clocks” and backyard bomb shelters, the original “Day” was a timely, if not a bit hamhanded, epic with a message. The title character, Klaatu, when hiding as a human, even took the name “Mr. Carpenter” as an allegory to Christ. Naturally, the bad, bad humans martyred the kindly “Mr. Carpenter” in the end. It was all very much geared for its time.

Well, as mentioned, they are now about to remake “Day” and they have searched the world over for a new timely message to expound upon. Is it that we still have too many people on this planet living in poverty? Is it that we still lamentably have regimes that use force and tyranny against their people? Is it that war is still all too common? Could these things be why the new “Day” film will posit that a powerful alien race wants to just erase humanity like a bad virus?

Nah. As far as the new “Day” movie goes, these powerful aliens are mad at us not because we are mean to each other, not because we might then bring that meanness with us into outer space. No, the important message that the Keanu Klaatu wants to bring us, the message that will warn us of an apocalyptic impending alien police action is….

Global warming.

That’s right folks, apparently the new “Day” movie is positing that the worst thing man has done, the one thing that will make an alien race ponder our destruction, is that we caused global warming.

Why, exactly, any alien race would care that we are supposedly causing our own world to die is anybodies guess. At least in the original the alien's reason to consider destroying us all is because we might have infected their idyllic existence with our human pugnacity and violence. At least that is somewhat believable -- though, it always begged the question that if peace was their goal, why did the aliens have to do it at the point of a gun and threats of genocide, but whatever
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/04/10/hollywood-agenda-day-earth-stood-still-remake-all-about-global-w

red states rule
04-11-2008, 10:42 AM
This is for the morons who gave Al Gore money to buy those worthless carbin offsets for Al's own company


Gore Admits Financial 'Stake' In Advancing Global Warming Hysteria
By Noel Sheppard | April 11, 2008 - 09:38 ET

For years, NewsBusters has reported on Al Gore's financial interests in advancing global warming hysteria around the world.

On March 1, while speaking at the TED Conference in Monterey, California, the Nobel Laureate admitted to having "a stake" in a number of green "investments" that he recommended attendees put money in rather than "sub-prime carbon assets" like "tar sands" and "shale oil."

This occurred as pictures of such products appeared on the screen with names of the companies involved

There are a lot of great investments you can make. If you are investing in tar sands, or shale oil, then you have a portfolio that is crammed with sub-prime carbon assets. And it is based on an old model. Junkies find veins in their toes when the ones in their arms and their legs collapse. Developing tar sands and coal shale is the equivalent. Here are just a few of the investments I personally think make sense. I have a stake in these so I’ll have a disclaimer there. But geo-thermal concentrating solar, advanced photovoltaics, efficiency, and conservation.

As Gore spoke these words, pictures of electric cars, windmills and solar panels appeared in multiple slides on the screen with company names at the bottom such as Amyris (biofuels), Altra (biofuels), Bloom Energy (solid oxide fuel cells), Mascoma (cellulosic biofuels), GreatPoint Energy (catalytic gasification), Miasole (solar cells), Ausra (utility scale solar panels), GEM (battery operated cars), Smart (electric cars), and AltaRock Energy (geothermal power).

As such, like an investment advisor or stock broker giving a seminar to prospects and clients, Al Gore was actively recommending people put money in companies he already has a financial stake in.

And, as he tours the world demanding nations stop burning fossil fuels, he will financially benefit if they follow his advice and move to technologies that he has already invested in.

I'm sure the sycophantic climate alarmists in the media will be all over this in the days to come...not!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/11/gore-admits-financial-reasons-advancing-global-warming-hysteria

gabosaurus
04-15-2008, 05:29 PM
You are offering a statement from an acknowledged critic of global warming, as printed on a right-wing site, as "proof" that it is not happening?
Duh..... :laugh2:

red states rule
04-15-2008, 06:32 PM
You are offering a statement from an acknowledged critic of global warming, as printed on a right-wing site, as "proof" that it is not happening?
Duh..... :laugh2:

As usual Gabby, you have done a remarkable job of debating the facts presented

gabosaurus
04-15-2008, 08:47 PM
What facts? You haven't present any. Just some right-wing loony bending the truth.

red states rule
04-15-2008, 08:50 PM
What facts? You haven't present any. Just some right-wing loony bending the truth.

Sorry Gabby, the stats show the Earth has cooled. You can stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to listen if you want

gabosaurus
04-15-2008, 09:01 PM
What "stats"? There are countless proven statements by respected scientists and geologists who dispute the "stats" put forth by the tools of the Bushies and their oil interest buddies.

red states rule
04-15-2008, 09:03 PM
What "stats"? There are countless proven statements by respected scientists and geologists who dispute the "stats" put forth by the tools of the Bushies and their oil interest buddies.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm

Global warming is a scam Gabby

gabosaurus
04-15-2008, 09:08 PM
Another right wing site?

I think what passes for your brain has experienced unchecked warming. :rolleyes:

red states rule
04-15-2008, 09:15 PM
Another right wing site?

I think what passes for your brain has experienced unchecked warming. :rolleyes:

Gabby anything that goes against your predtermined view is dismissed as right wing propaganda

So far not one of the enviro kook predictions have true over the last 30 years

emmett
04-15-2008, 11:49 PM
So much for the global warming hysteria and false theories that try to explain a natural occurance


Critic cites stats -- Earth cooling down, not warming up
Pete Chagnon - OneNewsNow - 2/25/2008 10:30:00 AM

A prominent global-warming critic says many scientists believe that this winter's weather could point to a future cooling trend.

Marc Morano is the resident authority on global warming with the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works minority staff. He says according to records kept by the United Nations, global average temperatures peaked during the El Nino year of 1998 -- and that since 2001, the temperature trend has declined slightly.

According to Morano, despite the continued pumping of CO2 into the atmosphere, the southern hemisphere has also experienced a cooling trend; and in the northern hemisphere, January 2008, by some estimates, was the coldest month in more than a decade.

"Solar scientists are worried about the lows," he says. "They're calling it the 'disturbingly quiet solar cycle.' And we're faced with again just a lack of years ... of temperatures just sort of 'plateau-ing out' to the point where the head of the U.N. IPCC [Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change] has recently called for an investigation as to why temperatures were not continuing to rise as predicted."

Morano also notes that between 1940 and 1975, the earth's temperature cooled even though CO2 levels rose. And global warming alarmists, he notes, have failed to explain the lack of a correlation between rising CO2 and rising temperatures, a theory that Al Gore promotes in his movie An Inconvenient Truth.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=68277

RSR, this is all hogwash and you know it. The REAL reason that the earth is cooling is because Al Gore's kid lost his drivers license and just the absence of the fumes that usually came froim his exhaust pipe alone have cooled the earth 3 degrees in less than a year.

red states rule
04-16-2008, 06:24 AM
Paul Ehrlich is one the envir wackos who was praised by the liberal media, who made many dire predictions that never happened

The current doom and gloomers are clones of Mr Ehrlich


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It is a matter of record that Paul Ehrlich has a consistent history of failed predictions; a good source is the book Eco-Scam by Ronald Bailey (St. Martins Press, New York, 1993), with over two dozen references to Ehrlich. In his 1969 article "Eco-Catastrophe!" Ehrlich predicted the following: the oceans dead from DDT poisoning by 1979 and devoid of fish; 200,000 deaths from "smog disasters" in New York and Los Angeles in 1973; U.S. life expectancy dropping to 42 years by 1980 because of pesticide-induced cancers, with U.S. population declining to 22.6 million by 1999 (!), and so on.

http://www.sepp.org/key%20issues/misuse/failpred.html