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LiberalNation
04-20-2008, 08:31 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080420/ap_on_re_us/the_gun_wars


HARTFORD, Conn. - No weapon is more important to tens of thousands of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan than the carbine rifle. And for well over a decade, the military has relied on one company, Colt Defense of Hartford, Conn., to make the M4s they trust with their lives.

Now, as Congress considers spending millions more on the guns, this exclusive arrangement is being criticized as a bad deal for American forces as well as taxpayers, according to interviews and research conducted by The Associated Press.

"What we have is a fat contractor in Colt who's gotten very rich off our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan," says Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.

The M4, which can fire at a rate of 700 to 950 bullets a minute, is a shorter and lighter version of the company's M16 rifle first used 40 years ago during the Vietnam War. It normally carries a 30-round magazine. At about $1,500 apiece, the M4 is overpriced, according to Coburn. It jams too often in sandy environments like Iraq, he adds, and requires far more maintenance than more durable carbines.

"And if you tend to have the problem at the wrong time, you're putting your life on the line," says Coburn, who began examining the M4's performance last year after receiving complaints from soldiers. "The fact is, the American GI today doesn't have the best weapon. And they ought to."

U.S. military officials don't agree. They call the M4 an excellent carbine. When the time comes to replace the M4, they want a combat rifle that is leaps and bounds beyond what's currently available.

"There's not a weapon out there that's significantly better than the M4," says Col. Robert Radcliffe, director of combat developments at the Army Infantry Center in Fort Benning, Ga.


"All I know is, we're not having the competition, and the technology that is out there is not in the hands of our troops," says Jack Keane, a former Army general who pushed unsuccessfully for an M4 replacement before retiring four years ago.

Keane, the retired Army general, knows how difficult it is to develop and deliver a brand-new rifle to the troops. As vice chief of staff, the Army's second highest-ranking officer, Keane pushed for the acquisition of a carbine called the XM8.

The futuristic-looking rifle was designed by Heckler & Koch. According to Keane, the XM8 represented the gains made in firearms technology over the past 40 years.

The XM8 would cost less and operate far longer without being lubricated or cleaned than the M4 could, Heckler & Koch promised. The project became bogged down by bureaucracy, however. In 2005, after $33 million had been invested, the XM8 was shelved. A subsequent audit by the Pentagon inspector general concluded the program didn't follow the military's strict acquisition rules.

Keane blames a bloated and risk-averse bureaucracy for the XM8's demise.

82Marine89
04-20-2008, 08:48 PM
I would carry an AR-10A2 (http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=10A2C&Category=f4bd4a13-55d1-41aa-aea0-49488ec48776) if given a choice.

rppearso
04-21-2008, 10:23 AM
I would carry an AR-10A2 (http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=10A2C&Category=f4bd4a13-55d1-41aa-aea0-49488ec48776) if given a choice.

This is the same thing as the M4 except it shoots a .308 and is heavier. I went with a HK91, the HK G36 is also a really nice weapon. The only problem with HK weapons is if you think a AR-15/10 whatever is expensive price out an HK ..... if you can find one.

manu1959
04-21-2008, 10:28 AM
well the us military gave colts plans to competitors then got sued by colt for 70 mill and decided it was cheaper to give them a long term contract.....

there are better rifles out there and special forces who are allowed to select their weapons prove that when they did not pick the colt....