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NATO AIR
05-16-2008, 08:15 AM
I did not realize this..

Republicans' fight against tax realities
Steve Chapman

May 15, 2008

In the 1980s, a Republican House member, fed up with bipartisan efforts to reduce the budget deficit, denounced Republican Sen. Bob Dole as the "tax collector for the welfare state." Newt Gingrich, who later became House speaker, had captured something essential about the party's mood. It was not against the welfare state. It was just against paying for it.

That remains the case today, as John McCain and his supporters make clear. He rules out tax increases to cut the deficit, while vowing to get tough on spending. But the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget says that while his proposals would slow the growth of spending, total outlays would still rise faster than inflation. Result: a larger deficit.

Republicans used to argue that keeping taxes down was the only way to restrain spending. But as taxes have been cut under President Bush, spending has soared by 29 percent (after adjustment for inflation). Meanwhile, a $236 billion budget surplus has morphed into a deficit of more than $400 billion.

If we want to cut federal spending, apparently we have to do it directly. And if we don't want to cut spending, the least we can do is pay for it ourselves instead of running up debts for our children to pay.

But Republicans object to raising taxes in general, and one in particular: the tax on capital gains. Barack Obama's plan to increase the rate applied to the sale of assets has provoked howls of outrage on the right.

McCain said it proves Obama "doesn't understand the economy." An editorial in The Wall Street Journal claimed that lower rates yield higher revenues and drew a damning conclusion: "Either the young Illinois senator is ignorant of this revenue data, or he doesn't really care because he's a true income redistributionist who prefers high tax rates as a matter of ideological dogma regardless of the revenue consequences."

You don't have to be a Democrat to doubt that logic. Conservatives regard Obama as a true-blue liberal who itches to expand the size of the federal government. Do they think he would forfeit money to do that just for spite?

As it happens, Obama is the one who is heeding data rather than ideology. Most economists believe that in the long run, the 2003 cut in the capital gains rate reduced revenue rather than raising it. For that matter, even the Bush administration's budget admits as much. Keeping the rate at 15 percent rather than letting it revert to 20 percent, it estimates, would cause a revenue loss of $79 billion over the next decade.

More at the link.....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0515chapmanmay15,0,5047820,print.column

Joe Steel
05-16-2008, 09:43 AM
It's a sad fact lost to Republicans...tax cuts cut revenue. Supply-side is bunk.

The US Constitution established government to do things and that takes money. That's why the first of the so-called enumerated powers includes the power to tax without so much as a hint of an obligation to keep taxes low.

Tax and spend is the American Way.

theHawk
05-16-2008, 09:51 AM
The idea of not wanting to raise taxes it to keep the economy going. If you raise taxes, it will hurt the economy period. The government getting its hands on more of the people's money does not help the economy at all.

Here's an idea, eleminate all the entitlement programs the government has to pay for the deficit.

Let me guess...the deficit isn't that much of a priority for Dems.

PostmodernProphet
05-16-2008, 09:54 AM
this is an area in which I have a fair amount of knowledge, as one of my businesses deals in IRS exempt 1031 property exchanges.....

when capital gains taxes are high, the economy stagnates.....people are reluctant to sell assets because they want to avoid paying the gains tax......

if someone sells a $500k piece of real estate, they use the money to buy something else or they bank it.....if they bank it, the money becomes available for loans, if they spend it, the next person uses the money to buy something else or they bank it, etc.......

every $100k from the sale of a parcel of real estate generates $750k in the local economy before it finally "settles"......raising capital gains taxes reduces the money moving in the local economy, lowering capital gains taxes increases money moving in the local economy......

money moving in the local economy generates taxable income.....the taxes earned on the $750K income far exceeds the gains tax on the $100k sale.....

thus, reducing capital gains taxes generates more taxes than it loses.........

Joe Steel
05-17-2008, 07:22 AM
this is an area in which I have a fair amount of knowledge, as one of my businesses deals in IRS exempt 1031 property exchanges.....

when capital gains taxes are high, the economy stagnates.....people are reluctant to sell assets because they want to avoid paying the gains tax......

if someone sells a $500k piece of real estate, they use the money to buy something else or they bank it.....if they bank it, the money becomes available for loans, if they spend it, the next person uses the money to buy something else or they bank it, etc.......

every $100k from the sale of a parcel of real estate generates $750k in the local economy before it finally "settles"......raising capital gains taxes reduces the money moving in the local economy, lowering capital gains taxes increases money moving in the local economy......

money moving in the local economy generates taxable income.....the taxes earned on the $750K income far exceeds the gains tax on the $100k sale.....

thus, reducing capital gains taxes generates more taxes than it loses.........

That's just not so.

Studies prove it. Read the linked article and do some research. Tax revenues are not drive by 1031 exchanges.