How Proud The Dems Must Be.......

[Sitarro]

You guys must love this woman......... :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/05/23/maxine-waters-socialize-the-oil-companies/

[Joe Steel]

You guys must love this woman.........

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/05/23/maxine-waters-socialize-the-oil-companies/

We do.

Naitonalizing the oil companies would be a good thing.

[avatar4321]

We do.

Naitonalizing the oil companies would be a good thing.

I guess it would be if you want gas prices three times higher than they are now.

[Joe Steel]

I guess it would be if you want gas prices three times higher than they are now.

Utter nonsense.

Nationalizing the oil industry would eliminate price gouging and speculation. Prices would fall to the level of legitimate cost.

[Nukeman]

Utter nonsense.

Nationalizing the oil industry would eliminate price gouging and speculation. Prices would fall to the level of legitimate cost.

I suppose you would use Hugo Chaveze as a role model for the way it should be run/taken over.

If so you really should look into how they are fairing at the moment.

[retiredman]

Gas at PEMEX stations is 30% less than here. That's a fact. PEMEX is a nationalized oil industry.

[Nukeman]

Gas at PEMEX stations is 30% less than here. That's a fact. PEMEX is a nationalized oil industry.They may pay less for their gas but they dont alwys recieve what they pay for. the PEMEX stations have been investigated for years of selling 900ml per liter or selling 3/4 gas to 1/4 water, just to make sure it meets the weight requirement. I will also point out that they are not on the best of financial terms at the moment. You may see an increase in price to make up the loss..



PEMEX, despite its current $77 billion in revenue, pays high taxes that contribute with a large portion of the budget of the federal government. Indeed, in recent years the company has only been able to make ends meet through massive borrowing, so that it now owes a staggering $42.5 billion, including $24 billion in off-balance-sheet debt because the Mexican government treats the company as a major source of revenue. the bold part is of particular interest. do you not think the US government given the opportunity would do the same??

[Sitarro]

We do.

Naitonalizing the oil companies would be a good thing.

She said socialize. The government run the oil companies, really? Most aren't American owned dimwit, you would be proud of that egghead.

[hjmick]

The government can barely run the country, yet some folks want them in charge of healthcare, our retirement, and now the oil industry? Uh, yeah...right. :rolleyes:


Got Socialism?

http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs13/300W/f/2007/042/e/d/Socialism_by_miniamericanflags.jpg

[avatar4321]

Utter nonsense.

Nationalizing the oil industry would eliminate price gouging and speculation. Prices would fall to the level of legitimate cost.

Nationalized industries are inefficient. Inefficient industries are much more costly than efficient ones. For example, federalizing the employees would cause so many financial problems its not funny.

Not only that, I don't trust Washington politicians to set low prices rather than to gouge the people themselves.

So if you have any sort of real evidence, feel free to present it. But history has been pretty clear about the governments record at running any industry.

how many people have to die before you wackos stop trying to control everything?

[hjmick]

how many people have to die before you wackos stop trying to control everything?

All of them.

[Joe Steel]

She said socialize. The government run the oil companies, really? Most aren't American owned dimwit, you would be proud of that egghead.

Try again, dumbass.

She meant "nationalize" and the current ownership is irrelevant. "Nationalize" means involuntary conversion.

[Kathianne]

Utter nonsense.

Nationalizing the oil industry would eliminate price gouging and speculation. Prices would fall to the level of legitimate cost.

You do have links that prove both of these, right? Please post them.

[Yurt]

Try again, dumbass.

She meant "nationalize" and the current ownership is irrelevant. "Nationalize" means involuntary conversion.

i did not realize hugo chavez posted here

[midcan5]

how many people have to die before you wackos stop trying to control everything?

Kinda curious seeing as we control everything in life in one way or another. Name something that could be allowed complete freedom?

[retiredman]

You do have links that prove both of these, right? Please post them.

why do people ignore the fact that the mexican oil industry, which IS nationalized, puts gasoline at the pump for mexican consumers at 30% less than gas prices in the US.

[Yurt]

the socialists want to dismantle our republic...traitors

[Kathianne]

why do people ignore the fact that the mexican oil industry, which IS nationalized, puts gasoline at the pump for mexican consumers at 30% less than gas prices in the US.

and that has what relation to what I asked and you quoted? Spell it out.

[retiredman]

and that has what relation to what I asked and you quoted? Spell it out.


explain why the nationalized oil industry offers gas at 30% lower prices than the US...

[Sitarro]

why do people ignore the fact that the mexican oil industry, which IS nationalized, puts gasoline at the pump for mexican consumers at 30% less than gas prices in the US.

So now we have a super dem telling us that we need to use the Mexican government as an example to follow.......... you guys sure have your shit together, now I understand your man-love for Obamessiah.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Next time you see that faggot, be sure to suggest that he use that in his platform.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[hjmick]

Try again, dumbass.

She meant "nationalize" and the current ownership is irrelevant. "Nationalize" means involuntary conversion.

She said "socialize," she meant "socialize." To my knowledge she has not come out and corrected her statement, and until she does, she said what she meant. I don't imagine anyone here has the ability to read minds, which means we are all left to take these moronic politicians at their word.

[Little-Acorn]

I guess it would be if you want gas prices three times higher than they are now.

What would it matter how high the price was, if deliveries tapered off and the gas pumps ran dry?

BTW, "nationalize" means "steal".

But since little joesteel feels nationalizing is such a good idea (though he can't even spell it), I move that we nationalize his assets. Take his computer, for starters. Surely there is a poor high school or college student somewhere who can make better use of it than he does. And if he buys another, nationalize that one too. There are LOTS of poor students.

This would be one of the rare times when nationalization genuinely WOULD create a better situation for us all. :D :D :D

.

[Joe Steel]

She said "socialize," she meant "socialize." To my knowledge she has not come out and corrected her statement, and until she does, she said what she meant. I don't imagine anyone here has the ability to read minds, which means we are all left to take these moronic politicians at their word.

Try again, dumbass.

She said: "And guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal would be all about socializing -- er, uh. [Pauses for several moments] .... would be about ... basically ... taking over, and the government running all of your companies."

"(T)taking over, and the government running all of your companies" is the definition of nationalization.

[Joe Steel]

What would it matter how high the price was, if deliveries tapered off and the gas pumps ran dry?

BTW, "nationalize" means "steal".

Try again, dumbass.

Stealing is unlawful taking of something of value. When the government nationlizes something, it does it by law. The taking, therefore, is not unlawful.

You're amazingly ignorant.

I can accept your ignorance but your insistence on displaying it has me baffled.

[Yurt]

Try again, dumbass.

Stealing is unlawful taking of something of value. When the government nationlizes something, it does it by law. The taking, therefore, is not unlawful.

You're amazingly ignorant.

I can accept your ignorance but your insistence on displaying it has me baffled.

by what authority would the US have to nationalize oil?

isn't nationalization a socialist ideal?

[Hagbard Celine]

by what authority would the US have to nationalize oil?

isn't nationalization a socialist ideal?

The voter's authority. You don't think it would just be done by judicial fiat do you? Oh wait, that's how we got Bush for president in 2000. Nevermind. :dance:
Also, who cares if it's a "socialist" idea? Socialism isn't evil, it's just a different political philosophy--one that works in conjuction with democracy by the way--and it's being used successfully in every other industrialized, rich nation on the planet. We're the only mongoloids still tooling around with our non-metric, non-universal healthcare having, non-mass transit having, worth-less currency having, Wal-Mart shopping selves.

[avatar4321]

The voter's authority. You don't think it would just be done by judicial fiat do you? Oh wait, that's how we got Bush for president in 2000. Nevermind. :dance:
Also, who cares if it's a "socialist" idea? Socialism isn't evil, it's just a different political philosophy--one that works in conjuction with democracy by the way--and it's being used successfully in every other industrialized, rich nation on the planet. We're the only mongoloids still tooling around with our non-metric, non-universal healthcare having, non-mass transit having, worth-less currency having, Wal-Mart shopping selves.

where does the constitution state that the voters or the federal government have the authority to run industries?

Socialism has caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and it's not evil? Id hate to see the consequences of something you actually do find evil.

[Hagbard Celine]

where does the constitution state that the voters or the federal government have the authority to run industries?

Socialism has caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and it's not evil? Id hate to see the consequences of something you actually do find evil.

NOT SOCIALISM. Dictators. Socialist policy is quite sound. You'll find it behind the social programs of all of the world's industrialized nations.
Don't be such an ignoramus.
The Constitution gives us the right to vote on issues. If we vote to nationalize an industry, what's not Constitutional about that? Our airline industry used to be nationalized. If I'm not mistaken, our oil industry did too--you've seen where privatization has gotten us. It's been a real great ride for the company executives, but us lowly consumers are kinda getting hosed. Wake up!

[avatar4321]

NOT SOCIALISM. Dictators. Socialist policy is quite sound. You'll find it behind the social programs of all of the world's industrialized nations.
Don't be such an ignoramus.
The Constitution gives us the right to vote on issues. If we vote to nationalize an industry, what's not Constitutional about that? Our airline industry used to be nationalized. If I'm not mistaken, our oil industry did too--you've seen where privatization has gotten us. It's been a real great ride for the company executives, but us lowly consumers are kinda getting hosed. Wake up!

im very much awake. Youre socialist policies have caused the problems we've been facing now. And now you want to make them worse.

At what point do you look at the historical record of socialisms failures and determine that its a lost cause?

Oh and socialism is dictorial by nature. You can't have a free society while being socialist.

[Little-Acorn]

NOT SOCIALISM. Dictators. Socialist policy is quite sound.
But people in a socialist system generally don't want to obey socialist policy. It's a tendency that increases with time. Rather than work harder at something that brings them no additional benefit for it, some slack off while most keep working hard. Later the hard workers notice the slackers, and a few more slack off. Later a few more, etc. The system doesn't collapse suddenly, but merely gets more and more inefficient and unproductive over the years, or even over generations. Then when other problems happen (natural disaster, foreign invasion, etc.) recovery is difficult or impossible when the country has slid far enough into sloth. This is the cause of the repeated failures of socialist economies.

And the only thing the leaders can seem to do about it, is force people to work hard whether they like it or not, whether their pay goes up commensurately or not. In other word, they must rule contrary to the will of the people, rather than in accordance with it. In other words, they must become dictators.

Socialism breeds dictators. But it's not the dictators that bring down the society. Socialist policy, and the disinterest in the population in following it, bring down the society.

Capitalism, with its tendency to (usually) reward hard work and initiative, has it flaws, but that isn't one of them. And so it survives and prospers, however roughly and unevenly, where socialism fails.

[Nukeman]

explain why the nationalized oil industry offers gas at 30% lower prices than the US...
Please see my previous post #7 for information on PEMEX.

As for the reason they offer gas at 30% less than here it is simple economics. They charge what the people can afford! plain and simple. The Mexican economy will only allow for so much of their money to be spent on gasoline so the government charges the max that the people will pay without stretching them too thin.

I will guarantee you that if the US government "socialized/nationalized" the oil industry we would STILL see HIGHER amounts than our neighbors doe to the simple fact we have a higher standard of living and more discretionary income. Unfortunately most people will not look at the broader picture of how our economy works and that of a pseudo third world economy. You really are being disingenuous by comparing the US to Mexico.

[Silver]

why do people ignore the fact that the mexican oil industry, which IS nationalized, puts gasoline at the pump for mexican consumers at 30% less than gas prices in the US.

So us this what the manfrommaine is advocating?

Government takeover of the oil industry? It sounds that way but I'd rather you spell it out clearly....just so you don't get accused of something thats untrue....

And if its good for the oil industry, what other government takeovers would you see as appropriate for the US...???

[retiredman]

So us this what the manfrommaine is advocating?

Government takeover of the oil industry? It sounds that way but I'd rather you spell it out clearly....just so you don't get accused of something thats untrue....

And if its good for the oil industry, what other government takeovers would you see as appropriate for the US...???


I merely ask the questionL why does PEMEX sell THEIR gas at a price that is 30% lower than gas in America? Got an answer for that????

[Yurt]

Please see my previous post #7 for information on PEMEX.

As for the reason they offer gas at 30% less than here it is simple economics. They charge what the people can afford! plain and simple. The Mexican economy will only allow for so much of their money to be spent on gasoline so the government charges the max that the people will pay without stretching them too thin.

I will guarantee you that if the US government "socialized/nationalized" the oil industry we would STILL see HIGHER amounts than our neighbors doe to the simple fact we have a higher standard of living and more discretionary income. Unfortunately most people will not look at the broader picture of how our economy works and that of a pseudo third world economy. You really are being disingenuous by comparing the US to Mexico.

yeah...intellectually dishonest to a tee

[ranger]

We do.

Naitonalizing the oil companies would be a good thing.

Just wait until they nationalize you and see if you feel the same way.

[bullypulpit]

"The Red Menace"...:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

The right is so intellectually bankrupt that they drag the dusty specter of "socialism" and "communism" out of the trash heap of history

[Nukeman]

I merely ask the questionL why does PEMEX sell THEIR gas at a price that is 30% lower than gas in America? Got an answer for that????

Please see post 31, or are you just igonring those answers?

Also see post 7 they both have answers as to "why" PEMEX offer gas at alower rate.

It wont be offering the lower rate for much longer due to the Mexican govt taking thier fair share of the profit, and by fair I mean WAY too damn much....:poke: