Even Andrew Sullivan Is Cautioning Obama

[Kathianne]

The surge is working better than anyone could have foreseen, well at least Sullivan and the anti-war crowd. More power to him, he at least has the honesty to say what needs to be said:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/06/obama-and-iraq.html

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Obama And Iraq

01 Jun 2008 07:59 pm

The WaPo reflects what I've been trying to understand better: the surprising success (after a rocky start) of the Iraqi Army in Basra, the neutralization of the worst parts of the Sadr forces in Sadr City, increasing success in Mosul, and four-year lows in sectarian violence. The caveats are still there and should never be discounted: Sadr's militias are still strong in the shadows, sectarian tensions can still flare up, national reconciliation (with a few recent bright spots) remains elusive, Iran is meddlesome, etc. But that the Maliki government is stronger now than anyone anticipated a few months ago seems beyond doubt. WaPo:


If the positive trends continue, proponents of withdrawing most U.S. troops, such as Mr. Obama, might be able to responsibly carry out further pullouts next year. Still, the likely Democratic nominee needs a plan for Iraq based on sustaining an improving situation, rather than abandoning a failed enterprise. That will mean tying withdrawals to the evolution of the Iraqi army and government, rather than an arbitrary timetable; Iraq's 2009 elections will be crucial. It also should mean providing enough troops and air power to continue backing up Iraqi army operations such as those in Basra and Sadr City. When Mr. Obama floated his strategy for Iraq last year, the United States appeared doomed to defeat. Now he needs a plan for success.

The trap Obama must not be caught in is one of excessive pessimism. Conditions now favor expeditious withdrawal more than they did only a few months ago. But the manner of withdrawal, its pace, and its concomitant diplomacy now require a different cast, and may require an even different one next February and March. None of this means that this war was not a mistake; it does suggest it need not in the medium term be a catastrophe. Petraeus deserves the lion's share of the credit; luck and time and the self-defeating nihilism of the Jihadists have helped. But Bush and McCain equally merit points for pursuing the surge, even though the metrics pointed to failure. Obama needs to capitalize on these gains, not dismiss them.

[Psychoblues]

Are you quoting Mr. Fag, Andrew Sullivan? Did you get a chance to kiss his bride? I am certain any man would suffice for you, kitty.

[actsnoblemartin]

Are you quoting Mr. Fag, Andrew Sullivan? Did you get a chance to kiss his bride? I am certain any man would suffice for you, kitty.

:laugh2:

mr fag, is that the new gay superhero?

[Psychoblues]

Mr. Fag has been a reich wing hero for some time, martin. Is he your new hero?

[actsnoblemartin]

NO, im not left wing or right wing, in neutral :laugh2:

as far as the war goes, im very confused :coffee:


Mr. Fag has been a reich wing hero for some time, martin. Is he your new hero?

[Psychoblues]

Everyone is confused about the war, martin.




NO, im not left wing or right wing, in neutral :laugh2:

as far as the war goes, im very confused :coffee:

If Mr. Fag is your man, admit it. The question was about the wisdom of the war and YOU made the fag issue a superfulous point. Care to explain your analogy?

[actsnoblemartin]

Everyone is confused about the war, martin.





If Mr. Fag is your man, admit it. The question was about the wisdom of the war and YOU made the fag issue a superfulous point. Care to explain your analogy?

I am a goofy man ok :laugh2:, I like to take tense moments and use humor to make them more comfortable. I dont know if that answers your question, but i tried.

I dont understand what mr fags point is, can u cliff note it, and then ill tell you.


why dont u like him?

[actsnoblemartin]

my fear with leaving iraq is the oil fields for starters i mean can the iraqi people stop a well oiled iranian military?

how do we know the shiites wouldnt just work with iran, and enjoy the good life, they were denied under saddam?

then we are really fucked...


I dont know, i dont claim, to be a genius here, not even close.

whats the alternative, honestly im listening


Everyone is confused about the war, martin.





If Mr. Fag is your man, admit it. The question was about the wisdom of the war and YOU made the fag issue a superfulous point. Care to explain your analogy?

[actsnoblemartin]

the war is always such a tense issue, that normally brings high emotions and anger out of people.

it scares me to bring it up sometimes.

:laugh2:

[Psychoblues]

War is an issue the certainly should scare you, martin.



the war is always such a tense issue, that normally brings high emotions and anger out of people.

it scares me to bring it up sometimes.

:laugh2:

Where was your critical thinking during the ramp up of the gwb administration?

Were you sitting in a corner shitting your pants and believing every word being fed to you by a compliant media and an overwhelmed congress?

[actsnoblemartin]

I was a fucking moron, I not only believed everything i was told, i thought it would be easy and wanted the war, cause i thought it would be a cake walk, on that issue i was a retard (stupid)

I have no problem admitting i was wrong


War is an issue the certainly should scare you, martin.




Where was your critical thinking during the ramp up of the gwb administration?

Were you sitting in a corner shitting your pants and believing every word being fed to you by a compliant media and an overwhelmed congress?

[actsnoblemartin]

president bush and the media :suck:

the american people :poop:

anyone who dared speak up was treated like this: :splat: :banana2: :blowup:

[actsnoblemartin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MzShg7yXik

:laugh2:

[Sitarro]

Everyone is confused about the war, martin.





If Mr. Fag is your man, admit it. The question was about the wisdom of the war and YOU made the fag issue a superfulous point. Care to explain your analogy?

Hey psicko, why don't you leave the kid alone? He is one of the few, if any, on this planet that can put up with your garbage. Funny how a homosexual who may sometimes be more conservative is a fag to a "progressive" like you. Typical leftist....... you are an elitist, racist, anti homo........ so typical. Have another case of beer.

[Psychoblues]

Hey, zero. You are a sad circumstance. Your mission is only to admonish me? Have at it, cowgirl.






Hey psicko, why don't you leave the kid alone? He is one of the few, if any, on this planet that can put up with your garbage. Funny how a homosexual who may sometimes be more conservative is a fag to a "progressive" like you. Typical leftist....... you are an elitist, racist, anti homo........ so typical. Have another case of beer.

Are we having fun yet?

[actsnoblemartin]

you're talking about andrew sullivan?


Hey psicko, why don't you leave the kid alone? He is one of the few, if any, on this planet that can put up with your garbage. Funny how a homosexual who may sometimes be more conservative is a fag to a "progressive" like you. Typical leftist....... you are an elitist, racist, anti homo........ so typical. Have another case of beer.

[Psychoblues]

I don't think so, martin.




you're talking about andrew sullivan?

zero was talking about YOU.

[actsnoblemartin]

im sorry, but are you calling me a homosexual?

just cause i am a gay activist doesnt mean im gay.

There are many heterosexuals that are gay activists, those who believe in gay causes

I do appreciate you standing up for me, but psycho doesnt say anything to hurt my feelings, we are cool :)


Hey psicko, why don't you leave the kid alone? He is one of the few, if any, on this planet that can put up with your garbage. Funny how a homosexual who may sometimes be more conservative is a fag to a "progressive" like you. Typical leftist....... you are an elitist, racist, anti homo........ so typical. Have another case of beer.

[Psychoblues]

Please forgive zero for being such a zero, martin.




im sorry, but are you calling me a homosexual?

just cause i am a gay activist doesnt mean im gay.

There are many heterosexuals that are gay activists, those who believe in gay causes

I do appreciate you standing up for me, but psycho doesnt say anything to hurt my feelings, we are cool :)

Quite simply, he just can't help it, don't you know?

[actsnoblemartin]

so, what are you up to pb




Please forgive zero for being such a zero, martin.





Quite simply, he just can't help it, don't you know?

[Psychoblues]

You tryin' to be cute, martin?



so, what are you up to pb

:laugh2:

[actsnoblemartin]

oh no thats my girlfriends job :laugh2:


You tryin' to be cute, martin?




:laugh2:

[Sitarro]

im sorry, but are you calling me a homosexual?

just cause i am a gay activist doesnt mean im gay.

There are many heterosexuals that are gay activists, those who believe in gay causes

I do appreciate you standing up for me, but psycho doesnt say anything to hurt my feelings, we are cool :)

No, I was talking about Psickshit and his labeling of Andrew Sullivan a fag. You are suppose to be the gay activist martin and you don't have a problem with psickoshit referring to a national homosexual figure as fag. Makes about as much sense as you defending rapist and killers but are in favor of women killing babies for convenience.

So Martin, if someone raped and killed your girlfriend, you wouldn't want him fried?