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Little-Acorn
06-04-2008, 01:46 PM
An EXCELLENT summary of the direction the Democrat party has taken throughout the war by terrorists against us.

I do have one objection to the author's statement, that "you can't support the troops and not support the war". IMHO you can support the troops while not supporting the war... but you should use enough judgement to confine your remarks to statements that you want us out of the war, or you want it run differently, or etc.

Our troops are human, with beliefs and fears and courage. And they're listening. If you go off on how we are supposedly breaking laws, being the aggressor, our troops are committing atrocities etc., then you are NOT "supporting the troops". And you're lying by claiming you are.

Sadly, such judgement is one of the many things missing from today's Democrat party.

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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=224B9BE8-F2C9-47D5-A6CC-1BBB8023057E

Party of Defeat

by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com
Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Most conversations about the coming elections focus on the question of which candidate is most suited to lead the nation as it confronts the challenges and threats ahead. A better question would be to ask whether there is one party– the Democratic Party -- which has demonstrated in word and deed that it is unfit to lead the nation in war at all. Criticism of government policy is essential to a democracy. But in the last five years the Democratic Party has crossed the line from criticism of war policy to fundamental sabotage of the war itself, a position no American party has taken until now.

Starting in July 2003, just three months into the war in Iraq, the Democratic National Committee ran a national TV ad whose message was: “Read his lips: President Bush Deceives the American People. This was the beginning of a five-year, unrelenting campaign to persuade Americans and their allies that “Bush lied, people died,” that the war was “unnecessary” and “Iraq was no threat.” In other words, for five years, the leaders of the Democratic Party have been telling Americans, America’s allies and America’s enemies that their country was an aggressor nation, which had violated international law, and was in effect the “bad guy” in the war with the Saddam Hussein regime.

The first principle of psychological warfare campaigns is to destroy the moral character of the opposing commander-in-chief and discredit his nation’s cause. Yet this is a perfect summary of the campaign that has been waged for the length of this war by the entire Democratic Party leadership, Joe Lieberman being an honorable exception who was driven out of his party as a result.

The one saving grace for Democrats would be if their charges were true – if they were deceived into supporting the war, and if they had turned against it only because they realized their mistake. But this charge is demonstrably false.

In fact, the claim that Bush lied in order to dupe Democrats into supporting the war is itself the biggest lie of the war. Every Democratic Senator who voted for the war had on his or her desk before the vote a 100-page report, called “The National Intelligence Estimate,” which summarized all America’s intelligence on Iraq that was used to justify the war. We live in a democracy; consequently, the opposition party has access to all our secrets. Democrats sit on the Senate Intelligence Committee, which oversees all of America’s intelligence agencies. If any Democrat on that committee, including Senator John Kerry, had requested any intelligence information Iraq, he or she would have had that information on his or desk within 24 hours. The self-justifying claim that Bush lied to hoodwink the Democrats is a fraudulent charge with no basis in reality.

The Democrats changed their views on the war for one reason and one reason alone: In June 2003, a far-left Democrat named Howard Dean was poised to win the Democratic Party presidential nomination by running on the claim that America was the bad guy in the war in Iraq, and he would get us out.

The charge that Iraq was no threat is another false claim of the Democratic attack on America’s war to defend itself. Typical of Democratic Party leaders, former vice president Al Gore now says that “Iraq posed no threat” because it was a “fragile and unstable” nation. But if this were true, the same argument would apply to Afghanistan on September 10, 2001. Afghanistan is half the size of Iraq and a much poorer and unstable nation; it has no oil and its government did not invade two countries and use chemical weapons on its own citizens as Saddam did. Yet by providing a safe harbor to terrorists, Afghanistan made possible the murder of 3,000 Americans in half an hour and allowed Osama bin Laden to do what the Germans and the Japanese failed to accomplish in six years of the Second World War: kill Americans on the American soil. That’s why in February 2002, a year before the war in Iraq, Al Gore was saying that “Iraq is a virulent threat in a class by itself” and that President Bush should “push the limit” to do what was necessary to deal with Saddam Hussein.

But the most self-serving and deceptive of the lies told by the Democratic leadership is this: you can support the troops and not support the war. No you can’t. You can’t tell a 19-year old, who is risking his young life in Fallujah and who is surrounded by terrorists who want to kill him, that he shouldn’t be there in the first place; that he’s with the “bad guys” – the aggressors, the occupiers, who have no moral right to be Iraq. You can’t do that and not undermine his morale, encourage his enemies, deprive him of allies and put him in danger. And that is exactly what the Democrats have done – and all the Democrats have done – in five years of America’s war to deny the terrorists victory in Iraq. Such a party is unfit to lead this nation in war. To place it in a position to do so would be to invite a tragedy of epic proportions.

glockmail
06-04-2008, 01:50 PM
Democrats have been committing treason since the 1930's. They are just being more open about it recently.

gabosaurus
06-04-2008, 06:03 PM
:lmao:

http://i32.tinypic.com/30x8q34.jpg

Little-Acorn
06-04-2008, 06:11 PM
For once I agree with gabby. That's a good picture of what the Democrats have been coming up with about the war for the last 5+ years.

gabosaurus
06-04-2008, 06:17 PM
No, it means that, like most of your threads, this one is full of garbage.

Little-Acorn
06-04-2008, 06:24 PM
Oh, OK. I stand corrected. So you can't refute or even argue with anything that was said, but simply call it names.

Got it. :lame2:

retiredman
06-04-2008, 08:17 PM
comparing Iraq in March of 2003 to Afghanistan in September 2001 and using that comparison to justify invading a country that had no ties to the folks that attacked us is a flawed comparison. There were no islamic extremist groups training under the shelter of Saddam Hussein - only arabic nationalists. Iraq was not a threat to the United States.

Odd... before 9/11, even Bush's own secretary of state even said as much....it was only when Bush needed to mislead us by conflating Iraq with Al Qaeda, that Powell changed his tune...and has since regretted selling his soul in such a way.

Silver
06-04-2008, 08:38 PM
comparing Iraq in March of 2003 to Afghanistan in September 2001 and using that comparison to justify invading a country that had no ties to the folks that attacked us is a flawed comparison. There were no islamic extremist groups training under the shelter of Saddam Hussein - only arabic nationalists. Iraq was not a threat to the United States.

Odd... before 9/11, even Bush's own secretary of state even said as much....it was only when Bush needed to mislead us by conflating Iraq with Al Qaeda, that Powell changed his tune...and has since regretted selling his soul in such a way.


Bush mislead us by conflating Iraq with Al Qaeda, ???

It never happened....

Clark made a lame connection between Iraq and AQ during the silly attack on the aspirin factory, way back in the Clinton Admin.....so no matter how many times you repeat the lie, the facts won't change....but do continue....
so ..:fu:..to another one of your lies....

April15
06-04-2008, 09:11 PM
How the idea of Democrats being a party of defeat came about is beyond me. All I come up with is the Democrats ended WWI & II. Korea was a UN action and Vietnam was Dicks burden. So I guess what is really meant by the phrase,"Democrats are the party of defeat," is that they defeat the enemy.

manu1959
06-04-2008, 09:35 PM
How the idea of Democrats being a party of defeat came about is beyond me. All I come up with is the Democrats ended WWI & II. Korea was a UN action and Vietnam was Dicks burden. So I guess what is really meant by the phrase,"Democrats are the party of defeat," is that they defeat the enemy.

which party started each of those wars......

ranger
06-04-2008, 09:49 PM
How the idea of Democrats being a party of defeat came about is beyond me. All I come up with is the Democrats ended WWI & II. Korea was a UN action and Vietnam was Dicks burden. So I guess what is really meant by the phrase,"Democrats are the party of defeat," is that they defeat the enemy.

Wow, talk about revisionist history, this takes the cake. FYI, Korea was entered into by Truman (D) and finished by Eisenhower (R). Vietnam was started byt Kennedy (D) and continued by Johnson (D) and ended by Nixon (R).

As for both world wars, they were entered into by Dems, WIlson with his pushing for the US to fight and FDR with his blatant non neutral "neutrality." So, maybe you need to brush up on your history there professor.

retiredman
06-04-2008, 09:49 PM
Bush mislead us by conflating Iraq with Al Qaeda, ???

It never happened....

Clark made a lame connection between Iraq and AQ during the silly attack on the aspirin factory, way back in the Clinton Admin.....so no matter how many times you repeat the lie, the facts won't change....but do continue....


con·flate (kən-flāt')
tr.v. con·flat·ed, con·flat·ing, con·flates

To bring together; meld or fuse: "The problems [with the biopic] include . . . dates moved around, lovers deleted, many characters conflated into one" (Ty Burr).


you are aware that "conflating" can happen without direct connection? If I say Silver...blah blah blah blah blah... horse thief... blah blah blah blah ...Silver...blah blah blah blah blah... horse thief... blah blah blah blah ... and I say it over and over again....pretty soon, people will come to associate you with stealing horses.

Bush gave speech after speech that had "9/11...blah blah blah...Al Qaeda...blah blah blah...Saddam... blah blah blah...WMD's... blah blah blah...9/11...blah blah blah...Al Qaeda...blah blah blah...Saddam... blah blah blah...WMD's... blah blah blah..."

That IS conflating Iraq with Al Qaeda and with 9/11... AND...it worked!

ranger
06-04-2008, 09:51 PM
con·flate (kən-flāt')
tr.v. con·flat·ed, con·flat·ing, con·flates

To bring together; meld or fuse: "The problems [with the biopic] include . . . dates moved around, lovers deleted, many characters conflated into one" (Ty Burr).


you are aware that "conflating" can happen without direct connection? If I say Silver...blah blah blah blah blah... horse thief... blah blah blah blah ...Silver...blah blah blah blah blah... horse thief... blah blah blah blah ... and I say it over and over again....pretty soon, people will come to associate you with stealing horses.

Bush gave speech after speech that had "9/11...blah blah blah...Al Qaeda...blah blah blah...Saddam... blah blah blah...WMD's... blah blah blah...9/11...blah blah blah...Al Qaeda...blah blah blah...Saddam... blah blah blah...WMD's... blah blah blah..."

That IS conflating Iraq with Al Qaeda and with 9/11... AND...it worked!

With speaking skills like that, no wonder you're the minister for your "church." Is it a church for the deaf and dumbass?

Dilloduck
06-04-2008, 09:51 PM
con·flate (kən-flāt')
tr.v. con·flat·ed, con·flat·ing, con·flates

To bring together; meld or fuse: "The problems [with the biopic] include . . . dates moved around, lovers deleted, many characters conflated into one" (Ty Burr).


you are aware that "conflating" can happen without direct connection? If I say Silver...blah blah blah blah blah... horse thief... blah blah blah blah ...Silver...blah blah blah blah blah... horse thief... blah blah blah blah ... and I say it over and over again....pretty soon, people will come to associate you with stealing horses.

Bush gave speech after speech that had "9/11...blah blah blah...Al Qaeda...blah blah blah...Saddam... blah blah blah...WMD's... blah blah blah...9/11...blah blah blah...Al Qaeda...blah blah blah...Saddam... blah blah blah...WMD's... blah blah blah..."

That IS conflating Iraq with Al Qaeda and with 9/11... AND...it worked!

Only on dumb asses

retiredman
06-04-2008, 09:53 PM
Only on dumb asses

no doubt.

retiredman
06-04-2008, 09:53 PM
With speaking skills like that, no wonder you're the minister for your "church." Is it a church for the deaf and dumbass?

why don't you try to debate the issues and lay off the ad hominem attacks? How would that be?

ranger
06-04-2008, 09:54 PM
no doubt.

Showing your debate skills now too..........you must be a real prize for your church.


Does this church have any one that speaks english??????

ranger
06-04-2008, 09:55 PM
Or is it one of those internet churches??????