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Obama wants payroll tax on incomes above $250,000
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama on Friday called for higher payroll taxes on wage-earners making more than $250,000 annually, a step that would affect the wealthiest 3 percent of Americans.
The presidential candidate told senior citizens in Ohio that it is unfair for middle-class earners to pay the Social Security tax "on every dime they make," while millionaires and billionaires pay it on only "a very small percentage of their income."
The 6.2 percent payroll tax is now applied to all wages up to $102,000 a year, which covers the entire amount for most Americans. Under Obama's plan, the tax would not apply to wages between that amount and $250,000. But all annual salaries above the quarter-million-dollar amount would be taxed under his plan, Obama said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080613/ap_on_el_pr/obama_social_security
for those making over 250K, sorry but your success is now going to be taxed and punished under obama's reich
Little-Acorn
06-13-2008, 04:51 PM
A liberal extremist wants to raise taxes on the people who already pay vastly more in taxes than everyone else. Wow, that's news.
And the same liberal extremist wants some people to pay for far more than they will receive. Another big surprise.
These leftists keep trying to "soak the rich" for the same reason bank robbers rob banks: "Because that's where the money is."
And with equal moral justification.
namvet
06-13-2008, 05:03 PM
tuff. a lot of these richies have off shore accounts anyway. but they'll remember this in Nov
why aren't obama followers in here defending this?
retiredman
06-13-2008, 08:18 PM
I just got back from my first week of UCC history, theology and polity school.... I think this is a marvelous idea. I doubt that many of the wealthiest3% of Americans were planning on voting for Obama anyway...and if they had been, this sort of move will not cause them to change their vote in any case.
hjmick
06-13-2008, 08:23 PM
A regular Robin Hood...
manu1959
06-13-2008, 08:25 PM
yet another reason big o won't get my vote.....
I just got back from my first week of UCC history, theology and polity school.... I think this is a marvelous idea. I doubt that many of the wealthiest3% of Americans were planning on voting for Obama anyway...and if they had been, this sort of move will not cause them to change their vote in any case.
enough about you...how is that defending obama's socialist type dogma? how is it fair to tax a certain class of people simply for making a certain amount? i am so sick of this intellectually weak form of debate where one says: they wouldn't vote for him anyways, so it doesn't matter....what poppy cock and it is against the foundation of this country.
when are you inviting your church members here?
Silver
06-13-2008, 08:30 PM
I just got back from my first week of UCC history, theology and polity school.... I think this is a marvelous idea. I doubt that many of the wealthiest3% of Americans were planning on voting for Obama anyway...and if they had been, this sort of move will not cause them to change their vote in any case.
Well, there you go....
They weren't gonna vote for him anyway...
and
this will not cause them to change their vote....
Now thats the logic of our 'make-believe' preacher man....keeping in mind that it is only a UCC "church".....seems close to a 'cult' but thats just mo....
No mention of the ethics of confiscating more money from those that already pay more than anyone else in taxes....
Of course ethics and Democrats don't mix well anyway do they....
its just fuck 'em...they weren't gonna vote for him anyway....
not a surprise to me in the least....:fu:
manu1959
06-13-2008, 08:30 PM
enough about you...how is that defending obama's socialist type dogma? how is it fair to tax a certain class of people simply for making a certain amount? i am so sick of this intellectually weak form of debate where one says: they wouldn't vote for him anyways, so it doesn't matter....what poppy cock and it is against the foundation of this country.
when are you inviting your church members here?
it is not fair that all the rich peoples dollars are not taxed at the same rate as the poor peoples when it comes to this tax....but god forbid the poor peoples dollars are not taxed at the same rate when it comes to state and federal taxes.....
are not sales taxes the only one that treats all dollars the same no mater who you are....
If anyones making over £250k a year i don't think they have much to worry about financially, so i'd see it as the right policy,
just my 2 pennies.
manu1959
06-13-2008, 08:31 PM
Well, there you go....
They weren't gonna vote for him anyway...
and
this will not cause them to change their vote....
Now thats the logic of our 'make-believe' preacher man....keeping in mind that it is only a UCC "church".....seems close to a 'cult' but thats just mo....
No mention of the ethics of confiscating more money from those that already pay more than anyone else in taxes....
Of course ethics and Democrats don't mix well anyway do they....
its just fuck 'em...they weren't gonna vote for him anyway....
not a surprise to me in the least....:fu:
remember obama is going to unite this country........against those he wants to take things from.....
Silver
06-13-2008, 08:32 PM
If anyones making over £250k a year i don't think they have much to worry about financially, so i'd see it as the right policy,
just my 2 pennies.
And you're right...but thats not the point is it....
manu1959
06-13-2008, 08:32 PM
If anyones making over £250k a year i don't think they have much to worry about financially, so i'd see it as the right policy,
just my 2 pennies.
you should move to the san francisco bay area and se how you do and it is 125 british pounds not 250
Psychoblues
06-13-2008, 08:33 PM
If I or most people I know made $250,000 plus annually we would be glad to pay it. There is a price to be paid for the freedom to make 10 times the national average income, don't you think? These $8 an hour types just need to come to grips with the situation, don't you agree?
it is not fair that all the rich peoples dollars are not taxed at the same rate as the poor peoples when it comes to this tax....but god forbid the poor peoples dollars are not taxed at the same rate when it comes to state and federal taxes.....
are not sales taxes the only one that treats all dollars the same no mater who you are....
real estate taxes are supposed to operate the same way, however, one could argue that the person estimating the value of the property is more biased than the person trying to sell their product.
i do not understand how anyone can really justify extra taxes against a certain class of people simply because they have money. obama says that it is a small dent in the rich folks income, a much smaller dent than those making under 250K. only an idiot would say that. the percentage, being the same, shows what a thief he is. further, when you have money, it often takes money to keep that money and you have different needs than those without those resources. someone making 100K might have a "nice" boat that they want to buy or upkeep, someone making more might have a "great" boat they want to buy or upkeep....it is all relative, but the rich person gets to have his/her wealth redistributed to others....but forbid we say socialism...
you should move to the san francisco bay area and se how you do and it is 125 british pounds not 250
oh my, sorry for that, still it stands, someone making $250k doesn't really need to worry, its more of an annoyance if anything, and i'd never move to a country that voted Bush into office twice, but that's another story...
If I or most people I know made $250,000 plus annually we would be glad to pay it. There is a price to be paid for the freedom to make 10 times the national average income, don't you think? These $8 an hour types just need to come to grips with the situation, don't you agree?
so you want to tax freedom...there is no price to pay, the very notion is against what this country was founded on
retiredman
06-13-2008, 08:39 PM
how is it fair to tax a certain class of people simply for making a certain amount? i am so sick of this intellectually weak form of debate where one says: they wouldn't vote for him anyways, so it doesn't matter....what poppy cock and it is against the foundation of this country.
a progressive tax philosophy has been a part of american public policy through republican and democratic administrations since the advent of income tax.
Silver
06-13-2008, 08:39 PM
If I or most people I know made $250,000 plus annually we would be glad to pay it. There is a price to be paid for the freedom to make 10 times the national average income, don't you think? These $8 an hour types just need to come to grips with the situation, don't you agree?
Isn't everyone free to make 10x the national average income....?
Why it is ethical for those that actually do to have their dollars confiscated by the government....
do they somehow lose their rights for being successful...
And just for my own curiosity..are you really an anti-American socialist like maineman ?
Silver
06-13-2008, 08:47 PM
a progressive tax philosophy has been a part of american public policy through republican and democratic administrations since the advent of income tax.
We know Democrats have been chipping away at the Constitution for years under the guise of fairness and tolerance and diversity .....
Does that somehow it acceptable?
The 14th Amendment-
The 1st Amendment-
The 2nd Amendment
a progressive tax philosophy has been a part of american public policy through republican and democratic administrations since the advent of income tax.
and i don't agree with it and unfortunately, there are currently not enough votes to change it, but if we all listened you, then we would give up instead of persevering for change. at least you agree that this philosophy was not part of the country's founding and was added later.
you still have not actually defended his position that you appear to agree with.
so when are you going to invite your fellow church members here? you are a leader of flock, are you going to hide this from them?
retiredman
06-13-2008, 08:52 PM
We know Democrats have been chipping away at the Constitution for years under the guise of fairness and tolerance and diversity .....
Does that somehow it acceptable?
The 14th Amendment-
The 1st Amendment-
The 2nd Amendment
If progressive tax rates were something the republican party could not countenance, they could have removed them during those periods when they held control of both congress and the white house. they did not. go bitch to them.
Psychoblues
06-13-2008, 08:53 PM
Oh hell!!!!!!! I thought somebody was going to provide some links as to all that shit that they been saying about the promises of Obama. You're still just talking shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
retiredman
06-13-2008, 08:55 PM
and i don't agree with it and unfortunately, there are currently not enough votes to change it, but if we all listened you, then we would give up instead of persevering for change. at least you agree that this philosophy was not part of the country's founding and was added later.
then get off the internet and do something about it. be the leader of the grassroots movement that changes our progressive tax codes.
if you aren't prepared to do that, all you are doing is whining.
If progressive tax rates were something the republican party could not countenance, they could have removed them during those periods when they held control of both congress and the white house. they did not. go bitch to them.
they did not hold the majority necessary and you know it, but i see facts still don't get in the way of your life
then get off the internet and do something about it. be the leader of the grassroots movement that changes our progressive tax codes.
if you aren't prepared to do that, all you are doing is whining.
um, earth to dodo bird, the internet is where much change does happen "now"
go ask obama and his grassroots internet movement or his internet war room....LOL, still a simpleton
and when are you going to be a man and invite your flock here? are you hiding something?
Silver
06-13-2008, 09:00 PM
If progressive tax rates were something the republican party could not countenance, they could have removed them during those periods when they held control of both congress and the white house. they did not. go bitch to them.
Now you talking stupid....
That like saying the Dems can ban all automobiles tomorrow to battle pollution of some such nonsense...
the present tax system is too ingrained into the fabric of US economy to make profound changes without long debate to its effects ....
You might have noticed that the Republican Party had a difficult time just making small changes in rates in the face of idiot liberal obstruction...
retiredman
06-13-2008, 09:15 PM
Now you talking stupid....
That like saying the Dems can ban all automobiles tomorrow to battle pollution of some such nonsense...
the present tax system is too ingrained into the fabric of US economy to make profound changes without long debate to its effects ....
You might have noticed that the Republican Party had a difficult time just making small changes in rates in the face of idiot liberal obstruction...
like I said...when they had control of both houses and the white house, they could have eliminated it if they were that much against it. bitch at them... the fact that democrats and republicans argue about moving the marginal tax rates a few percentage points in either direction is not the fault of simply the democrats. grow up.
retiredman
06-13-2008, 09:17 PM
um, earth to dodo bird, the internet is where much change does happen "now"
so....yurt.com, the new grassroots site to end the progressive tax system in America will be appearing....when, exactly?
they did not hold the majority necessary and you know it, but i see facts still don't get in the way of your life
you purposefully failed to address this
like I said...when they had control of both houses and the white house, they could have eliminated it if they were that much against it. bitch at them... the fact that democrats and republicans argue about moving the marginal tax rates a few percentage points in either direction is not the fault of simply the democrats. grow up.
the intellectual dishonesty is still there i see....
glockmail
06-13-2008, 09:19 PM
If anyones making over £250k a year i don't think they have much to worry about financially, so i'd see it as the right policy,
just my 2 pennies. Its dollars, not pounds, and it ain't fair. First I don't get the economic stimulus rebate, now this.
retiredman
06-13-2008, 09:26 PM
you purposefully failed to address this
the intellectual dishonesty is still there i see....
::yawn::
Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Eisenhower and Bush all had periods of time when the GOP controlled both houses of congress. They all could have eliminated the progressive tax rates of federal income tax if they really had wanted to. that's a fact.
::yawn::
Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Eisenhower and Bush all had periods of time when the GOP controlled both houses of congress. They all could have eliminated the progressive tax rates of federal income tax if they really had wanted to. that's a fact.
they had the actual percent to eliminate the tax? proof? and just because your a full on preacher now...doesn't mean you can yawn your way out of stuff big boy....so when are you inviting your flock here? or are you going to ignore that question for the 4th time now?
retiredman
06-13-2008, 09:38 PM
they had the actual percent to eliminate the tax? proof?
the fact of the matter is, republicans have controlled both houses and the white house on several occasions since the advent of the progressive income tax. they have not availed themselves of the opportunity to change it when the had the chance...
go google it if you are not convinced. I have had little luck convincing you on my own.
the fact of the matter is, republicans have controlled both houses and the white house on several occasions since the advent of the progressive income tax. they have not availed themselves of the opportunity to change it when the had the chance...
go google it if you are not convinced. I have had little luck convincing you on my own.
you again miss the point
what is the majority requirement to change the tax?
your logic is interesting, given that the dems are now in the "majority" have have NOT delivered on their promises....
Silver
06-13-2008, 09:53 PM
Hes a hack...you'll get no reasonable serious debate from him....
Hes a hack...you'll get no reasonable serious debate from him....
i know, but now he is a full time preacher, i thought things might have changed, i am giving him the benefit of the doubt
retiredman
06-13-2008, 09:56 PM
you again miss the point
what is the majority requirement to change the tax?
your logic is interesting, given that the dems are now in the "majority" have have NOT delivered on their promises....
my logic is solid. today, democrats do not have control of both houses and the white house. there were times in our past when republicans did and did not avail themselves of the opportunity to eliminate the progressive nature of our tax code which has been in place for nearly a century now.
Psychoblues
06-13-2008, 10:08 PM
Just admit it. Given the opportunity to do so the pukes would pass a law that only those earnig a paycheck would pay taxes. They've tried it and the Democrats have stopped them time and time again. The pukes call it increasing taxes while the Democrats call it at least a more fair tax code. The more you make, the more governmental assistance you need and the more you should pay. It really is that simple.
The private militias as organized by the robber barons from the railroads, the super farmers, the oil-men, the mineral/gold thieves etc., etc., and etc., of the old wild west and even the east have been replaced with state militias and police forces. Somebody has to pay for all that, don't 'cha know?
my logic is solid. today, democrats do not have control of both houses and the white house. there were times in our past when republicans did and did not avail themselves of the opportunity to eliminate the progressive nature of our tax code which has been in place for nearly a century now.
care to answer this:
what is the majority requirement to change the tax?
and when did republicans have this majority
LiberalNation
06-14-2008, 12:44 PM
Is it family income or just single persons with this tax. No one I know makes that much on their own at this point. I'm fine with it if it doesn't effect me. :dev:
retiredman
06-14-2008, 12:56 PM
care to answer this:
and when did republicans have this majority
tax code law is enacted in congress by a simple majority in both houses. There have been several years in the administrations of those republicans that I listed where republicans held simple majorities in both houses.
manu1959
06-14-2008, 01:41 PM
oh my, sorry for that, still it stands, someone making $250k doesn't really need to worry, its more of an annoyance if anything, and i'd never move to a country that voted Bush into office twice, but that's another story...
yes nor i to one that still pays to have roalty figureheads.....
manu1959
06-14-2008, 01:51 PM
i find a progressive tax oddly un american.....why if someone is good at aquiring something like say finding easter eggs should they have to give more of them away just because they are better at it.....
seems we are encourageing people to be average.....
tax code law is enacted in congress by a simple majority in both houses. There have been several years in the administrations of those republicans that I listed where republicans held simple majorities in both houses.
i was wrong then, i thought it was 2/3. i have no freakin clue why republicans have not changed it then, bizzare.
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