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stephanie
08-03-2008, 11:39 AM
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hur Herman | August 04, 2008
IT has been a tough year for the high priests of global warming in the US. First, NASA had to correct its earlier claim that the hottest year on record in the contiguous US had been 1998, which seemed to prove that global warming was on the march. It was actually 1934. Then it turned out the world's oceans have been growing steadily cooler, not hotter, since 2003. Meanwhile, the winter of 2007 was the coldest in the US in decades, after Al Gore warned us that we were about to see the end of winter as we know it.

In a May issue of Nature, evidence about falling global temperatures forced German climatologists to conclude that the transformation of our planet into a permanent sauna is taking a decade-long hiatus, at least. Then this month came former greenhouse gas alarmist David Evans's article in The Australian, stating that since 1999 evidence has been accumulating that man-made carbon emissions can't be the cause of global warming. By now that evidence, Evans said, has become pretty conclusive.

Yet believers in man-made global warming demand more and more money to combat climate change and still more drastic changes in our economic output and lifestyle.

The reason is that precisely that they are believers, not scientists. No amount of empirical evidence will overturn what has become not a scientific theory but a form of religion.

read it all here.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24122117-7583,00.html

Dilloduck
08-03-2008, 11:52 AM
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hur Herman | August 04, 2008
IT has been a tough year for the high priests of global warming in the US. First, NASA had to correct its earlier claim that the hottest year on record in the contiguous US had been 1998, which seemed to prove that global warming was on the march. It was actually 1934. Then it turned out the world's oceans have been growing steadily cooler, not hotter, since 2003. Meanwhile, the winter of 2007 was the coldest in the US in decades, after Al Gore warned us that we were about to see the end of winter as we know it.

In a May issue of Nature, evidence about falling global temperatures forced German climatologists to conclude that the transformation of our planet into a permanent sauna is taking a decade-long hiatus, at least. Then this month came former greenhouse gas alarmist David Evans's article in The Australian, stating that since 1999 evidence has been accumulating that man-made carbon emissions can't be the cause of global warming. By now that evidence, Evans said, has become pretty conclusive.

Yet believers in man-made global warming demand more and more money to combat climate change and still more drastic changes in our economic output and lifestyle.

The reason is that precisely that they are believers, not scientists. No amount of empirical evidence will overturn what has become not a scientific theory but a form of religion.

read it all here.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24122117-7583,00.html

Absolutely. They are pompous enough to think they are saving a planet while consuming it like starving animals.
And what about this "making the world livable for our grandchildren" ? Several wars were fought and policies put in place to make the world safer for the grandchildren of that time. Well, here we are. Grown up grandchildren. What happened to all those promises? POOF---gone.

diuretic
08-04-2008, 07:42 AM
I must keep an eye on the paper here. This bloke is a historian so the Letters to the Editor should be worth a read. He quotes Evans who is a computer scientist. Herman is speaking to a right wing denialist group. Evans is a member of a denialist group. Neither are scientists.

Yes, this one is going to be worth keeping an eye on. The problem the denialists face is that about 70% of our population accepts the scientific consensus that global climate change is a reality and it's necessary to deal with it. The debate is how we have to deal with it and when, not if. Smal wonder the Murdoch national rag feels required to keep publishing denialist essays.

Psychoblues
08-04-2008, 07:46 AM
Put your bucks on the heretics without reason, doc. They, in their feeble minds, prevail. Don't you know?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

Dilloduck
08-04-2008, 10:04 AM
I must keep an eye on the paper here. This bloke is a historian so the Letters to the Editor should be worth a read. He quotes Evans who is a computer scientist. Herman is speaking to a right wing denialist group. Evans is a member of a denialist group. Neither are scientists.

Yes, this one is going to be worth keeping an eye on. The problem the denialists face is that about 70% of our population accepts the scientific consensus that global climate change is a reality and it's necessary to deal with it. The debate is how we have to deal with it and when, not if. Smal wonder the Murdoch national rag feels required to keep publishing denialist essays.

70% of our clueless population believe information that scientist are putting out ? Hell--they don't even know what a thermometer is. Am I to be awe stricken by these numbers ? :laugh2:

Hobbit
08-04-2008, 11:47 AM
Even if I didn't know that a growing number of climatologists are opposing the global warming scare, I don't buy arguments ad populum. Science isn't up for a vote.

diuretic
08-05-2008, 03:40 AM
70% of our clueless population believe information that scientist are putting out ? Hell--they don't even know what a thermometer is. Am I to be awe stricken by these numbers ? :laugh2:

We can tell the difference between a thermometer and a barometer.

They're spelled differently :laugh2:

But, to be a bit serious. Because we're aware of the devastation that could be wreaked on the planet (the current topic here is the potential death of the Murray-Darling system due to political parochialism) I think we're moved into that phase where we realise something needs to be done. It's a bit like putting off going to the doctor because you have a dark mole on your skin and then finding out later you've got melanoma. We don't want things to get to the point where it's too late. Not much fun in "we told you so!" when we or our children/grandchildren/great-grandchildren are facing climate disaster.

diuretic
08-05-2008, 03:41 AM
Even if I didn't know that a growing number of climatologists are opposing the global warming scare, I don't buy arguments ad populum. Science isn't up for a vote.

Yes, apparently the science is pointing out that global warming is a hazard.

SpidermanTUba
08-07-2008, 02:05 PM
:clap: Meanwhile, the winter of 2007 was the coldest in the US in decades,



That's not even true. 2000 was colder, for both surface only and surface+ocean measurements. For surface+ocean measurements, 2001 was also colder.

MtnBiker
08-17-2008, 06:25 PM
Record low maximum temperature set in Denver for August 16th...

The high temperature at Denver International Airport today was 58
degrees.

This 58 degree reading will replace the previous low maximum
temperature record for August 16th which was 63 degrees set 118
years ago in 1890.


http://www.wunderground.com/US/CO/040.html

SpidermanTUba
08-19-2008, 12:53 PM
http://www.wunderground.com/US/CO/040.html

Wow, a record cold at a single location in space and time. Obvious proof the Earth isn't warming.

manu1959
08-19-2008, 12:56 PM
anyone read the article on drudge that says we will be entering a mini ice age shortly....

MtnBiker
08-19-2008, 02:13 PM
Wow, a record cold at a single location in space and time. Obvious proof the Earth isn't warming.

No claim of proof of one thing or the other, just more input to the discussion. And it was a record low maximum temperature, not a record cold temperature.

manu1959
08-19-2008, 02:17 PM
anyone read the article on drudge that says we will be entering a mini ice age shortly....

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milenio.com%2Fmexico% 2Fmilenio%2Fnota.asp%3Fid%3D651680&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=es&tl=en

red states rule
08-20-2008, 05:36 PM
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red states rule
08-20-2008, 08:45 PM
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/141605.jpg

MtnBiker
10-06-2008, 06:34 PM
Coldest start to winter in Fairbanks Alaska in 16 years;

http://www.weather.gov/view/prodsByState.php?state=ak&prodtype=public

red states rule
10-06-2008, 08:02 PM
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Gaffer
10-06-2008, 08:09 PM
Any global warming that occurs is caused by solar activity. Man has nothing to do with it. If you believe man causes it then you need to plan your pilgrimage to algores home in Tennessee. I understand all believers are suppose to do that at least once in their lifetime. The first one hundred visitors get a free potted plant.

Global warming, the biggest joke of the decade.

MtnBiker
10-07-2008, 02:25 PM
Most of the country suffered the coldest September in 14 years, forecasters revealed. In its monthly summary Met Eireann said the temperature never rose above 20 Celsius anywhere - the first such occurrence in more than 30 years.

Average monthly air temperatures were around half a degree below normal at some southern weather stations and it was the coolest September since 1994 almost everywhere. Forecasters said they were unable to predict the weather over the winter months but the Met Office in Britain claimed temperatures are likely to be above normal over much of Europe, although not as mild as last year.

The summer washout seeped into the first half of September, with Dublin stations recording their usual monthly level of rainfall within the first six days. This also brought the stations' annual totals for 2008 above the amount normally recorded in a full year. Dublin Airport's downpour of 43.5mm on the 5th was its highest level for September since the station opened in 1941, while torrential rain on September 9 and 10 caused widespread flooding, especially in the south and west.


http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5itNuc6W_RNT5R_fcA3vrs5LxsLgg

brrrrrr

Immanuel
10-07-2008, 02:37 PM
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hur Herman | August 04, 2008
IT has been a tough year for the high priests of global warming in the US. First, NASA had to correct its earlier claim that the hottest year on record in the contiguous US had been 1998, which seemed to prove that global warming was on the march. It was actually 1934. Then it turned out the world's oceans have been growing steadily cooler, not hotter, since 2003. Meanwhile, the winter of 2007 was the coldest in the US in decades, after Al Gore warned us that we were about to see the end of winter as we know it.



Isn't this proof that the actions we have undertaken at the behest of the Al Gore's of the country are actually working? Maybe we should thank Al?

I mean really, he turned the impending destruction of the world as we know it around in less than a decade! And he did that after having fathered the Internet! We owe him a hell of a lot of thanks. :laugh2: :poke:

Immie

MtnBiker
10-14-2008, 11:07 PM
This is the earliest measurable snowfall in Boise since recordkeeping began in 1898, according to the National Weather Service. At 10 p.m., the Weather Service said 1.7 inches of snow had fallen. The previous earliest recorded snowfall was Oct. 12, 1969, when a little more than an inch fell
http://www.idahostatesman.com/102/story/530075.html

brrrr

MtnBiker
10-14-2008, 11:09 PM
Monday, October 13, 2008


Cold temperatures set several new record lows this weekend, including a low of 22 Saturday in downtown Pendleton that broke a 118 year-old record of 24.

Record lows started falling Thursday with a new low of 20 for Meacham, four degrees cooler than the previous record from 2006, according to information from the Web site for the National Weather Service Forecast Office in Pendleton.

Heppner and Long Creek then set new low temperatures Friday. Heppner hit 29, the coldest that date has seen since 1960 when it was 30; and Long Creek was 21, besting the 1987 record by four degrees.

Saturday set multiple new lows, including the record 22 in downtown Pendleton. John Day dropped to 21, breaking the 1990 record of 23; Meacham's 15 broke the previous low of 20 from 2002; and Mitchell set a record with 21, five degrees cooler than the 2002 record.

Additionally, the top of Airport Hill in Pendleton set a new low of 25; the previous record was 33. And the agricultural experimental station north of Pendleton recorded a low of 18, five degrees cooler than the previous record from 1990.

The cold continued to set records Sunday. Meacham, for the third time in four days, set a record with a low of 15, one degree cooler than the 2002 record. Long Creek and Mitchell again set new records as well Long Creek's low of 21 broke with 1969 record of 25, and Mitchell's 21 broke the 1949 record of 24.

The top of Airport Hill in Pendleton also set another record with 24; the previous record was 28 from 2002. And downtown Pendleton's 21 chilled past the previous record of 25 from 1931.

Also Sunday, two-miles north of Hermiston cooled to 18, breaking the 1953 record of 20

http://www.eastoregonian.info/print.asp?SectionID=13&SubSectionID=48&ArticleID=83885&TM=29612.53


brrrrr

MtnBiker
10-14-2008, 11:12 PM
Published: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 at 4:41 a.m.

Temperatures dropped to 31 degrees in the Ukiah Valley on Saturday night and early Sunday morning, the coldest Oct. 12 morning since record keeping began in Ukiah in 1893, said Troy Nicolini, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Eureka. The previous record was 34 degrees in 1916.

Temperatures were milder in Sonoma County, and there were no reports of frost-related problems, county officials said.

Farmers in Redwood Valley and other cooler regions in Mendocino County reported temperatures as low as 27 degrees.


http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081014/NEWS/810140335/-1/frontpage?Title=Frost__one_more_thing__for_grape_g rowers

brrrrrr

MtnBiker
10-30-2008, 08:54 AM
Record snow storm triggers delays
Snow flurries throughout the night and early morning caused numerous delays for travellers using Switzerland's rail system on Thursday.
A heavy, wet snow snapped trees, which fell across tracks. The most affected regions included Zurich, Schaffhausen in the north and the areas around the Gotthard pass in central Switzerland.

Passengers moving between Spiez and Interlaken south of Bern were forced to take buses when rail service there was interrupted around 7am. Broken branches and trees blocked roads.

Farmers in the Bernese Oberland also awoke to snow-related problems. Damaged fences allowed their cows to wander freely.

According to MeteoNews, the Swiss lowlands received the most snow for any October since records began. Zurich received 20cm, beating a record of 14cm set in 1939.



http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/travel/Record_snow_storm_triggers_delays.html?siteSect=41 4&sid=9908046&cKey=1225359314000&ty=nd

brrrrrrr

MtnBiker
10-30-2008, 08:56 AM
OCALA - Twice the temperature dipped to freezing at the Ocala International Airport early Wednesday before it began making a gradual climb to the mid-60s.


Bruce Ackerman/Star-Banner Frost covers a field off U.S. 27 northwest of Ocala on Wednesday. Temperatures in the Ocala area dipped into the mid-30s overnight.Though there was a reading of freezing or below throughout northwest Marion County, Wednesday morning's official low temperature was 33 degrees.

It was a record for Oct. 29 and the second lowest temperature ever recorded in October since 1850. Ocala's official weather site is at the city water treatment plant on Southeast 24th Street.

Until Wednesday, Oct. 29's record temperature was 37 in 1943 and a close second was 38 degrees in 1957.


http://www.ocala.com/article/20081030/NEWS/810301012/1001/NEWS01?Title=Record_cold_swept_over_the_region_Wed nesday

teeth chattering...........

MtnBiker
11-10-2008, 09:57 AM
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/oct/01_10_2008_DvTempRank_pg.gif

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/oct/01_10_2008_DvTempRank_pg.gif

5stringJeff
11-10-2008, 10:01 AM
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/oct/01_10_2008_DvTempRank_pg.gif

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/oct/01_10_2008_DvTempRank_pg.gif

I see that the National Capital region is the furthest above normal. I wonder if that's because of all the hot air Congressional Democrats are spewing over climate change.

red states rule
11-12-2008, 07:04 AM
I thought the glaciers were melting?????


Bad weather was good for Alaska glaciers
MASS BALANCE: For decades, summer snow loss has exceeded winter snowfall.

By CRAIG MEDRED
cmedred@adn.com

Published: October 13th, 2008 11:08 PM
Last Modified: October 13th, 2008 09:32 AM

Two hundred years of glacial shrinkage in Alaska, and then came the winter and summer of 2007-2008.

Unusually large amounts of winter snow were followed by unusually chill temperatures in June, July and August.

"In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound," said U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia. "On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku Glacier in late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying, located at about 1,500 feet elevation, did not become snow free until early August.

"In general, the weather this summer was the worst I have seen in at least 20 years."

Never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too.

"It's been a long time on most glaciers where they've actually had positive mass balance," Molnia said.

That's the way a scientist says the glaciers got thicker in the middle.

http://www.adn.com/news/environment/story/555283.html

SpidermanTUba
11-25-2008, 01:46 PM
I see that the National Capital region is the furthest above normal. I wonder if that's because of all the hot air Congressional Democrats are spewing over climate change.



I had no idea "global" meant only the U.S.

Nukeman
11-25-2008, 01:54 PM
I had no idea "global" meant only the U.S.
I didn't know that global meant everything EXCEPT the US!!!!

Or are you saying the US is just an anomaly????? and the rest of the world is hotter than ever.

Ohhh wait arctic ice has rebounded but thats not possible due to the fact Spidermantuba says the arctic was to be free of ice this year....

SpidermanTUba
11-25-2008, 02:22 PM
I didn't know that global meant everything EXCEPT the US!!!!

Or are you saying the US is just an anomaly????? and the rest of the world is hotter than ever.

Ohhh wait arctic ice has rebounded but thats not possible due to the fact Spidermantuba says the arctic was to be free of ice this year....



The Arctic ice rebounds every year - its called WINTER - and I never said anything of the sort you're a liar.

Des
11-25-2008, 03:00 PM
I don't buy into the global warming hype. The words "carbon offset" make my blood boil.

I do believe that the climate changes in natural cycles and can and has been influenced by organisms on earth. I know that whole species of animals have gone extinct before. I know that organisms on earth and uncontrollable events have changed the makeup of the atmosphere and the climate, and I'm not above thinking that humans aren't capable of being an organism that has tha capacity to shift something in the enviroment. I know the polar ice caps are getting smaller, and that the sea life depends on a pretty stable ph level to thrive. I know that if the rising and cooling water affects the gulf stream, there could be a potential rapid cooling of the eastern US and Europe.

The truth is, climate change will happen with us or without us, because we are a natural part of the enviroment. There is absolutely nothing anyone can sell you to help you change that, or anything a politician is going to do to make a difference.

MtnBiker
11-25-2008, 05:45 PM
Ice traps 400 Canadian Arctic whales

EDMONTON, Alberta, Nov. 25 (UPI) --

Canadian fishery officials gave Inuit hunters permission to kill as many as 400 narwhal whales trapped by Arctic ice miles from open water.

Hunters reported spotting the whales last week and began hacking breathing holes in the ice north of Baffin Island near the village of Pond Inlet, the Edmonton Journal reported.

Jayko Allooloo, president of the community's Hunters and Trappers Association, told the Journal open water is more than 35 miles away, and the whales would drown trying to reach it. He said fisheries officials also told him there is no icebreaker anywhere near.

It looks to me like the narwhals have been trapped there for some time, because the ones we are pulling out have only about an inch and a half of fat on them, he said. Normally at this time of year, you would see 3 inches. That means they haven't eaten for some time.

Allan Hawkes is a store manager in Pond Inlet who is selling the whale blubber and meat to other Arctic communities as well as the ivory tusks to international buyers.

The one good thing about this is, nothing is getting wasted, he said to the Journal. Virtually everything will find its way to someone's table.


http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/23113.html

Just think, global warming may have saved those whales. :cool:

Nukeman
11-25-2008, 07:07 PM
The Arctic ice rebounds every year - its called WINTER - and I never said anything of the sort you're a liar.

Your right YOU never said it would be "clear" of ice but you sure as hell spent a lot of bandwidth to tell us how it was shrinking and not actually growing back to previous levels year after year..


I call your attention to this whole thread.....

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=16376

SpidermanTUba
11-25-2008, 08:02 PM
I don't buy into the global warming hype. The words "carbon offset" make my blood boil.

I do believe that the climate changes in natural cycles and can and has been influenced by organisms on earth. I know that whole species of animals have gone extinct before. I know that organisms on earth and uncontrollable events have changed the makeup of the atmosphere and the climate, and I'm not above thinking that humans aren't capable of being an organism that has tha capacity to shift something in the enviroment. I know the polar ice caps are getting smaller, and that the sea life depends on a pretty stable ph level to thrive. I know that if the rising and cooling water affects the gulf stream, there could be a potential rapid cooling of the eastern US and Europe.

The truth is, climate change will happen with us or without us, because we are a natural part of the enviroment. There is absolutely nothing anyone can sell you to help you change that, or anything a politician is going to do to make a difference.



Other than faulty logic, you base all this on what - your intuition?

SpidermanTUba
11-25-2008, 08:03 PM
Your right YOU never said it would be "clear" of ice but you sure as hell spent a lot of bandwidth to tell us how it was shrinking and not

Oh, you were aware you weren't telling the truth,. That definitely makes you a liar.

Nukeman
11-25-2008, 08:15 PM
Oh, you were aware you weren't telling the truth,. That definitely makes you a liar.
NO dumb fuck I didn't remember EVERY stupid post you made about how humans are the root cause of everything bad in the world. So I went through YOUR post and admitted my mistake so why don't you just go fuck yourself asshole.

Unlike you, I will admit when I am wrong jerkoff...:fu:

SpidermanTUba
11-25-2008, 08:19 PM
NO dumb fuck I didn't remember EVERY stupid post you made about how humans are the root cause of everything bad in the world.

Ahh - so you were just making stuff up about me. OK.

Nukeman
11-25-2008, 08:25 PM
Ahh - so you were just making stuff up about me. OK.
Don't flatter yourself idiot.... You give enough that we really don't need to make stuff up. Ohh by the way I said I made a M..I..S..T..A..K..E.. There I typed it real slow for you to U..N..D..E..R..S..T..A..N..D..

SpidermanTUba
11-26-2008, 02:35 PM
Don't flatter yourself idiot.... You give enough that we really don't need to make stuff up. Ohh by the way I said I made a M..I..S..T..A..K..E.. .


Yeah you made a mistake - you fabricated lies about me and were caught. That's a mistake - I understand that.

Nukeman
11-26-2008, 02:37 PM
Yeah you made a mistake - you fabricated lies about me and were caught. That's a mistake - I understand that.Last thing I will ever write to you

FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!

Des
11-26-2008, 03:40 PM
Other than faulty logic, you base all this on what - your intuition?

How exactly is my logic faulty, based on something other than your intuition?

SpidermanTUba
11-27-2008, 03:16 AM
How exactly is my logic faulty, based on something other than your intuition?



"The truth is, climate change will happen with us or without us, because we are a natural part of the enviroment. "

What is the meaning of this?

Sitarro
11-27-2008, 07:45 AM
"The truth is, climate change will happen with us or without us, because we are a natural part of the enviroment. "

What is the meaning of this?

Only an asshole would ever consider living in a city shaped like a bowl surrounded by water 29 feet above it, You live around that dump known as Nawlins right........ asshole? The seas don't need to rise to flood that shit hole, the river just needs to shift a little and SEE YA! And also, LSU sucks dick and is a joke.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

SpidermanTUba
01-06-2009, 06:18 PM
:clap:

hur Herman | August 04, 2008
IT has been a tough year for the high priests of global warming in the US. First, NASA had to correct its earlier claim that the hottest year on record in the contiguous US had been 1998, which seemed to prove that global warming was on the march. It was actually 1934. Then it turned out the world's oceans have been growing steadily cooler, not hotter, since 2003. Meanwhile, the winter of 2007 was the coldest in the US in decades, after Al Gore warned us that we were about to see the end of winter as we know it.


1998 is still the warmest year on record globally. Its called GLOBAL warming, not US warming.

2008 is the 141st coldest year out of the last 150. The 91st coolest out of the last 100. 10th warmest on record. Not exactly indicative of a cooling trend.

red states rule
01-06-2009, 06:24 PM
Newspaper Seriously Considers Absurd 'Geoengineering' to Cool Down Planet


http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/pjcomix/blog/gwhoax.jpg


Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

Poll of international experts by The Independent reveals consensus that CO2 cuts have failed – and their growing support for technological intervention

By Steve Connor, Science Editor and Chris Green

An emergency "Plan B" using the latest technology is needed to save the world from dangerous climate change, according to a poll of leading scientists carried out by The Independent. The collective international failure to curb the growing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has meant that an alternative to merely curbing emissions may become necessary.


The plan would involve highly controversial proposals to lower global temperatures artificially through daringly ambitious schemes that either reduce sunlight levels by man-made means or take CO2 out of the air. This "geoengineering" approach – including schemes such as fertilising the oceans with iron to stimulate algal blooms – would have been dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but is now being seen by the majority of scientists we surveyed as a viable emergency backup plan that could save the planet from the worst effects of climate change, at least until deep cuts are made in CO2 emissions.

What has worried many of the experts, who include recognised authorities from the world's leading universities and research institutes, as well as a Nobel Laureate, is the failure to curb global greenhouse gas emissions through international agreements, namely the Kyoto Treaty, and recent studies indicating that the Earth's natural carbon "sinks" are becoming less efficient at absorbing man-made CO2 from the atmosphere.

Levels of CO2 have continued to increase during the past decade since the treaty was agreed and they are now rising faster than even the worst-case scenarios from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations body. In the meantime the natural absorption of CO2 by the world's forests and oceans has decreased significantly. Most of the scientists we polled agreed that the failure to curb emissions of CO2, which are increasing at a rate of 1 per cent a year, has created the need for an emergency "plan B" involving research, development and possible implementation of a worldwide geoengineering strategy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-scientists-its-time-for-plan-b-1221092.html

SpidermanTUba
01-07-2009, 10:56 AM
...and recent studies indicating that the Earth's natural carbon "sinks" are becoming less efficient at absorbing man-made CO2 from the atmosphere.


This is an example of journalistic stupidity. No scientist would ever say "less efficient at absorbing man-made CO2 from the atmosphere" because its an incomplete statement - and its misleading. Might lead one to think man-made CO2 is somehow fundamentally different. Other than isotope abundancy ratios, it isn't. The more correct, more general statement is ""less efficient at absorbing CO2 from the atmosphere""

red states rule
01-08-2009, 07:59 AM
http://newsbusters.org/static/2009/01/Gore%20Belgium.jpg