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crin63
08-23-2008, 06:44 PM
This is Great! I love it! I wonder why it hasn't gone MSM yet after all he is one of lefts heroes filing lawsuits against President Bush and others.

http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=20080822_obama_us_citizenship.htm


(Best Syndication News) The complaint is asking for declaratory (asking the court to declare Obama is not a US citizen, a “natural born” citizen and not eligible under the qualifications of the US Constitution to run for Office of President).

The law suite is asking for a temporary restraining order (TRO) prohibiting Obama from running for President until documents are provided proving he is eligible to run for POTUS.

The lawsuit was filed by a Phillip J. Berg (former chair of the PA democratic party) in Philadelphia courthouse against Barack Obama and the DNC for Obama’s ineligibility to run for President of the United States based on his not being a “natural born” citizen:

The lawsuit contends that Obama has held multiple (Kenya and Indonesia citizenships) and that he was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama has claimed. The lawsuit has also been filed against the DNC.

The prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed the suite in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee. The suite further seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him at the upcoming Demo convention. The law suite claims that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Phillip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC are to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated."

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in the lawsuit documents maintained that Sen. Obama is not a naturalized U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."

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Classact
08-23-2008, 06:46 PM
I beat you by nine minutes but your post looks better!

crin63
08-23-2008, 06:55 PM
I beat you by nine minutes but your post looks better!

Sorry, Thanks and LOL!! I looked before I posted it. I had to go open up my church for the cleaning crew during the middle of posting it.

Classact
08-23-2008, 09:34 PM
Sorry, Thanks and LOL!! I looked before I posted it. I had to go open up my church for the cleaning crew during the middle of posting it.Here's a link to the Daily Kos wacko site on the subject http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/22/123322/688/867/572715

This is all over the web... if Hillary gets booed next week it could be related to this. I went to the FEC offical site and couldn't find a press release but they state they keep initial filings confidential as the probable cause is determined.

Classact
08-24-2008, 03:26 PM
The Daily Kos has an interesting article on this case here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/22/12.../688/867/572715 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/22/123322/688/867/572715)

If in fact the case has been accepted by the FEC it is still under review according to their site

By law, FEC must attempt to resolve its enforcement cases or Matters Under Review (MURs) through a confidential investigative process that culminates in a conciliation agreement with the respondent(s). Should that process fail, both the Commission and the respondent(s) have the option to pursue the matter to court. Links to additional information on the enforcement process and to closed MUR files appear below.http://www.fec.gov/em/mur.shtml#recent The same site has a listing of closed cases and rejected cases, MUR's of which neither has the alleged filings results.

It would appear that the case is under review, and if so based on the alleged filing http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066207/posts the complainant request the court not allow Obama to be nominated until the case is resolved. I would guess the FEC is doing some fact checking of their own with the upcoming deadline.

Psychoblues
08-24-2008, 03:51 PM
It's bullshit. Lot's of information available on this subject.

The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Analysis
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.............

More: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

But, if chasing your tails makes you feel better about what is going to happen in November then things like this claim certainly have their purposes, don't they?!??!?!?!?!?


:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

crin63
08-24-2008, 04:22 PM
But, if chasing your tails makes you feel better about what is going to happen in November then things like this claim certainly have their purposes, don't they?!??!?!?!?!?

No tail chasing here, I just find it entertaining. Its a Hillary supporter that filed the lawsuit and I'm just gonna sit back and watch the cat fight over a glass of iced tea.

Fox News is picking up Hillary supporters from what I heard also and I'm enjoying that as well.

Psychoblues
08-24-2008, 04:44 PM
My wife and I were and are Hillary supporters, c'63. We don't represent anyone beyond ourselves on this issue but we are also entertained to some small and rather sick degree by the antics and demands for attention by some self appointed representatives of the Clinton machine. Hillary is not a party to this action that is somehow being attributed to her or her campaign. Hillary will be speaking at the Convention and I suggest you watch and listen as she sooths the feelings of some of her supporters that feel so misunderstood or left out?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? For me, now that will be genuine entertainment!!!!!!!!!!




No tail chasing here, I just find it entertaining. Its a Hillary supporter that filed the lawsuit and I'm just gonna sit back and watch the cat fight over a glass of iced tea.
Fox News is picking up Hillary supporters from what I heard also and I'm enjoying that as well.

As far as FauxNews picking up any Clinton supporters, I seriously doubt that is happening or even might happen. What makes you think that it is happening, c'63? Or, was the statement only anecdotal?

In the meantime, can I get you another iced tea?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

crin63
08-24-2008, 05:06 PM
As far as FauxNews picking up any Clinton supporters, I seriously doubt that is happening or even might happen. What makes you think that it is happening, c'63? Or, was the statement only anecdotal?

In the meantime, can I get you another iced tea?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

Sure another tea would be great, thanks.

It was a pollster I believe that I heard talk about the Hillary supporters starting to watch Fox News because some felt it was the only station fair to her.

Shadow
08-24-2008, 09:10 PM
As far as FauxNews picking up any Clinton supporters, I seriously doubt that is happening or even might happen. What makes you think that it is happening, c'63? Or, was the statement only anecdotal?


:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

I've been to multiple Hillary supporters blogs and web pages. They definately watch FOX news AND they also listen to Rush and Sean Hannity's radio shows now,infact they call in frequently.

Psychoblues
08-25-2008, 12:17 AM
I think you may have misunderstood, shadow.



I've been to multiple Hillary supporters blogs and web pages. They definately watch FOX news AND they also listen to Rush and Sean Hannity's radio shows now,infact they call in frequently.

There have always been liberals including Clinton supporters that check in with FauxNews and the radio shows you mention. The inference is they are picking up new ones from the Clinton camp due to their dissatisfaction for whatever reason with the Democratic Party. This may sound a bit too nuanced for you, but I don't deny the allegation, I deny the importance of it as the numbers are certainly insignificant as to indicate any revolt or head for the hills mentality by the Clinton camp. There are many dissappointed Clintoneers, me included. But, we play the cards as dealt to us and folding is not an option. Can you dig it?

Pay attention to the Convention. It promises to be amazing!!!!!!!!!!

Is the bar open yet?

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

manu1959
08-25-2008, 12:21 AM
I think you may have misunderstood, shadow.




There have always been liberals including Clinton supporters that check in with FauxNews and the radio shows you mention. The inference is they are picking up new ones from the Clinton camp due to their dissatisfaction for whatever reason with the Democratic Party. This may sound a bit too nuanced for you, but I don't deny the allegation, I deny the importance of it as the numbers are certainly insignificant as to indicate any revolt or head for the hills mentality by the Clinton camp. There are many dissappointed Clintoneers, me included. But, we play the cards as dealt to us and folding is not an option. Can you dig it?

Pay attention to the Convention. It promises to be amazing!!!!!!!!!!

Is the bar open yet?

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

the bar is always open......patron?......problem is.....45% like him....45% don't.....10% get to decide......and tthe othe 50% don't vote....

Psychoblues
08-25-2008, 12:37 AM
That is the honest but sad truth, senor' m'59!!!!!!!!!!!!


the bar is always open......patron?......problem is.....45% like him....45% don't.....10% get to decide......and tthe othe 50% don't vote....

Man, I'll take my usual Busch, and a Patron coming up for you!!!!!!!!!!!!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

Classact
08-25-2008, 06:49 AM
It's bullshit. Lot's of information available on this subject.

The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Analysis
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.............

More: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

But, if chasing your tails makes you feel better about what is going to happen in November then things like this claim certainly have their purposes, don't they?!??!?!?!?!?


:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:
Do you think the Federal Election commission uses fact check or do their own investigations? Maybe Obama's brother is a US citizent too?
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