Catholics Outraged by Palin Insults

[Joe Steel]

Palin mocked Barack Obama's service to the community and Catholics around the country find that reprehensible.


Catholics across the country continue to be outraged by Republican politician Sarah Palin who repeated her smear against Catholic Action by mocking Barack Obama’s service as director of a community group sponsored by the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (an arm of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops) and led by eight Catholic parishes on the South Side of Chicago.
...

Now for the attacks on this Catholic sponsored social action initiative. At the Republican Party National Convention, Palin and ex-New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani mocked the work Barack Obama did for this group of churches that were concerned about their parishioners, many of whom had been laid off when the steel mills closed on the south side of Chicago. As for Barack Obama’s service as a community organizer, Giuliani even sneered “I don't even know what that is.” Palin, who was baptized but not raised Catholic and sought “re-baptism” in a Protestant Church can be forgiven for knowing little of the Catholic Church’s admirable witness for the poor and socially marginalized. But even a lapsed Catholic like Giuliani should know of the Catholic Church’s concern for the poor and oppressed.

Joe Klein’s take on this: This is what Palin and Giuliani were mocking. They were making fun of a young man's decision "to serve a cause greater than himself," in the words of John McCain. They were, therefore, mocking one of their candidate's favorite messages. Obama served the poor for three years, then went to law school. To describe this service--the first thing he did out of college, the sort of service every college-educated American should perform, in some form or other--as anything other than noble is cheap and tawdry and cynical in the extreme.

Catholics Outraged by Palin Insults (http://catholicsforobama.blogspot.com/2008/09/catholics-outraged-by-palin-insults.html)

[SassyLady]

Palin mocked Barack Obama's service to the community and Catholics around the country find that reprehensible.

So, she said that being a small town mayor was similar to being a community organizer but with real responsibilities and they found that offensive. I understood her to be comparing his experience as similar to that of a small town mayor.

Perhaps those that were offended should be offended by Barak's support of a minister who asks God to damn America. Me thinks they've got their perspectives out of balance about what is reprehensible and what isn't.

[stephanie]

I'd be curious when this web=site was started...yesterday...

too bad if they are OUTRAGED, they'll just have to deal with it won't they, just like the millions of community organizers that crawled out of the woodwork last weeks..:laugh2:..

maybe they could pray about it...

[emmett]

Barack Obama used cocaine Joe. Where did he get the money for it? It is quite pricy I understand!

Biden said in the primary that Obama would require OJT.

Obama has never lead anything, make a single executive decision. NONE!!!



These are the issues you need to be worrying about. Not Sarah Palin. Concentrate on your candidate. You know,,,, the one who is running for president!

[Yurt]

CATHOLICS FOR OBAMA-BIDEN

:lol: no bias from that website...

and hey, where is the outrage to obama bashing her town in AK? obama flat out said that his campaign for president is more important than her being mayor of a town in AK. your presidential candidate is flacking elitist snob.

[PostmodernProphet]

oe Klein’s take on this: This is what Palin and Giuliani were mocking. They were making fun of a young man's decision "to serve a cause greater than himself,"

well, here's the problem then....the folks who wrote this web site completely misunderstood the point.....they weren't making fun of Obama's decision to serve, they were making fun of Obama's claim that it was sufficient experience to get elected to serve....

[emmett]

Palin mocked Barack Obama's service to the community and Catholics around the country find that reprehensible.


Is there a point I am missing here?

Her statement was absolute truth! He was not responsible for the outcome of the work. The church was......you know..the bishops you mention. They were the executives!

I think we should settle this issue about Sarah vs. Obama once and for all. Since the left seems to have made it a Sarah vs. Obama thing.

Let them play a game of basketball one on one......no....that wouldn't be fair.

OK....how about a shooting contest......NOPE not fair either!

How about executive experience...Oops! Not fair agin......he has none!

OK......Hmmmm.......ah......well.........ah....... ....I'll think of something!

[Joe Steel]

So, she said that being a small town mayor was similar to being a community organizer but with real responsibilities and they found that offensive. I understood her to be comparing his experience as similar to that of a small town mayor.

Then you need lessons in recognizing sarcasm.


Perhaps those that were offended should be offended by Barak's support of a minister who asks God to damn America. Me thinks they've got their perspectives out of balance about what is reprehensible and what isn't.

Perhaps they should be offended by a candidate for the vice presidency who supports a group seeking Alaska secession.

[Joe Steel]

Obama has never lead anything, make a single executive decision. NONE!!!

Nonsense.

That's not true.

Read the article.

[manu1959]

Perhaps they should be offended by a candidate for the vice presidency who supports a group seeking Alaska secession.

really......when was she a part of that group and or how did she support them.......

[MtnBiker]

Here is some information on actual pissed of Catholics;


NEW YORK, NY (CNA) - Representative Nancy Pelosi has been a lightning rod for the ire of conservatives for some time, but now she has drawn fire of a different kind. Within the last 24 hours, the archbishops of Denver, New York, Philadelphia and Washington D.C., along with Bishop William Lori have all publicly upbraided the Speaker of the House for her erroneous comments on the Church’s abortion teaching.


and a quote form Cardinal Egan;


The head of the Catholic Church in New York closed his statement by saying that anyone who defends abortion is not fit to be a leader in a civilized democracy. “Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being ‘chooses’ to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.”


http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=29033 (http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=29033)

[stephanie]

Then you need lessons in recognizing sarcasm.



Perhaps they should be offended by a candidate for the vice presidency who supports a group seeking Alaska secession.

perhaps.

because as we know, liberals are in a perpetual state of outrage...that's why they say...Liberalism is a mental disorder..

:cuckoo:

[Joe Steel]

well, here's the problem then....the folks who wrote this web site completely misunderstood the point.....they weren't making fun of Obama's decision to serve, they were making fun of Obama's claim that it was sufficient experience to get elected to serve....

I don't recall him saying it was sufficient. When was that?

[SassyLady]

I don't recall him saying it was sufficient. When was that?

Joe - do you think he's experienced enough? If so, please cite what qualifies as experience.

[stephanie]

I don't recall him saying it was sufficient. When was that?


funny..you can recall every tiny detail of what Sarah Palin said, but you can't remember ANYTHING it seems, that your boy wonder has said..

:lame2:

[Joe Steel]

Joe - do you think he's experienced enough? If so, please cite what qualifies as experience.

Barack Obama has sufficient experience for the presidency. He has been exposed to national and international issues in his service as a state and United States senator. He has a clear vision of what he wants to do and he inspires loyalty and dedication in his supporters.

[Joe Steel]

funny..you can recall every tiny detail of what Sarah Palin said, but you can't remember ANYTHING it seems, that your boy wonder has said..

I never claimed to recall everything Palin has ever said. I'm fairly confident, though, that Obama has never claimed his service as a community organizer, exclusively, qualified him for the presidency.

[MtnBiker]

Barack Obama has sufficient experience for the presidency. He has been exposed to national and international issues in his service as a state and United States senator. He has a clear vision of what he wants to do and he inspires loyalty and dedication in his supporters.

So, basically all he has is exposure, vision and inspiration. Wow, totally cool, dude!

[stephanie]

So, basically all he has is exposure, vision and inspiration. Wow, totally cool, dude!

don't forget..he be the "ONE"..so all those you mentioned is all he needs..:coffee:

[Yurt]

I don't recall him saying it was sufficient. When was that?


“Well, my understanding is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We’ve got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month. So I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the last couple of years,” Obama said.
link (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/02/obama-i-have-more-executive-experience-than-palin/)


:lol:

[Joe Steel]

So, basically all he has is exposure, vision and inspiration. Wow, totally cool, dude!

That and his executive experience in his roles as a community organizer and candidate for the presidency.

[stephanie]

That and his executive experience in his roles as a community organizer and candidate for the presidency.

Oh jeez...that will make me sleep better at night..:rolleyes:

[SassyLady]

Barack Obama has sufficient experience for the presidency. He has been exposed to national and international issues in his service as a state and United States senator. He has a clear vision of what he wants to do and he inspires loyalty and dedication in his supporters.

Let's use your theory about "sufficient".

John McCain has more than sufficient experience for the presidency because he has more years serving as a Senator than Barak. He has been exposed to more national and international issues in his service as a state and United States senator than Barak. He has also commanded troops, has Barak or Biden?

Sarah Palin has more than sufficient experience for the vice presidency. She has been exposed to national and executive service as a State Governor. She has also commanded troops - has Barak or Biden?

Both McCain and Palin have has a clear vision of what they want to do and they are inspiring loyalty and dedication in their supporters.

So tell me how Barak possesses anything different to convince me that I should vote for him?

[emmett]

I never claimed to recall everything Palin has ever said. I'm fairly confident, though, that Obama has never claimed his service as a community organizer, exclusively, qualified him for the presidency.


YOU ARE RIGHT JOE!!!

He said running a campagne qualified him for president. Don't let these hard core righties put words in your mouth son! By golly, you'll show em!

Barack Obama said that his experience as a community organizer and running a campagne qualified him for the Presidency. Now........Git em bud!

[Joe Steel]

Let's use your theory about "sufficient".

John McCain has more than sufficient experience for the presidency because he has more years serving as a Senator than Barak. He has been exposed to more national and international issues in his service as a state and United States senator than Barak. He has also commanded troops, has Barak or Biden?

Sarah Palin has more than sufficient experience for the vice presidency. She has been exposed to national and executive service as a State Governor. She has also commanded troops - has Barak or Biden?

Both McCain and Palin have has a clear vision of what they want to do and they are inspiring loyalty and dedication in their supporters.

So tell me how Barak possesses anything different to convince me that I should vote for him?

You're welcome to your opinion but I find nothing in McCain's or Palin's background which better quailfies them for the presidency than Obama or Biden. Neither McCain or Palin has demonstrated the vision or insight which would qualify them dealing with the problems Americans are facing.

[manu1959]

Barack Obama has sufficient experience for the presidency. He has been exposed to national and international issues in his service as a state and United States senator. He has a clear vision of what he wants to do and he inspires loyalty and dedication in his supporters.

that makes pretty much all senators qualified.....so he is no beter than a 100 other folks....

[MtnBiker]

How does Obama's vision for the country differ than Bill Richardson's? Or Hillary's?

[stephanie]

Obama's platform is Socialism, if not Marxism...Joe and the other Democrats here seem to like that..

[MtnBiker]

That and his executive experience in his roles as a community organizer and candidate for the presidency.

That should be made into a bumper sticker!


Obama a true American Executive
in
communinty organization and running for President

[SassyLady]

You're welcome to your opinion but I find nothing in McCain's or Palin's background which better quailfies them for the presidency than Obama or Biden. Neither McCain or Palin has demonstrated the vision or insight which would qualify them dealing with the problems Americans are facing.


Joe - you didn't answer my questions. Have either Barak or Joe commanded troops?

I can't vote for someone who just has a vision - I need to know that they can command while under stress............and also, that they don't stutter trying to think of the "appropriate" thing to say because they are worried about pissing off someone with what they really think.

I gave you a chance to tell me what Barak has to differeniate himself from McCain. You chose, instead, to denigrate McCain/Palin. I gave you a concrete piece of evidence of why McCain/Palin are better qualified. Guess you can't find anything. I totally understand.......it's so much easier to attack than to support. I just haven't been here long enough to realize that you are a "lazy" supporter.

[emmett]

You're welcome to your opinion but I find nothing in McCain's or Palin's background which better quailfies them for the presidency than Obama or Biden. Neither McCain or Palin has demonstrated the vision or insight which would qualify them dealing with the problems Americans are facing.





:lol:

[Yurt]

That and his executive experience in his roles as a community organizer and candidate for the presidency.

:laugh2:

so running for president qualifies you to be president

[Silver]

Palin mocked Barack Obama's service to the community and Catholics around the country find that reprehensible.

Manufactured bullshit....(artificial manure)...good for growing Dimocrates....

[MtnBiker]

:laugh2:

so running for president qualifies you to be president

That's right, or as Manu put it, job hunting for 2 years qualifies you to get the job.

Imagine this;

"Well Mister Human Resource Manager, I have a good education. I have been a community organizer. I have 143 days experience in my previous job. I also have exposure, vision and can really deliver a speech. I have been job hunting for the past 2 years and therefore I should be the next CEO of your Fortune 500 company. And oh, by the way I took a vacation to Europe last month."

[avatar4321]

Barack Obama has sufficient experience for the presidency. He has been exposed to national and international issues in his service as a state and United States senator. He has a clear vision of what he wants to do and he inspires loyalty and dedication in his supporters.

Oh really? What does he plan to do? I mean other than lower the sea level and heal the world. I mean actual plans here.

[Joe Steel]

:laugh2:

so running for president qualifies you to be president

No. Running a campaign for the presidency is executive experience on par with that associated with the mayoralty of a small town.

[avatar4321]

Vision is useless without the ability to implement it.

[SassyLady]

No. Running a campaign for the presidency is executive experience on par with that associated with the mayoralty of a small town.

You are soooooooo right and exactly the point Sarah and Rudy made. However, she has also moved on to govern a state and in a position to command the Alaskan National Guard. I thinks this trumps managing a campaign any day.:laugh2:

[Yurt]

No. Running a campaign for the presidency is executive experience on par with that associated with the mayoralty of a small town.

bullcowpie

so obama has been campaigning for 8 years?

[Gaffer]

bullcowpie

so obama has been campaigning for 8 years?

You realize that's actually a true statement. :laugh2:

[retiredman]

You are soooooooo right and exactly the point Sarah and Rudy made. However, she has also moved on to govern a state and in a position to command the Alaskan National Guard. I thinks this trumps managing a campaign any day.:laugh2:

she has never commanded the alaskan national guard to do anything. in that regard, merely having the title does not give you any experience.

[SassyLady]

she has never commanded the alaskan national guard to do anything. in that regard, merely having the title does not give you any experience.

Check your facts.......she just recently commanded them for hurricane relief for Gustav.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OLtHdJ_gUk

[hjmick]

so obama has been campaigning for 8 years?

Certainly he has been campaigning for at least four years, and I would say he's had his eye on the job for at least eight. Yes, I think he was lying when he stated, after winning his Senate seat, that he would not be seeking the Office of the President.

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Yes, I think he was lying when he told Tim Russert in 2006: "I will serve out my full six-year term."


MR. RUSSERT: There's been enormous speculation about your political future, Senator. The man you succeeded in the Senate, Peter Fitzgerald, a Republican, said this recently. "I think there's a very good chance that Senator Obama is on the Democratic ticket in 2008 as the vice presidential nominee." Do you agree?

SEN. OBAMA: No. I can't speculate on those kinds of things. What I have said is that, you know, I'm not focused on running for higher office, I'm focused on doing the job that the people of Illinois sent me to do.

MR. RUSSERT: But there seems to be an evolution in your thinking. This is what you told the Chicago Tribune last month: "Have you ruled out running for another office before your term is up?" Obama answered, "It's not something I anticipate doing." But when we talked back in November of '04 after your election I said, "There's been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?" Obama, "Absolutely."

SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you're going to get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.

MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice-president in 2008?

SEN. OBAMA: I will not.

There is nothing special about Barack Obama. He just another lying politician.

[MtnBiker]

No. Running a campaign for the presidency is executive experience on par with that associated with the mayoralty of a small town.

Is the Obama campaign going to try to compare their canidate for President with McCain's canidate for Vice-President?

Even the press will quickly point out the Obama is running against McCain and not Palin. It will also be pointed out the even if running a campaign for the presidency is equal to a mayor of a small town that the Vice-President canidate is acually a Governor. It will also be pointed out that Obama is not running his campaign, David Plouffe is the Obama campaign manager.

However if the dems believe it is a good policy to have Obama's campaign start running and comparing Obama to Palin, they should go right on ahead.

[Joe Steel]

Is the Obama campaign going to try to compare their canidate for President with McCain's canidate for Vice-President?

Even the press will quickly point out the Obama is running against McCain and not Palin. It will also be pointed out the even if running a campaign for the presidency is equal to a mayor of a small town that the Vice-President canidate is acually a Governor. It will also be pointed out that Obama is not running his campaign, David Plouffe is the Obama campaign manager.

However if the dems believe it is a good policy to have Obama's campaign start running and comparing Obama to Palin, they should go right on ahead.

The McCain campaign is making the comparison not the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign is illustrating the fallacy of the their argument.

[Joe Steel]

You are soooooooo right and exactly the point Sarah and Rudy made. However, she has also moved on to govern a state and in a position to command the Alaskan National Guard. I thinks this trumps managing a campaign any day.:laugh2:

Alaska is a small (population,) rural state with nowhere near the scope or severity of problems faced by the United States. Obama's experience in the Illinois and US senates have exposed him to issues which better represent those of the American people as a whole than has Palin's. On that basis, Obama is better-qualified.

[Nukeman]

Alaska is a small (population,) rural state with nowhere near the scope or severity of problems faced by the United States. Obama's experience in the Illinois and US senates have exposed him to issues which better represent those of the American people as a whole than has Palin's. On that basis, Obama is better-qualified. I take exception to this statement! I think her experience and life as well Alaskan problems and issues is very much in line with a "VAST MAJORITY" of the U.S.

Believe it or not Joe most of the U.S. is rural and have most of the same issues, The U.S. is much more than the costal states and a couple of metropolitan area's that have exagerated problems.

I think as a whole Palin has a "BETTER" grasp of the pulse of this nation than Obama could ever think of having. She is much more intune with the "average" person than Obama or Biden....

[theHawk]

Palin mocked Barack Obama's service to the community and Catholics around the country find that reprehensible.

Yea right. First of all they aren't saying being a community organizer is a bad thing, they're saying it doesn't qualify one to be President.


Do you honestly believe that Catholics are going to choose the pro-abortion, pro-infantcide Obama over the pro-lifer Palin??!! Every Catholic I know LOVES the Palin pick.


Keep digging Joe, soon you'll dig yourself a hole all the way to communist China, and you'll be home at last!

[Joe Steel]

I take exception to this statement! I think her experience and life as well Alaskan problems and issues is very much in line with a "VAST MAJORITY" of the U.S.

Believe it or not Joe most of the U.S. is rural and have most of the same issues, The U.S. is much more than the costal states and a couple of metropolitan area's that have exagerated problems.

Nope.


About 70% of the population of the United States lives within the boundaries of urbanized area (210 out of 300 million). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area)


I think as a whole Palin has a "BETTER" grasp of the pulse of this nation than Obama could ever think of having. She is much more intune with the "average" person than Obama or Biden....

That can't possibly be. Most Americans have lifestyles substantially different from Alaskans. For one thing, Alaska's economy is very different from that of the US as a whole. Most Alaskan workers do substantially different things than most Americans.

[Joe Steel]

Yea right. First of all they aren't saying being a community organizer is a bad thing, they're saying it doesn't qualify one to be President.

Nope. Palin attempted to ridicule community organizers; "actual responsibilities," etc.


Do you honestly believe that Catholics are going to choose the pro-abortion, pro-infantcide Obama over the pro-lifer Palin??!! Every Catholic I know LOVES the Palin pick.

Yes. Most catholics aren't particularly concerned about the Chuches teaching on birth control, abortion, etc.

[Nukeman]

Nope.





That can't possibly be. Most Americans have lifestyles substantially different from Alaskans. For one thing, Alaska's economy is very different from that of the US as a whole. Most Alaskan workers do substantially different things than most Americans.
the link YOU provided had NO information about the number of people living in urban area. It did however list what an urban area is and an urban cluster. You do realize that most American would be considered living in an "Urban Cluster" that is a groupe of 10,000 or more and they dont have to live right on top of each other. I can't believe your really going to tell me that YOU think that out of 300 million people 210 million live in large cities in the US. If that was the case we wouldn't need the fuel we consume for commutes.

The Alaskan economy is the U.S. economy, last I checked they are PART OF THE U.S. or did you fail that part of U.S. history and geography??

Your also telling me that nowhere else do they drill for oil or fish or hunt because that is soo different from the rest of the U.S...:laugh2:

I think YOU need to get the hell out of the city and actually realize that the vast majority of people in this great country DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. They may be catagorized as urban but are in acuality far from it.....

[Joe Steel]

the link YOU provided had NO information about the number of people living in urban area. It did however list what an urban area is and an urban cluster. You do realize that most American would be considered living in an "Urban Cluster" that is a groupe of 10,000 or more and they dont have to live right on top of each other. I can't believe your really going to tell me that YOU think that out of 300 million people 210 million live in large cities in the US. If that was the case we wouldn't need the fuel we consume for commutes.

From the article:


"The term urbanized area denotes an urban area of 50,000 or more people.
...

The US Census Bureau defines an urban area as: "Core census block groups or blocks that have a population density of at least 1,000 people per square mile (386 per square kilometer) and surrounding census blocks that have an overall density of at least 500 people per square mile (193 per square kilometer)."
...

About 70% of the population of the United States lives within the boundaries of urbanized area (210 out of 300 million).

I can't make it any simpler than that: most Americans live in relativity high density communities.


The Alaskan economy is the U.S. economy, last I checked they are PART OF THE U.S. or did you fail that part of U.S. history and geography??

Do you understand anything of demographics, statistics or economics?

The Alaskan economy is part of the US economy but it's attributes are different than the economy in the aggregate.

[midcan5]

Imagine you select a person to be VP and they ask what a VP does!!! Karl and Sarah two phonies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNu1uRcs87I


McCain entered Annapolis through affirmative action for the connected. A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for the privileged class.

[Yurt]

Imagine you select a person to be VP and they ask what a VP does!!! Karl and Sarah two phonies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNu1uRcs87I


McCain entered Annapolis through affirmative action for the connected. A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for the privileged class.

what a veep does formally is not much, save being second in line, presiding officer of the senate...informally, it is anyone's guess, so to presume that you know the exact answer is bullcowpatty

[MtnBiker]

The McCain campaign is making the comparison not the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign is illustrating the fallacy of the their argument.

Obama himself makes the comparison that running his campaign is experience in relationship to a mayor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxUCfdfRnP8&feature=related

That video was added to YouTube on September 2, Governor Palin's speech at the RNC was September 3.

[MtnBiker]

By the way, does anybody know if Nancy Pelosi has reconciled with the Catholic Cardinal Egan of New York? Or is he still outraged at her statement?

[Nukeman]

From the article:



I can't make it any simpler than that: most Americans live in relativity high density communities.



Do you understand anything of demographics, statistics or economics?

.I really like how you pick and choose what part of the article to present. You forgot this one that doesn't go along with your agenda


The majority of urbanized area residents are suburbanites; core central city residents make up about 30% of the urbanized area population (about 60 out of 210 million).

how about this one as well


In the United States there are two categories of urban area. The term urbanized area denotes an urban area of 50,000 or more people. Urban areas under 50,000 people are called urban clusters. Urbanized areas were first delineated in the United States in the 1950 census, while urban clusters were added in the 2000 census. There are 1371 United States Urban Areas & Urban Clusters with more than 10,000 people.


The Alaskan economy is part of the US economy but it's attributes are different than the economy in the aggregateYou do realize that this can be said for almost EVERY state in the union don't you. Each stae has its own economy. Last time I checked Alaska was part of the "aggregate".


Way to cut and paste to say JUST what you want