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GW in Ohio
03-14-2007, 01:59 PM
KEYSTONE — Global warming is the hottest story of our time, and it will get even bigger as the full implications of melting ice caps and rising sea levels percolate through the media pipeline and into general public awareness, a panel of journalists said last weekend during the American Bar Association's environmental law conference.

The discussion was focused on how the media has covered the story and whether or not public perception of global warming has changed in recent months and years. Among the questions the panelists tried to answer is why it has taken so long for the story to reach critical mass.

Most of the panelists credited Al Gore's documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," with helping to generate attention. The Democratic takeover in Congress has also advanced public debate, the panelists said. And even though the basic global warming science — heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere — is "third-grade" stuff, according the Wall Street Journal's John Fialka, the issues have been clouded by a massive, industry funded propaganda and disinformation campaign aimed at creating uncertainty.

But now the issue is taking center stage, and journalists must help explain the evolving story in terms that readers can understand, by showing them how the impacts will affect their lives, the panelists agreed.

Widespread impacts

"If the scientists are anywhere near right, we can expect massive dislocations," said Fialka, of the Wall Street Journal's Washington, D.C., bureau. As always, the biggest burden will fall on the poor when sea levels rise and disease vectors grow in developing countries, he said, adding that those impacts will subsequently require the charity of developed industrial countries.

The next section of an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, focusing on global warming impacts, is due to be released at a meeting in Belgium next month. A draft version of the report says that, within a few decades, hundreds of millions of people will face water shortages, while tens of millions will be flooded out of their homes. Tropical diseases like malaria will spread, pests like fire ants will thrive and by 2050, polar bears will mostly be found in zoos. By 2080, hundreds of millions of people could face starvation, according to the IPCC draft report.

"We live in a country where more people care about the death of Anna Nicole Smith than the death of a planet," said moderator Judy Muller, a long-time NPR contributor and associate professor at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School of Journalism.

Most of the panelists agreed that there has been a huge change in public perception of the global warming issue just in the past year. After explaining that the story has been reported for several decades, they tried to answer the question of why it has taken so long to catch hold.

The challenge at this point may be explaining the full import of global warming, said ABC News correspondent Bill Blakemore, who's been reporting on the issue for more than two years.

Blakemore, who has covered numerous wars over the years, said global warming is the most challenging story he's worked on.

"It's surreal to have pre-eminent scientists tell us very seriously that civilization as we know it is over," Blakemore said. "The scale is unprecedented. It touches every aspect of life."

Cost and consensus

For one thing, it's becoming clear that global warming is going to cost — big-time — across all sectors of the economy.

"All the major stakeholders are going to take a hit — unions, the energy industry, everybody," Fialka said.

"The public debate is lagging way behind scientific consensus, which is as strong as the consensus on the link between smoking and cancer," said author Eugene Linden, who penned a recent book on the issue called "The Winds of Change; Climate, Weather and the Destruction of Civilizations."

According to Linden and Blakemore, the global warming issue has been the subject of a massive, industry-sponsored disinformation and propaganda campaign aimed at creating the perception that there is still a scientific debate on the basic facts of global warming.

"We have been spun by Exxon and Peabody Coal," Blakemore said, comparing the situation to the long-running effort by tobacco companies to create uncertainty about the health risks of smoking.


Political context

"We had a chance to have a reasonable debate," Linden replied. "Instead we had denial. The Bush administration and a Republican Congress had years and years to frame a response to global warming that doesn't involve government regulation," Linden continued.

But that never happened because the Republican leadership never acknowledged that global warming exists, said panelist Margaret Kriz, who covers energy and the environment for the National Journal.

"The people who set the agenda didn't believe, so for all practical purposes, it didn't exist," Kriz said, singling committee chairs like James Inhofe, who loudly claimed that global warming was a hoax, using his leadership role on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee as his pulpit.

Linden said those denialists are now losing credibility by changing their tune.

"They're now saying the climate is changing, but that it's natural," he scoffed. "It's not as if global warming will only hit liberals. It's an equal-opportunity destroyer. And the hardest thing of all will be admitting that those insufferable environmentalists were right," Linden said.

http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20070313/NEWS/103130045

stephanie
03-14-2007, 02:04 PM
THE WORLD IS ENDINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.....



aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh h:poke:

GW in Ohio
03-14-2007, 02:27 PM
THE WORLD IS ENDINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.....



aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh h:poke:

Stephanie: Wouldn't you feel stupid if there was something to all this global warming folderol?

stephanie
03-14-2007, 02:41 PM
NOT AT ALL....

I know there is some global warming...
And we know most of it is natural...
What we don't know, is HOW MUCH IS BEING CAUSED BY MAN...Which is what their foisting on you...

But if you want to live your life in Perpetual fear of the world ending by these Environmentalist......That's your choice...:poke:

5stringJeff
03-14-2007, 02:47 PM
How much "massive relocation" could we possibly have over a one-foot rise in sea levels over the next 100 years? And oh, by the way, that's how much the seas rose the previous 100 years.

KitchenKitten99
03-14-2007, 02:47 PM
Stephanie: Wouldn't you feel stupid if there was something to all this global warming folderol?

Here is an experiment for you do see what a lie global warming is:
Take a typical cereal bowl or tupperware bowl and fill it 3/4 of the way with water. This represents the earth's oceans being 75% of the earth's surface. Using a piece of tape (masking tape works best) and use it to mark the level of water. Place 10 large ice cubes (represents % total amount of actual ice on earth) and put them in the glass, and leave them in there for a few hours, or long enough to let them melt into the water. Check the level of water again against what you marked. What is the difference?

I remember this experiment in science class in 7th grade. Even our science teacher said that even if all the actual solid ice would melt, the level of the ocean would rise very little, if at all. Last I heard, he had been bullied out of that school and into another job.

Dilloduck
03-14-2007, 03:26 PM
KEYSTONE — Global warming is the hottest story of our time, and it will get even bigger as the full implications of melting ice caps and rising sea levels percolate through the media pipeline and into general public awareness, a panel of journalists said last weekend during the American Bar Association's environmental law conference.

The discussion was focused on how the media has covered the story and whether or not public perception of global warming has changed in recent months and years. Among the questions the panelists tried to answer is why it has taken so long for the story to reach critical mass.

Most of the panelists credited Al Gore's documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," with helping to generate attention. The Democratic takeover in Congress has also advanced public debate, the panelists said. And even though the basic global warming science — heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere — is "third-grade" stuff, according the Wall Street Journal's John Fialka, the issues have been clouded by a massive, industry funded propaganda and disinformation campaign aimed at creating uncertainty.

But now the issue is taking center stage, and journalists must help explain the evolving story in terms that readers can understand, by showing them how the impacts will affect their lives, the panelists agreed.

Widespread impacts

"If the scientists are anywhere near right, we can expect massive dislocations," said Fialka, of the Wall Street Journal's Washington, D.C., bureau. As always, the biggest burden will fall on the poor when sea levels rise and disease vectors grow in developing countries, he said, adding that those impacts will subsequently require the charity of developed industrial countries.

The next section of an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, focusing on global warming impacts, is due to be released at a meeting in Belgium next month. A draft version of the report says that, within a few decades, hundreds of millions of people will face water shortages, while tens of millions will be flooded out of their homes. Tropical diseases like malaria will spread, pests like fire ants will thrive and by 2050, polar bears will mostly be found in zoos. By 2080, hundreds of millions of people could face starvation, according to the IPCC draft report.

"We live in a country where more people care about the death of Anna Nicole Smith than the death of a planet," said moderator Judy Muller, a long-time NPR contributor and associate professor at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School of Journalism.

Most of the panelists agreed that there has been a huge change in public perception of the global warming issue just in the past year. After explaining that the story has been reported for several decades, they tried to answer the question of why it has taken so long to catch hold.

The challenge at this point may be explaining the full import of global warming, said ABC News correspondent Bill Blakemore, who's been reporting on the issue for more than two years.

Blakemore, who has covered numerous wars over the years, said global warming is the most challenging story he's worked on.

"It's surreal to have pre-eminent scientists tell us very seriously that civilization as we know it is over," Blakemore said. "The scale is unprecedented. It touches every aspect of life."

Cost and consensus

For one thing, it's becoming clear that global warming is going to cost — big-time — across all sectors of the economy.

"All the major stakeholders are going to take a hit — unions, the energy industry, everybody," Fialka said.

"The public debate is lagging way behind scientific consensus, which is as strong as the consensus on the link between smoking and cancer," said author Eugene Linden, who penned a recent book on the issue called "The Winds of Change; Climate, Weather and the Destruction of Civilizations."

According to Linden and Blakemore, the global warming issue has been the subject of a massive, industry-sponsored disinformation and propaganda campaign aimed at creating the perception that there is still a scientific debate on the basic facts of global warming.

"We have been spun by Exxon and Peabody Coal," Blakemore said, comparing the situation to the long-running effort by tobacco companies to create uncertainty about the health risks of smoking.


Political context

"We had a chance to have a reasonable debate," Linden replied. "Instead we had denial. The Bush administration and a Republican Congress had years and years to frame a response to global warming that doesn't involve government regulation," Linden continued.

But that never happened because the Republican leadership never acknowledged that global warming exists, said panelist Margaret Kriz, who covers energy and the environment for the National Journal.

"The people who set the agenda didn't believe, so for all practical purposes, it didn't exist," Kriz said, singling committee chairs like James Inhofe, who loudly claimed that global warming was a hoax, using his leadership role on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee as his pulpit.

Linden said those denialists are now losing credibility by changing their tune.

"They're now saying the climate is changing, but that it's natural," he scoffed. "It's not as if global warming will only hit liberals. It's an equal-opportunity destroyer. And the hardest thing of all will be admitting that those insufferable environmentalists were right," Linden said.

Ask a scientist what the possiblitities are that a super-cauldron will blow and cause a global winter severe enough to kill nearly everything in less than 5 years. You want to freak people out wit environmental stuff , try that !

Hobbit
03-14-2007, 03:45 PM
Here is an experiment for you do see what a lie global warming is:
Take a typical cereal bowl or tupperware bowl and fill it 3/4 of the way with water. This represents the earth's oceans being 75% of the earth's surface. Using a piece of tape (masking tape works best) and use it to mark the level of water. Place 10 large ice cubes (represents % total amount of actual ice on earth) and put them in the glass, and leave them in there for a few hours, or long enough to let them melt into the water. Check the level of water again against what you marked. What is the difference?

I remember this experiment in science class in 7th grade. Even our science teacher said that even if all the actual solid ice would melt, the level of the ocean would rise very little, if at all. Last I heard, he had been bullied out of that school and into another job.

I had almost forgotten about this experiment. The melting of seaborne ice doesn't affect the sea level one bit, as the ice is already displacing its full weight in water. To be fair, though, much of the antarctic cap and any glaciers are located on land...

glockmail
03-14-2007, 04:50 PM
Stephanie: Wouldn't you feel stupid if there was something to all this global warming folderol?

1. This is all a big pile of crap to sell "carbon credits" and make Al Gore and his buddies rich. You fucking fools for beliving that asshole.
2. I've asked literally dozens of times, and very few have the balls to answer me, and I'll ask again, TO YOU GLOBAL WARMING BELIEVERS: "SO I CAN COUNT ON Y'ALL TO BE AVID SUPPORTERS OF NUCLEAR POWER, RIGHT?"

*crickets chirping*

5stringJeff
03-14-2007, 05:10 PM
I've asked literally dozens of times, and very few have the balls to answer me, and I'll ask again, TO YOU GLOBAL WARMING BELIEVERS: "SO I CAN COUNT ON Y'ALL TO BE AVID SUPPORTERS OF NUCLEAR POWER, RIGHT?"

*crickets chirping*

Great point... nuclear power is carbon-emission free! Good for the earth, good for me!

-Cp
03-14-2007, 05:41 PM
Thought you weren't supposed to post articles like this w/o a link?

Gaffer
03-14-2007, 05:43 PM
Great point... nuclear power is carbon-emission free! Good for the earth, good for me!

Until they run out of places to put the nuclear waste :poke:

Dilloduck
03-14-2007, 05:50 PM
Until they run out of places to put the nuclear waste :poke:

That does seem to be the big bugaboo !

5stringJeff
03-14-2007, 05:50 PM
Until they run out of places to put the nuclear waste :poke:

Yucca Mountain.

5stringJeff
03-14-2007, 05:51 PM
Thought you weren't supposed to post articles like this w/o a link?

Thanks for the catch... found and added it.

Dilloduck
03-14-2007, 05:57 PM
Yucca Mountain.

Over Harry Reids' dead body ! :lol:

glockmail
03-14-2007, 07:21 PM
Over Harry Reids' dead body ! :lol: And now for the big question: Why? Isn't Reid basically saying "fuck off and pound sand" to the planet?

KitchenKitten99
03-14-2007, 07:30 PM
Until they run out of places to put the nuclear waste :poke:

how long does it take to fill up say, 1600 sq ft (roughly the size of my house)...?

glockmail
03-14-2007, 07:32 PM
how long does it take to fill up say, 1600 sq ft (roughly the size of my house)...?Yucca Mountain has the potential to be much bigger than that.

Gaffer
03-14-2007, 08:40 PM
how long does it take to fill up say, 1600 sq ft (roughly the size of my house)...?

roughly two hours.

GW in Ohio
03-15-2007, 07:45 AM
1. This is all a big pile of crap to sell "carbon credits" and make Al Gore and his buddies rich. You fucking fools for beliving that asshole.
2. I've asked literally dozens of times, and very few have the balls to answer me, and I'll ask again, TO YOU GLOBAL WARMING BELIEVERS: "SO I CAN COUNT ON Y'ALL TO BE AVID SUPPORTERS OF NUCLEAR POWER, RIGHT?"

*crickets chirping*

1. If you really think Al Gore is trumpeting global warming in order to get rich, your credibility is zero.

2. Yes, I'm in total support of nuclear power.

glockmail
03-15-2007, 09:55 AM
1. If you really think Al Gore is trumpeting global warming in order to get rich, your credibility is zero.

....

Why?

KitchenKitten99
03-15-2007, 10:14 AM
roughly two hours.

you gotta be kidding me... only two hours?

Gaffer
03-15-2007, 10:24 AM
you gotta be kidding me... only two hours?

It takes longer to generate the waste then to bury it. And nuclear waste takes centuries to stop being radioactive at a dangerous level.