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-Cp
09-12-2008, 02:15 PM
According to many in the media, we truly have discovered someone worse than Hitler — and it's Sarah Palin.

Head to any left-wing blog or even CNN for that matter and you'll find the zaniest of conspiracies -- froth that even a dude with rabies would find unseemly.

So how can one person create so much bile among folks who claim to be the most tolerant in the universe? I mean, liberals are the good people: They're open-minded, caring and of course, fair.

But somehow, a Republican lady in her 40s is exempt from this treatment. Perhaps, she truly is the devil in a dress, a ghoul that eats children and pollutes the planet and possibly beats Barack Obama, the patron saint of every customer buying wheat germ in bulk at GNC.

But I know the real reason why every single elitist media type is terrified of her. They've never met her. And by "her," I don't mean Sarah Palin. I mean "her", an actual normal woman with a bunch of kids, an average husband and no desire to watch "The L Word."

She's scary to these folks the way Wal-Mart is scary to them: Both are alien to someone who blogs about their chakras. They won't go there, because they've never been there.

To them, hating Sarah Palin is a symptom of larger bigotry against the rest of us, the normal. If they saw her at a party, they would wonder how she got in. She's the anti-Obama, the anti-New York Times, the anti-everything that Tim Robbins loves, which is why I love her — and you should too.

And if you disagree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420161,00.html

:clap::clap::clap:

Abbey Marie
09-12-2008, 02:39 PM
What really has them scratching their condescending pointy little heads, is that she is all those things they don't understand (like conservative and from a small town), plus glamorous-looking and smart and (gasp!) unruffled by their attacks. I mean, how can that be?!

April15
09-12-2008, 04:48 PM
How could anyone hate Sara? She is so cute and has so much charm she could get a snake to eat out of her hand. I bet that makes the southern girls crazy. She was an excellent pick for a third bush run at the presidency, OH sorry its McCain run.

theHawk
09-12-2008, 05:51 PM
Palin terrifies liberals right down to their core, espeically the feminazis. She's an affront to the liberal version of "feminism" we've been seeing for the last 30 years. Feminists are supposed to reject the notion of being a wife and mom, no woman should have to stay at home and plop out five kids for a man, espeically a white man. Only women who reject that notion are able to be "successful" in life, measured by their education level, career, and how few kids they have (with abortion on demand to help with that). Then comes along Sarah. And much to the dismay of the feminazis, she represents a large group of women: suburban moms who not only have a career, but have a large family with it.

In addition to abortion and the feminist movement, she hits them hard on all the other liberal foundations: Wacko environmentalism, socialism, elitism, and anti-American/anti-military ideology. She lives in the frontier of Alaska and knows first hand a hell of alot more about its environment than idiots in California and New England that have never set foot up there yet have the audacity to dictate to them what they can and cannot do with their land. She's run businesses, and her belief in the Consitution and all of the freedoms if protects is a stark contrast to the communist/socialists that despise those rights and despise capitalism, not to mention her record of fighting corruption in government. She's a normal "hockey mom" that isn't from the Ivy league and isn't a millionaire from publishing books about her own celebrity. And her having a son in the military and being exteremly patriotic flies in the face of the anti-war rabid left.
Thats why liberals hate her.

April15
09-12-2008, 06:23 PM
Palin terrifies liberals right down to their core, espeically the feminazis. She's an affront to the liberal version of "feminism" we've been seeing for the last 30 years. Feminists are supposed to reject the notion of being a wife and mom, no woman should have to stay at home and plop out five kids for a man, espeically a white man. Only women who reject that notion are able to be "successful" in life, measured by their education level, career, and how few kids they have (with abortion on demand to help with that). Then comes along Sarah. And much to the dismay of the feminazis, she represents a large group of women: suburban moms who not only have a career, but have a large family with it.

In addition to abortion and the feminist movement, she hits them hard on all the other liberal foundations: Wacko environmentalism, socialism, elitism, and anti-American/anti-military ideology. She lives in the frontier of Alaska and knows first hand a hell of alot more about its environment than idiots in California and New England that have never set foot up there yet have the audacity to dictate to them what they can and cannot do with their land. She's run businesses, and her belief in the Consitution and all of the freedoms if protects is a stark contrast to the communist/socialists that despise those rights and despise capitalism, not to mention her record of fighting corruption in government. She's a normal "hockey mom" that isn't from the Ivy league and isn't a millionaire from publishing books about her own celebrity. And her having a son in the military and being exteremly patriotic flies in the face of the anti-war rabid left.
Thats why liberals hate her.

Perhaps you went a little overboard in the praise department. Your imagination of what a liberal is , is very vivid and exaggerated.

theHawk
09-12-2008, 06:24 PM
Perhaps you went a little overboard in the praise department. Your imagination of what a liberal is , is very vivid and exaggerated.

Feel free to set the record straight.

5stringJeff
09-12-2008, 06:26 PM
I think she's hot. I think she's the feminists' worst nightmare: a woman who made it on her own without the help of feminists.

I don't like her "let's get in a war with Russia over Georgia" stance. But I don't hate her.

April15
09-12-2008, 06:29 PM
Feel free to set the record straight.Liberal minded people have many differing ideas and degrees of liberalism. Joe Lieberman is a liberal who has very conservative ideas. As with all generalizations we sweep the many good people in with the fruitcakes.

theHawk
09-12-2008, 06:45 PM
I think she's hot. I think she's the feminists' worst nightmare: a woman who made it on her own without the help of feminists.

I don't like her "let's get in a war with Russia over Georgia" stance. But I don't hate her.

I don't think she said "let's get into a war with Russia". She was merely stating that we'd have to help and possibly defend a fellow NATO member nation. I guess Gibbs was too stupid to figure out that NATO membership would help DETER the Russians from doing what they did.

April15
09-12-2008, 07:40 PM
Right now many things are being said about Sarah Palin. Some may be true and most probably are not.
The real concern should be on the presidents policies not name calling.

Abbey Marie
09-12-2008, 07:48 PM
Right now many things are being said about Sarah Palin. Some may be true and most probably are not.
The real concern should be on the presidents policies not name calling.

I agree, to a point. Policies are important, but so are integrity and trustworthiness. For one thing, without them, you don't know if they will even follow those policies once elected.

CatalystOfChaos
09-12-2008, 08:41 PM
What does worry me is I don't know enough about her.

And she's possibly going to be the Vice President of a President who could very well die in office.

emmett
09-12-2008, 09:08 PM
Palin terrifies liberals right down to their core, espeically the feminazis. She's an affront to the liberal version of "feminism" we've been seeing for the last 30 years. Feminists are supposed to reject the notion of being a wife and mom, no woman should have to stay at home and plop out five kids for a man, espeically a white man. Only women who reject that notion are able to be "successful" in life, measured by their education level, career, and how few kids they have (with abortion on demand to help with that). Then comes along Sarah. And much to the dismay of the feminazis, she represents a large group of women: suburban moms who not only have a career, but have a large family with it.

In addition to abortion and the feminist movement, she hits them hard on all the other liberal foundations: Wacko environmentalism, socialism, elitism, and anti-American/anti-military ideology. She lives in the frontier of Alaska and knows first hand a hell of alot more about its environment than idiots in California and New England that have never set foot up there yet have the audacity to dictate to them what they can and cannot do with their land. She's run businesses, and her belief in the Consitution and all of the freedoms if protects is a stark contrast to the communist/socialists that despise those rights and despise capitalism, not to mention her record of fighting corruption in government. She's a normal "hockey mom" that isn't from the Ivy league and isn't a millionaire from publishing books about her own celebrity. And her having a son in the military and being exteremly patriotic flies in the face of the anti-war rabid left.
Thats why liberals hate her.

Not to mention that her husband seems to be pretty damn confident as well. No one is talking about the fact that he also represents a first! Our countries prospective second "dude" appears to be a pretty cool cat. He appears strong and confident, very supportive and I'm curious to learn a little more about him other than he had a DUI fifty years ago or whatever.

April15
09-12-2008, 09:28 PM
I agree, to a point. Policies are important, but so are integrity and trustworthiness. For one thing, without them, you don't know if they will even follow those policies once elected.Integrity and trustworthiness in Washington DC? We may have a problem.
I give to you a little bit on campaigns;
While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the man.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

"Now it's time to visit heaven."

So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. "I don't understand," stammers the senator "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look
miserable. What happened?"

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning...... Today you voted."

Joe Steel
09-13-2008, 06:00 AM
What really has them scratching their condescending pointy little heads, is that she is all those things they don't understand (like conservative and from a small town), plus glamorous-looking and smart and (gasp!) unruffled by their attacks. I mean, how can that be?!

Utter nonsense.

Palin is grossly unqualified for the Presidency and her candidacy is an insult to the idea of rational self-government by an informed electorate. That's what has progressives and most independents enraged.

PostmodernProphet
09-13-2008, 06:06 AM
What does worry me is I don't know enough about her.

And she's possibly going to be the Vice President of a President who could very well die in office.

it worries me less than it could, because I DO know a lot about Obama and Biden......it makes the choice easier....

jimnyc
09-13-2008, 06:06 AM
Palin is grossly unqualified for the Presidency

Interesting...

There were several threads comparing the experience of Palin to Obama. Funny I don't recall reading your extensive breakdown of Obama's experience.

Slice it any way you like, lie like you usually do, but you'll never change the FACT that Palin is MUCH more qualified than Obama.

Joe Steel
09-13-2008, 06:17 AM
Interesting...

There were several threads comparing the experience of Palin to Obama. Funny I don't recall reading your extensive breakdown of Obama's experience.

Slice it any way you like, lie like you usually do, but you'll never change the FACT that Palin is MUCH more qualified than Obama.

Obama was a community organizer. Palin was a part-time sportscaster and beauty contestant. You decide.

Obama, as a state senator, dealt with issues affecting Illinois, a densely populated state with problems which reflect those of the United States. Palin, as a mayor dealt with issues affecting Wasilla, Alaska, a small town with problems which don't reflect those of the United States. You decide.

Obama, as a US senator, deals with national and international issues. Palin, as governor of Alasaka, deals with state issues. You decide.

jimnyc
09-13-2008, 06:24 AM
Obama, as a state senator, dealt with issues affecting Illinois, a densely populated state with problems which reflect those of the United States.

By doing what, voting "present"? What did he do as Senator that you feel makes him qualified to be President?


Palin, as a mayor dealt with issues affecting Wasilla, Alaska, a small town with problems which don't reflect those of the United States. You decide.

So small town mayors throughout the country (thousands and thousands of them) don't deal with problems that reflect that of the USA? You try and ridicule her position of mayor while touting Obama's "community organizer" experience? LOL


Obama, as a US senator, deals with national and international issues.

What, specifically, did he deal with on national and international levels that you feel make him qualified for the presidency? Specifics and links would be nice.


Palin, as governor of Alasaka, deals with state issues. You decide.

And it's executive experience - and she's running for VICE President - and it's STILL more than Obama.

Joe Steel
09-13-2008, 06:51 AM
By doing what, voting "present"? What did he do as Senator that you feel makes him qualified to be President?]


Some of these bills may have been "bad. They may have included poison pills or been poorly written, making it impossible for Obama to support them. They may have even been unconstitutional. When I asked the Obama campaign about those votes, they explained that in some cases, the Senator was uncomfortable with only certain parts of the bill, while in other cases, the bills were attempts by Republicans simply to score points.

But even if that were the case, it doesn't explain his votes. The state legislator had an easy solution if the bills were unacceptable to him: he could have voted against them and explained his reasoning.

The Ever-'Present' Obama (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama.html)

We saw what happened when John Kerry explained his vote on Iraq funding so I don't blame Obama for voting "present." He's not stupid.

As for what he did, I can't say and wouldn't if I could because the specifics aren't all that necessary to the substance of the experience. Obama was a part of the process. The President is the administrator of a huge bureaucracy and understanding the bureaucratic process is more important than specific positions on specific issues.

Joe Steel
09-13-2008, 06:54 AM
So small town mayors throughout the country (thousands and thousands of them) don't deal with problems that reflect that of the USA? You try and ridicule her position of mayor while touting Obama's "community organizer" experience? LOL

Community organizers deal with far more weighty issues than part time sportscasters/beauty contestants.

Joe Steel
09-13-2008, 06:57 AM
What, specifically, did he deal with on national and international levels that you feel make him qualified for the presidency? Specifics and links would be nice.

And it's executive experience - and she's running for VICE President - and it's STILL more than Obama.

I respect Palin for being part of the process. I wouldn't give more weight to her experience than Obama's because the nature of two experiences are substantially different. Illinois and the United States are more like the United States than Wasilla and Alaska.

jimnyc
09-13-2008, 06:57 AM
As for what he did, I can't say and wouldn't if I could because the specifics aren't all that necessary to the substance of the experience.

Don't feel bad, Joe. I can't say what makes him qualified either. I've asked this question on quite a few boards and newspaper related sites, and not a single person was able to give me specific answers. Lots of rhetoric and fancy words, but nothing more.

You aren't alone, Joe.

jimnyc
09-13-2008, 07:02 AM
Community organizers deal with far more weighty issues than part time sportscasters/beauty contestants.

But I'll bet she didn't have the luxury of voting "present" when the heat made it's way into the kitchen.


I respect Palin for being part of the process. I wouldn't give more weight to her experience than Obama's because the nature of two experiences are substantially different. Illinois and the United States are more like the United States than Wasilla and Alaska.

But nothing will take away her executive experience and how it will help her in her role as VP. Nothing will give Obama the necessary experience to be President, unless running for the presidency itself counts as experience - because he has more experience at that than with dealing with actual issues.

Joe Steel
09-13-2008, 07:09 AM
But I'll bet she didn't have the luxury of voting "present" when the heat made it's way into the kitchen.

But nothing will take away her executive experience and how it will help her in her role as VP. Nothing will give Obama the necessary experience to be President, unless running for the presidency itself counts as experience - because he has more experience at that than with dealing with actual issues.

Not so. As a senator, he examined and debated the issues. He wasn't "The Decider" but he knows the issues. That's more important than merely making decisions. As we have seen since 20 January 2001, decisions can be made badly.

Yurt
09-13-2008, 08:19 AM
Not so. As a senator, he examined and debated the issues. He wasn't "The Decider" but he knows the issues. That's more important than merely making decisions. As we have seen since 20 January 2001, decisions can be made badly.

you mean like the poor decision to pick joey biden....who doesn't know why obama picked him and thinks hillary probably would have been a better choice :laugh2:

theHawk
09-13-2008, 10:39 AM
Obama was a community organizer. Palin was a part-time sportscaster and beauty contestant. You decide.

Obama, as a state senator, dealt with issues affecting Illinois, a densely populated state with problems which reflect those of the United States. Palin, as a mayor dealt with issues affecting Wasilla, Alaska, a small town with problems which don't reflect those of the United States. You decide.

Obama, as a US senator, deals with national and international issues. Palin, as governor of Alasaka, deals with state issues. You decide.

Funny how you left out his cocaine use. Doesn't that give him valuable experience for the "War on Drugs"?

Kathianne
09-13-2008, 12:42 PM
Funny how you left out his cocaine use. Doesn't that give him valuable experience for the "War on Drugs"?

He forgot also to mention that Obama failed as a community organizer. Both he and Obama make little of those 'community organizer' days preceded his attendance at Harvard Law, which upon completion he took a well paying corporate job. Think his being 'black' and a community organizer helped him get into Harvard? Think the recommendation of Thomas Ayers helped him into Harvard? Yeah, so much above the 'masses.' :rolleyes:

Then there is his Illinois Senate position, where 'present' represented his normal vote. Wouldn't want a record to follow him. Indeed the 'legislation' he 'sponsored' was written and pushed through by James Meeks, yes the same one who called a black, female Hillary supporter an Uncle Tom at the Democratic Convention. Meeks bragged that he was gonna make him a US Senator.

emmett
09-13-2008, 12:57 PM
We saw what happened when John Kerry explained his vote on Iraq funding so I don't blame Obama for voting "present." He's not stupid.

As for what he did, I can't say and wouldn't if I could because the specifics aren't all that necessary to the substance of the experience. Obama was a part of the process. The President is the administrator of a huge bureaucracy and understanding the bureaucratic process is more important than specific positions on specific issues.


So when it is announced by the Cheif of staff that the missle has just been fired at us by Russia and the president has seconds to act, Obama can raise his hand and declare himself "PRESENT".

manu1959
09-13-2008, 01:20 PM
Utter nonsense.

Palin is grossly unqualified for the Presidency and her candidacy is an insult to the idea of rational self-government by an informed electorate. That's what has progressives and most independents enraged.

Utter nonsense.

Obama is grossly unqualified for the Presidency and his candidacy is an insult to the idea of rational self-government by an informed electorate. That's what has conservatives and most independents concerned.

namvet
09-14-2008, 10:49 AM
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