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Kathianne
09-14-2008, 08:32 AM
Finally called an old-time Chicago politician, which he is:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4735295.ece


September 12, 2008
Barack Obama the speechmaker is being rumbled
There is a yawning gulf between what the Democratic candidate says and how he has acted. That's why the race is so close
Gerard Baker

It's funny how the harder you look at something, the harder it can be to understand it. I can't recall a US presidential election that has attracted more attention. But neither can there have been a time when the world has watched what goes on in America with the nonplussed, horrified incomprehension it has now.

Travelling in Britain this week, I've been asked repeatedly by close followers of US politics if it can really be true that Barack Obama might not win. Thoughtful people cannot get their head around the idea that Mr Obama, exciting new pilot of change, supported by Joseph Biden, experienced navigator of the swamplands of Washington politics, could possibly be defeated....

...But let me try to explain to my fellow non-Americans why Mr Obama's problems go well beyond that. Even if you think that Americans should want to turn their country into a European-style system, there is a perfectly good reason that you might have grave doubts about Mr Obama.

The essential problem coming to light is a profound disconnect between the Barack Obama of the candidate's speeches, and the Barack Obama who has actually been in politics for the past decade or so.

Speechmaker Obama has built his campaign on the promise of reform, the need to change the culture of American political life, to take on the special interests that undermine government's effectiveness and erode trust in the system itself,

Politician Obama rose through a Chicago machine that is notoriously the most corrupt in the country. As David Freddoso writes in a brilliantly cogent and measured book, The Case Against Barack Obama, the angel of deliverance from the old politics functioned like an old-time Democratic pol in Illinois. He refused repeatedly to side with those lonely voices that sought to challenge the old corrupt ways of the ruling party.

Speechmaker Obama talks about an era of bipartisanship, He speaks powerfully about the destructive politics of red and blue states.

Politician Obama has toed his party's line more reliably than almost any other Democrat in US politics. He has a near-perfect record of voting with his side. He has the most solidly left-wing voting history in the Senate. His one act of bipartisanship, a transparency bill co-sponsored with a Republican senator, was backed by everybody on both sides of the aisle. He has never challenged his party's line on any issue of substance.

Speechmaker Obama talks a lot about finding ways to move beyond the bloody battlegrounds of the “culture wars” in America; the urgent need to establish consensus on the emotive issue of abortion.

Politician Obama's support for abortion rights is the most extreme of any Democratic senator. In the Illinois legislature he refused to join Democrats and Republicans in supporting a Bill that would require doctors to provide medical care for babies who survived abortions. No one in the Senate - not the arch feminist Hillary Clinton nor the superliberal Edward Kennedy - opposed this same humane measure.

Here's the real problem with Mr Obama: the jarring gap between his promises of change and his status quo performance. There are just too many contradictions between the eloquent poetry of the man's stirring rhetoric and the dull, familiar prose of his political record.

It's been remarked that the biggest difference between Americans and Europeans is religion: ignorant Americans cling to faith; enlightened Europeans long ago embraced the liberating power of reason. Yet here's an odd thing about this election. Europeans are asking Americans to take a leap of faith, to break the chains of empiricism and embrace the possibility of the imagination.

The fact is that a vote for Mr Obama demands uncritical subservience to the irrational, anti-empirical proposition that the past holds no clues about the future, that promise is wholly detached from experience. The second-greatest story ever told, perhaps.

crin63
09-14-2008, 09:59 AM
That was the 1st reasonable article about Obaby I have seen. I think I will refer to him as, "speechmaker Obama" from now on.

Great find Kathianne. :clap:

Joe Steel
09-14-2008, 10:46 AM
Finally called an old-time Chicago politician, which he is:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4735295.ece


"The Times and its sister paper The Sunday Times are published by Times Newspapers Limited, a subsidiary of News International. News International is entirely owned by the News Corporation group, headed by Rupert Murdoch. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times)

stephanie
09-14-2008, 10:49 AM
"The Times and its sister paper The Sunday Times are published by Times Newspapers Limited, a subsidiary of News International. News International is entirely owned by the News Corporation group, headed by Rupert Murdoch. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times)


and your point..:lol:

Silver
09-14-2008, 11:10 AM
I guess his point must be that Timesonline has nothing to do with MSNBC, Obermann, or Matthews so we can trust it to be the TRUTH for a change....

emmett
09-14-2008, 11:13 AM
"The Times and its sister paper The Sunday Times are published by Times Newspapers Limited, a subsidiary of News International. News International is entirely owned by the News Corporation group, headed by Rupert Murdoch. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times)

Stephanie asks: And you point! in response to Joe's post.




The point is.......Joe would have us believe that because Murdoch owns NCG then it is obvious that the writer has bius against the respected Senator from Illonois. Imagine that!

Most media only dreams of standards like NCG has. Mr. Murdoch, with all his his bucks could have easily jumped on the same train with all the rest of the partygoers in the press throughout the world. It would have been easy. But it seems like in every venue in every business, all around the country and the world there always has to be these dissenters who rely on truth and prescribe to facts as a way of doing their business.

The "new" of Obama is wearing off. Anything new gets old! People are starting to see through this mediocre politician and soon I would suspect his ideas won't even be listened to much. Obama like bellbottoms, is a fad! He'll fade away like the smell of a chili fart!

crin63
09-14-2008, 11:21 AM
\Obama like bellbottoms, is a fad! He'll fade away like the smell of a chili fart!

At least chili farts started out with some substance. Cant say that about Obama.

Joe Steel
09-14-2008, 11:23 AM
and your point..:lol:

The article isn't credible.

Murdoch's companies have a long and indisputable record of bias toward Republicons.

emmett
09-14-2008, 11:25 AM
The article isn't credible.

Murdoch's companies have a long and indisputable record of bias toward Republicons.


And would you also agree that the rest of the media has a long and undisputed record of bius against them?

stephanie
09-14-2008, 11:26 AM
The article isn't credible.

Murdoch's companies have a long and indisputable record of bias toward Republicons.

now how did I know you were going to say that...

but according to you, every never heard of web-site is creditably enough to post your love articles on Sarah Palin..

got it...
:laugh2:

Joe Steel
09-14-2008, 12:02 PM
now how did I know you were going to say that...

but according to you, every never heard of web-site is creditably enough to post your love articles on Sarah Palin..

got it...
:laugh2:

You've got nothing but a distorted view of reality.

News Corporation's bias is well-known. You can't cover-up that truth.

You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

Joe Steel
09-14-2008, 12:07 PM
And would you also agree that the rest of the media has a long and undisputed record of bius against them?

Utter nonsense. ABC, AP, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post and most other major outlets all have demonstrated a clear bias in favor of Republicons. Your problem is the truth. The truth has a liberal bias.

emmett
09-14-2008, 12:16 PM
You've got nothing but a distorted view of reality.

News Corporation's bias is well-known. You can't cover-up that truth.

You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.


Now there is an original quote! Where did you ever think up something so clever as that?

The thought behind it is encompassing. Lets see.....you get out some lipstick, remove the cap and stroke it onto the lips of a pig.....ut-oh....pigs don't have lips!

Hey...I got .......here's a better one! You can put lipstick on a donkey ......but it's still an ASS!

emmett
09-14-2008, 12:20 PM
Utter nonsense. ABC, AP, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post and most other major outlets all have demonstrated a clear bias in favor of Republicons. Your problem is the truth. The truth has a liberal bias.


You know what...........you are right Joe! What was I thinking? Just watching the Charles Gibson / Sarah Palin interview alone should have clearly demonstrate4d for me that he is obviously biused toward Republicans.

Wow I really missed it huh? If that didn't do it for me I could have just looked at the fact that he traveled with Barack all over the world to give a fair and balanced view of that adventure.

By the way......since we are talking about bius on the part of the press, which of those organizations that you just mentioned presented the best coverage of the John Edwards lovechild?