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Kathianne
09-15-2008, 09:15 PM
I don't think so:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/is-new-york-in-play/


The last Siena poll had Obama only up by eight in August. Apparently, that margin has narrowed even further, a shocking result for a Northeastern state considered a lock for Democrats. The McCain campaign may start spending money in New York if the results get further confirmed by public polls due out today and later this week.

What happened? The Post credits the selection of Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate, but the snub of their Senator by Obama for the other position may have created a backlash among New Yorkers. The tax problems of Charlie Rangel may have contributed to the falling fortunes of Democrats, and the Post forgets that this is the first election since Eliot Spitzer’s resignation over his affairs with high-priced hookers. If the Republican brand suffered nationally, the Democratic brand isn’t doing well in New York now, and the reform rhetoric of Obama isn’t convincing voters there.

If Obama loses his grip on New York, he can’t possibly win the election. If he has to sink a large amount of money in New York, he’ll have to take it from his efforts in battleground states, and he’ll have to cut his face time in places like Michigan, Ohio, Colorado, and Minnesota. That’s a recipe for defeat, both financially and electorally.

Just a week ago, his campaign shrugged off the national polls by asserting that the state polls were what counted. As this shows, the national polls provide a pretty good barometer about what one can expect in the states. If New York becomes a toss-up, Obama can kiss his White House aspirations good-bye.

Update: The Siena poll of likely voters in New York shows just how bad Obama has fared. He lost 13 points off his lead since clinching the nomination, and now barely leads outside the margin of error — and can’t get to a majority:

Seven weeks until Election Day, the race for President has tightened in New York, with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) leading Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) 46-41 percent among likely voters, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll released today. Obama’s five point lead is down from eight points in August, 13 points in July and 18 points in June, when he led 51-33 percent. On a series of six questions concerning current issues in the campaign – economy, Iraq, terrorism, health care, America’s position in the world, and education – likely voters believe Obama will do a better job on four. Conversely, out of six attributes voters often look at in choosing a candidate – compassion, patriotism, experience, intelligence, integrity, and leadership – New York’s electorate gives the edge to McCain on four.


“Although New York has long been regarded as a ‘safe’ state for the Democrats in presidential politics, likely voters in the Empire State are currently only giving Senator Obama a five-point cushion,” said Steven Greenberg, spokesman for the Siena New York Poll. “The conventions are over. The running mates are set. And as voters begin to focus on the race, New York’s overwhelming Democratic enrollment advantage is not reflected in how voters tell Siena they plan to vote.”

McCain has made significant gains in New York largely on national security and personal attributes. He wins on terrorism, 54-33, and edges Obama in ensuring American strength, 47-41. McCain obliterates him on personal qualities, especially patriotism (59-21), experience (73-18), and perhaps most unsettling for Team O, integrity (43-38).

Update: Obama lost 13 points on an 18-point lead, not 18 points. My apologies for the confusion.

Kathianne
09-15-2008, 09:22 PM
Something to it?

http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/024398.php



September 15, 2008

STILL MORE on Charles Rangel's scandals. "While republicans are demanding Pelosi remove Rangel, the Democrats are caught between getting rid of a problem that could come up in debates versus not wanting to alienate black voters who may think removing Rangel would be overkill." With polls tightening in New York, that's a real problem, I guess.
posted at 09:28 PM by Glenn Reynolds

avatar4321
09-15-2008, 09:29 PM
I think Republicans should run against Democrats all over using Rangel as an example of ethics reform in the Democrat Congress.

As for NY, i hope McCain fights for it. Make Obama bleed money.

midcan5
09-15-2008, 09:53 PM
Why this need to speculate? Let's hope for America Obama wins. This is America's chance to elect a person who has the potential to be a great one. Should McCain win, America loses but after Bush jr that is what we get.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill


This is the Bush-McCain economy. Senator McCain may have forgotten, but President Bush already tried his economic policies and the results are not good. We have just been through a business cycle in which the wage of the typical worker and the typical working family fell. This is the first time that has ever happened."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/09-3

Kathianne
09-15-2008, 09:59 PM
Why this need to speculate? Let's hope for America Obama wins. This is America's chance to elect a person who has the potential to be a great one. Should McCain win, America loses but after Bush jr that is what we get.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill


This is the Bush-McCain economy. Senator McCain may have forgotten, but President Bush already tried his economic policies and the results are not good. We have just been through a business cycle in which the wage of the typical worker and the typical working family fell. This is the first time that has ever happened."


Sorry, my take on an Obama win would be that all the worst of Chicago/Illinois politics triumph. It would be a very sad day for USA.