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Kathianne
09-18-2008, 04:33 AM
Barack who wants another 'stimulus package'? How did that first one work out for you all?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/09/news/economy/obama_economy_changetour/index.htm

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-inflates.html

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10454825



Economy
Democrats drawing up stimulus package
Utah's Congressional delegation is mostly cool to the proposal
By Matt Canham
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 09/13/2008 02:32:40 AM MDT

WASHINGTON - Hoping to give the faltering economy a jolt, congressional Democrats are drafting a second stimulus package that would spend billions of dollars on road repairs and new unemployment benefits.

But most of their Republican counterparts - including President Bush - are lukewarm on the idea, though they are careful not to rule it out entirely.

There appears to be no split in Utah's five members of Congress. They don't want to see another economic stimulus bill.

"We should be careful not to allow election year politics dictate that unpaid projects get put in place," said Rep. Jim Matheson, the lone Democrat in Utah's delegation.

The new proposal, believed to be worth $50 billion to $75 billion, would not include tax rebate checks like the first stimulus package, approved by the president and Congress in February.

Under that $168 billion bill, workers and retirees received rebates worth $300 to $600. Those who have not yet claimed their rebate checks can still do so until Oct. 15.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said a new Democratic stimulus package could come up for debate as soon as next week.

Democrats are also discussing the possibility of including $25 billion in direct loans to troubled U.S. automakers in the bill.

Some Democrats, including presidential candidate Barack Obama, have called for a second wave of tax rebate checks....

Or McCain, who was right on 'The Surge' and was right on Fannie and Freddie. Difference was, his message of the Surge was heeded:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTBiMjNlZjQzNTM4OGIwMTE3YTU5MjM2ZGVhYzY4NWU=


McCain Did Anticipate Problems with Fannie and Freddie [Mark Hemingway]

ABC's Jake Tapper:


"Two years ago, I warned that the oversight of Fannie and Freddie was terrible, that we were facing a crisis because of it, or certainly serious problems," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told CBS this morning. "The influence that Fannie and Freddie had in the inside the Beltway, old boy network, which led to this kind of corruption is unacceptable and I warned about it a couple of years ago.”

How does this claim of foresight square with this interview that McCain gave to the Keene (NH) Sentinel, discussing the subprime mortgage crisis, in December 2007?

Tapper goes on to quote McCain saying of the broader subprime/liquidity crises that occurred at in the last few months of 2007, "So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not."

A couple points — in the quote above McCain is clearly referring to Fannie and Freddie explicitly. While they're arguably the lynchpin of the current financial crises, anticipating problems with Fannie and Freddie is hardly the same as foreseeing the overall extent subprime crises.

And if Tapper googled a little harder he would see that McCain's not making a "claim" — he really did anticpate the problems with GSEs and see them as a systemic financial problem. He even sponsored legislation to deal with it:


I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

McCain deserves credit for being on the right side of this. Meanwhile, Obama in just four years in the Senate raked more contributions from Fannie and Freddie than any other Senator in the last 19 years — save Dodd, who's pretty demonstrably in the pocket of Big Mortgage. McCain should pummel Obama with this. He's right on Fannie/Freddie where Obama has done nothing but take their money look the other way.

09/17 06:47 PM

diuretic
09-18-2008, 06:10 AM
Doesn't matter the US government is in a panicky nationalisation mode at the moment, it remains to be seen where that goes. The would-bes are sidelined.

April15
09-18-2008, 05:44 PM
Doesn't matter the US government is in a panicky nationalisation mode at the moment, it remains to be seen where that goes. The would-bes are sidelined.I think you went over her head with that response.

Silver
09-18-2008, 05:58 PM
Barack who wants another 'stimulus package'? How did that first one work out for you all?

Worked just fine for me...how about you?


http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/09/news/economy/obama_economy_changetour/index.htm

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-inflates.html

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10454825



Or McCain, who was right on 'The Surge' and was right on Fannie and Freddie. Difference was, his message of the Surge was heeded:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTBiMjNlZjQzNTM4OGIwMTE3YTU5MjM2ZGVhYzY4NWU=a

avatar4321
09-18-2008, 06:20 PM
Honestly, Bob Barr

Kathianne
09-18-2008, 06:26 PM
I think you went over her head with that response.

Hardly. I don't think it has a thing to do with nationalism, I tend to think highly of Diuretic and chose not to respond.

:coffee:

manu1959
09-18-2008, 09:48 PM
I think you went over her head with that response.


that is beacause it looked a lot like english ....but wasn't....

Yurt
09-18-2008, 10:08 PM
Hardly. I don't think it has a thing to do with nationalism, I tend to think highly of Diuretic and chose not to respond.

:coffee:

so you don't debate with people you think highly of?

Kathianne
09-18-2008, 10:10 PM
so you don't debate with people you think highly of?

Sometimes. Often those I think highly of, I choose to let have their say and let it be. Often those I think little of, I choose not to bother with.

There are times too, when I just like to fight, but not nearly as often as in the past.

Yurt
09-18-2008, 10:12 PM
Sometimes. Often those I think highly of, I choose to let have their say and let it be. Often those I think little of, I choose not to bother with.

There are times too, when I just like to fight, but not nearly as often as in the past.

so who do you debate with?

Kathianne
09-18-2008, 10:14 PM
so who do you debate with?

Those I choose? Why the inquiry? Seems it's easy enough to see.

Yurt
09-18-2008, 10:48 PM
Hardly. I don't think it has a thing to do with nationalism, I tend to think highly of Diuretic and chose not to respond.

:coffee:


Sometimes. Often those I think highly of, I choose to let have their say and let it be. Often those I think little of, I choose not to bother with.

There are times too, when I just like to fight, but not nearly as often as in the past.


Those I choose? Why the inquiry? Seems it's easy enough to see.

no it is not.

Kathianne
09-18-2008, 11:26 PM
no it is not.

Sorry, you'll just have to live with it. I'll respond to those I wish, when I wish. Then again, I'll not respond to those I choose not to respond to. Shouldn't read too much into any.

Yurt
09-19-2008, 12:48 AM
Sorry, you'll just have to live with it. I'll respond to those I wish, when I wish. Then again, I'll not respond to those I choose not to respond to. Shouldn't read too much into any.

fair enough. thanks.

Joe Steel
09-19-2008, 06:12 AM
Or McCain, who was right on 'The Surge' and was right on Fannie and Freddie. Difference was, his message of the Surge was heeded:

Utter nonsense.

The surge failed to deliver what was promised -- an enduring calm in a troubled land. The lower level in violence we see today resulted from a number of factors and the surge was only one of them; and a not particularly important one. McCain was wrong about the surge.

As for Fannie and Freddie, McCain would have to be even more confused than he apparently is to have missed the problems they have suffered in the era of obsessive deregulation. He receives no prize for seeing the obvious.

PostmodernProphet
09-19-2008, 06:28 AM
Doesn't matter the US government is in a panicky nationalisation mode at the moment, it remains to be seen where that goes. The would-bes are sidelined.

certainly went over my head....what do you mean by "nationalisation"....Freddy and Fanny?....they've always been quasi-public anyway....