Very Different Economic Times in Red vs. Blue States

[-Cp]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/very-different-economic-times-in-red-vs-blue-states/

[April15]

Considering that the red states get more money from the federal government than they pay in I would hope there is no slowdown in their paid for lives.

[-Cp]

Considering that the red states get more money from the federal government than they pay in I would hope there is no slowdown in their paid for lives.

Have a link to back up that claim?

[April15]

Have a link to back up that claim?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

Per Capita Tax Burden and Return on Federal Tax Dollar: Fiscal 20051

Per-Capita Adjusted2 Per-Capita
Federal Federal Federal Federal Federal Return on3
Spending Spending Spending Tax Burden Tax Burden Federal Tax
State or Region (in millions (in dollars) (in millions) (in millions) (in dollars) Dollar

New England
Connecticut 30,774 8,827 29,496 40,314 11,563 0.73
Maine 11,356 8,654 10,885 7,728 5,890 1.41
Massachusetts 55,830 8,684 53,512 63,003 9,800 0.85
New Hampshire 8,331 6,393 7,985 10,649 8,172 0.75
Rhode Island 8,423 7,896 8,073 7,969 7,470 1.01
Vermont 4,645 7,495 4,452 4,085 6,592 1.09
Total 119,359 8,395 114,403 133,749 9,407 0.86

Mid-Atlantic
Delaware 5,495 6,537 5,267 6,622 7,878 0.80
Maryland 66,720 11,972 63,950 49,178 8,824 1.30
New Jersey 58,617 6,771 56,183 86,112 9,947 0.65
New York 144,876 7,521 138,861 168,710 8,758 0.82
Pennsylvania 99,503 8,046 95,372 87,940 7,111 1.08
Total 375,211 8,034 359,633 398,562 8,534 0.90

Midwest
Illinois 80,778 6,351 77,424 99,776 7,844 0.78
Indiana 42,347 6,768 40,589 38,081 6,086 1.07
Iowa 20,345 6,884 19,500 17,830 6,033 1.09
Michigan 64,787 6,410 62,097 66,326 6,562 0.94
Minnesota 31,067 6,075 29,777 40,578 7,935 0.73
Ohio 77,881 6,796 74,648 70,304 6,135 1.06
Wisconsin 33,749 6,091 32,348 36,961 6,671 0.88
Total 350,954 6,481 336,383 369,856 6,830 0.91

South
Alabama 42,061 9,265 40,315 24,675 5,436 1.63
Arkansas 20,387 7,354 19,541 13,926 5,024 1.40
Florida 134,544 7,586 128,958 135,146 7,620 0.95
Georgia 59,846 6,571 57,361 55,952 6,143 1.03
Kentucky 34,653 8,308 33,214 22,003 5,275 1.51
Louisiana 39,628 8,815 37,983 20,563 4,574 1.85
Mississippi 26,181 9,027 25,094 12,434 4,287 2.02
North Carolina 59,162 6,817 56,706 52,547 6,054 1.08
Oklahoma 27,637 7,816 26,490 19,572 5,535 1.35
South Carolina 32,044 7,531 30,714 22,711 5,337 1.35
Tennessee 48,288 8,062 46,283 35,872 5,989 1.29
Texas 148,683 6,509 142,510 146,932 6,432 0.97
Virginia 95,097 12,583 91,149 60,185 7,963 1.51
West Virginia 16,087 8,909 15,419 8,815 4,882 1.75
Total 784,298 7,813 751,735 631,335 6,289 1.19

West
Alaska 9,230 13,788 8,847 4,830 7,215 1.83
Arizona 44,639 7,500 42,786 35,988 6,046 1.19
California 242,023 6,725 231,975 289,627 8,047 0.80
Colorado 31,173 6,670 29,879 35,880 7,677 0.83
Hawaii 12,699 10,018 12,172 8,519 6,721 1.43
Idaho 9,598 6,731 9,200 7,728 5,420 1.19
Kansas 20,492 7,474 19,641 17,434 6,359 1.13
Missouri 48,273 8,340 46,269 35,171 6,077 1.32
Montana 7,814 8,350 7,490 5,228 5,586 1.43
Nebraska 12,785 7,289 12,254 11,261 6,420 1.09
Nevada 14,089 5,849 13,504 20,135 8,359 0.67
New Mexico 20,604 10,752 19,749 9,891 5,162 2.00
North Dakota 6,608 10,391 6,334 3,829 6,021 1.65
Oregon 22,792 6,279 21,846 23,583 6,497 0.93
South Dakota 7,481 9,590 7,170 4,840 6,205 1.48
Utah 14,823 5,917 14,208 13,134 5,243 1.08
Washington 46,338 7,389 44,414 49,682 7,923 0.89
Wyoming 4,782 9,440 4,583 4,209 8,310 1.09
Total 576,243 7,216 552,318 580,971 7,276 0.95

Northeast 494,570 8,119 474,036 532,311 8,738 0.89
Midwest 350,954 6,481 336,383 369,856 6,830 0.91
Northeast and Midwest 845,524 7,348 810,419 902,167 7,840 0.90

South 784,298 7,813 751,735 631,335 6,289 1.19
West 576,243 7,216 552,318 580,971 7,276 0.95
South and West 1,360,541 7,548 1,304,054 1,212,306 6,726 1.08

U.S. Total4 2,206,065 7,470 2,114,473 2,114,473 7,160 1.00

NOTES: 1Federal expenditures by state do not include dollars that could not be distributed by state or that were unavailable. Such amounts include payments on the interest on the debt, international payments and foreign aid, current operational expenses not included under salaries or procurement, expenditures for selected agencies, and foreign outlays.
2Adjusted federal spending is used to account for federal spending not included in the Census data on federal expenditures by state and to account for budget deficits or surpluses. The adjustment makes spending equal taxes. The adjusted amounts are calculated by multiplying unadjusted federal spending by the ratio of the 50-state U.S. tax burden total to the 50-state federal spending total.
3Return on federal tax dollar is an imprecise measure of federal spending patterns. It is calculated by dividing adjusted federal spending by federal tax burden.
4U.S. totals do not include spending for the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, or the territories.
SOURCES: Northeast-Midwest Institute staff calculations based on U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, annual Consolidated Federal Funds Report, and The Tax Foundation, annual Special Report: Federal Tax Burdens and Expenditures by State.

Economic Data

08 January 2008
http://www.nemw.org/taxburd.htm

[Kathianne]

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html
If I'm looking at this correctly, the interpretation would be that the Blue states have the lions share of extreme wealth, while the Red states have a larger proportion of those with less.

It's a function of graduated taxes, along with higher costs to provide for sparser populations.

[April15]

If I'm looking at this correctly, the interpretation would be that the Blue states have the lions share of extreme wealth, while the Red states have a larger proportion of those with less.

It's a function of graduated taxes, along with higher costs to provide for sparser populations.The blue get less of their tax dollar back. The red get more than their worth.

[red states rule]

The blue get less of their tax dollar back. The red get more than their worth.

I thought you guys lived for redistribution of wealth to those who have less

Why are you bitching about it now?

[April15]

I thought you guys lived for redistribution of wealth to those who have less

Why are you bitching about it now?Sorry you thought I was bitching. I just wanted you to know who the real freeloaders are.

[red states rule]

Sorry you thought I was bitching. I just wanted you to know who the real freeloaders are.

Well if we are freeloaders, cut the damn taxes

Which is what I want to anyway

[Kathianne]

The blue get less of their tax dollar back. The red get more than their worth.

Explain that from what you linked.

[Psychoblues]

Just follow the link, Kat. It really is very obvious to anyone that isn't just obfuscating by demanding additional information. The sparseness of the populations has little to do with it as well but really that is another argument.

My state, for instance, Mississippi, very red, gets back $2.02 for every $1.00 sent to DC. I really don't find that surprising. These Delta farmers would scream bloody murder if their subsidies were cut one cent and their wives would scream even louder if they didn't get their new Cadillacs every 6 months. Our roads, water systems, sewer systems, etc.? Some of the worst in the nation!!!!!! Guess where all that federal money actually goes?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? Keep guessing, the rest of us that live down here are still trying to figure it out?!?!?!?!?!?!??

April did good on sharing that table with us and in order to understand it you just need to follow the links that she provided.

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[Yurt]

Sorry you thought I was bitching. I just wanted you to know who the real freeloaders are.


The blue get less of their tax dollar back. The red get more than their worth.

bullcowpie. bill clinton is to blame for all of this. before billy the playa i was wealthy. wealthy i tell ya. he ruined it all with his trickle down....pants economics.

[Kathianne]

Just follow the link, Kat. It really is very obvious to anyone that isn't just obfuscating by demanding additional information. The sparseness of the populations has little to do with it as well but really that is another argument.

My state, for instance, Mississippi, very red, gets back $2.02 for every $1.00 sent to DC. I really don't find that surprising. These Delta farmers would scream bloody murder if their subsidies were cut one cent and their wives would scream even louder if they didn't get their new Cadillacs every 6 months. Our roads, water systems, sewer systems, etc.? Some of the worst in the nation!!!!!! Guess where all that federal money actually goes?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? Keep guessing, the rest of us that live down here are still trying to figure it out?!?!?!?!?!?!??

April did good on sharing that table with us and in order to understand it you just need to follow the links that she provided.

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I'm still waiting for an explanation:


Blue states have the lions share of extreme wealth, while the Red states have a larger proportion of those with less.

[Psychoblues]

That is a million dollar question, Kat!!!!!!!!!!!



I'm still waiting for an explanation:

But I think this conversation is directed more towards tax burden v tax return from DC. There are indeed explanations for it and I'd like to hear them as well!!!!!!!!

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[Kathianne]

That is a million dollar question, Kat!!!!!!!!!!!




But I think this conversation is directed more towards tax burden v tax return from DC. There are indeed explanations for it and I'd like to hear them as well!!!!!!!!

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PB, I'm not the brightest bulb, but it's obvious even to me that the 'big states, ie the Blue states, have a monopoly on the billionaires and millionaires. Granted, there are inner cities in these states, which get the lion's share of any federal pie.

The red states on the other hand, are truly an amalgamation of wealthy, (albeit rarely 'super wealthy'); middle class; and poor. Some more poor in percentages than others, but most more poor than the 'blue states.' It explains the numbers. You know it and I know it, the original poster is not only most likely clueless, but unlikely to even understand this discussion.

[Yurt]

PB, I'm not the brightest bulb, but it's obvious even to me that the 'big states, ie the Blue states, have a monopoly on the billionaires and millionaires. Granted, there are inner cities in these states, which get the lion's share of any federal pie.

The red states on the other hand, are truly an amalgamation of wealthy, (albeit rarely 'super wealthy'); middle class; and poor. Some more poor in percentages than others, but most more poor than the 'blue states.' It explains the numbers. You know it and I know it, the original poster is not only most likely clueless, but unlikely to even understand this discussion.

true, but their point is, is that not spreading the wealth? looks like it to me.

[Psychoblues]

I would love to see data that verifies what you have said, Kat. I can speak intelligently about Arkansas (unreliably blue/red state), Mississippi (reliably Red State) and California (reliably Blue state).



PB, I'm not the brightest bulb, but it's obvious even to me that the 'big states, ie the Blue states, have a monopoly on the billionaires and millionaires. Granted, there are inner cities in these states, which get the lion's share of any federal pie.

The red states on the other hand, are truly an amalgamation of wealthy, (albeit rarely 'super wealthy'); middle class; and poor. Some more poor in percentages than others, but most more poor than the 'blue states.' It explains the numbers. You know it and I know it, the original poster is not only most likely clueless, but unlikely to even understand this discussion.

In each of these states I have seen poverty beyond astounding to a level I would have never expected. I don't have the numbers to back up what I say here, but I do know poverty, middle class and wealthy when I see it with my own 2 eyes!!!!!!!

You may not be the brightest bulb, Kat, but you have the most unusual color that I've ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Kathianne]

I would love to see data that verifies what you have said, Kat. I can speak intelligently about Arkansas (unreliably blue/red state), Mississippi (reliably Red State) and California (reliably Blue state).




In each of these states I have seen poverty beyond astounding to a level I would have never expected. I don't have the numbers to back up what I say here, but I do know poverty, middle class and wealthy when I see it with my own 2 eyes!!!!!!!

You may not be the brightest bulb, Kat, but you have the most unusual color that I've ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Which states are you referring to in this post, red or blue?

[AFbombloader]

You left Washington D.C. out of your list. According to your link it gets $5.55 for every dollar it puts in. By far that is the worst of all offenders, and it is a unabashedly blue area.

AF:salute:

[Psychoblues]

I mentioned that I would like to see data to support your claims, Kat.


Which states are you referring to in this post, red or blue?

I think that would include about all of them, don't you think?

I'm sorry if that remark I made about the reliably and unreliably red/blue states confused you?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

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[Kathianne]

I mentioned that I would like to see data to support your claims, Kat.



I think that would include about all of them, don't you think?

I'm sorry if that remark I made about the reliably and unreliably red/blue states confused you?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

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Yeah, the remarks are very difficult to follow, seems to be a two way street while I at least I know when I've gone off point.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/red_state_blue_state_rich_stat.html

[PostmodernProphet]

Sorry you thought I was bitching. I just wanted you to know who the real freeloaders are.
how do you know the people in the blues states paying taxes are blue?.......

[Psychoblues]

I mentioned only three states, Kat. One red, one blue and one rather a purple. I had hoped that you would get the similarities. I guess that you didn't.



Yeah, the remarks are very difficult to follow, seems to be a two way street while I at least I know when I've gone off point.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/red_state_blue_state_rich_stat.html

I don't think the remarks are at all difficult to follow but perhaps they are just too much for which you have any explanation?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I bet those kids you claim to teach just drive you freaking nuts!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Sitarro]

how do you know the people in the blues states paying taxes are blue?.......

Exactly Prophet,

How simplistic April's bullshit "study" is. The whole Blue State/Red State crap is just that........ bull crap. These idiots assume that if a state falls in the blue column, everyone in the state votes Dimwittedly........ how insane is that? The assumption that Wall Street is solid Democrats because New York is a Blue State, are we really suppose to believe that?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: Oh, and all those getting money from the Government that live in Red States are Republican........ this is something as childish as one of Barakyak's speeches.

More garbage from the illiterates on the left....... especially the shit that plops down from the ultimate condescending asswipe known as sycho.

[Psychoblues]

You get more ridiculous each time you post, zero.




Exactly Prophet,

How simplistic April's bullshit "study" is. The whole Blue State/Red State crap is just that........ bull crap. These idiots assume that if a state falls in the blue column, everyone in the state votes Dimwittedly........ how insane is that? The assumption that Wall Street is solid Democrats because New York is a Blue State, are we really suppose to believe that?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: Oh, and all those getting money from the Government that live in Red States are Republican........ this is something as childish as one of Barakyak's speeches.

More garbage from the illiterates on the left....... especially the shit that plops down from the ultimate condescending asswipe known as sycho.

Seriously, cowgirl, just how low can you go?

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[Sitarro]

You get more ridiculous each time you post, zero.





Seriously, cowgirl, just how low can you go?

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Standard dumb ass, meaningless response we have all learned to expect from you ace. Nothing knew here, it is obvious why you are a stooge of the Dims, you are their poster boy.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[red states rule]

Standard dumb ass, meaningless response we have all learned to expect from you ace. Nothing knew here, it is obvious why you are a stooge of the Dims, you are their poster boy.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Stooges?

PB, Bully, and MFM playing football


http://springcitychronicle.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/3-stooges-football.jpg

[Psychoblues]

So the red state, blue state, purple state thing continues to evade your enormous intelligence, zero?



Standard dumb ass, meaningless response we have all learned to expect from you ace. Nothing knew here, it is obvious why you are a stooge of the Dims, you are their poster boy.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Disappointing, to say the least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[red states rule]

So the red state, blue state, purple state thing continues to evade your enormous intelligence, zero?




Disappointing, to say the least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You libs are all for redistribution of wealth - what's wrong PB - you not happy how it is redistributed???

Join the club

Cut taxes and stop the redistribution then

[Psychoblues]

Your false argument noted.




You libs are all for redistribution of wealth - what's wrong PB - you not happy how it is redistributed???

Join the club

Cut taxes and stop the redistribution then

I would suggest you get a simple education, dumbo. If the current redistribution of wealth for the financial industry is not getting your attention then I would have to assume that nothing anyone could say that would somehow cause any reconsideration on your part. Get a grip, cowgirl.

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[red states rule]

Your false argument noted.





I would suggest you get a simple education, dumbo. If the current redistribution of wealth for the financial industry is not getting your attention then I would have to assume that nothing anyone could say that would somehow cause any reconsideration on your part. Get a grip, cowgirl.

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Both sides are to blame for the financial industry

In fact, Dems were running things for the 2 years - where did they attempt to reform the industry? They were to busy taking their money, holding hearings on Iraq, and running for reelection

I am ready to issue an Amber alert for Chuk Schumer. He has not been seen for awhile - and usually he is the first Dem to hold a press conference the moment anything happens

[Psychoblues]

Silly you!!!!!!!!!!!


Both sides are to blame for the financial industry

In fact, Dems were running things for the 2 years - where did they attempt to reform the industry? They were to busy taking their money, holding hearings on Iraq, and running for reelection

I am ready to issue an Amber alert for Chuk Schumer. He has not been seen for awhile - and usually he is the first Dem to hold a press conference the moment anything happens

Produce the documents or change your sillyass arguments, dumbo.

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[red states rule]

Silly you!!!!!!!!!!!



Produce the documents or change your sillyass arguments, dumbo.

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Now you are back to playing dumb

Which documents?

The money given to Dems from Fannie and Freddie? The lack and blocking of reforms? Video of the CEO at the swearing in of Obama telling Dems they are the family and conscience of Fannie?

[Classact]

That is a million dollar question, Kat!!!!!!!!!!!




But I think this conversation is directed more towards tax burden v tax return from DC. There are indeed explanations for it and I'd like to hear them as well!!!!!!!!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:Co nservatism is related to red states and liberalism is related to blue states... Democrats use tax dollars to recruit Democrats while Republicans use tax reduction/self sustain/American dream/national security as a recruiting method. Logic and reason would demand that Democrats would hand out gifts to the sectors that may be influenced by gifts from the government... poor blacks in the south love those gifts even though they are in red states... make more babies poo black folk and we'll turn that red to blue...

Democratic recruiting inside of blue states is the base of the debate in differences in tax redistribution... It is like Obama's promise, vote for me and I'll give you $1,000.00... Many inside the blue states don't need the thousand dollars but realize the alternative is voting Republican... But, if you are a lazy bastard with a poor work ethic you can earn $1,000.00 on the Unearned Tax and then another $1,000.00 in an exchange for your vote.... Work three or four weeks to qualify for the unearned tax credit and then go back to the welfare line, get the vote payment and sell drugs.

[red states rule]

Conservatism is related to red states and liberalism is related to blue states... Democrats use tax dollars to recruit Democrats while Republicans use tax reduction/self sustain/American dream/national security as a recruiting method. Logic and reason would demand that Democrats would hand out gifts to the sectors that may be influenced by gifts from the government... poor blacks in the south love those gifts even though they are in red states... make more babies poo black folk and we'll turn that red to blue...

Democratic recruiting inside of blue states is the base of the debate in differences in tax redistribution... It is like Obama's promise, vote for me and I'll give you $1,000.00... Many inside the blue states don't need the thousand dollars but realize the alternative is voting Republican... But, if you are a lazy bastard with a poor work ethic you can earn $1,000.00 on the Unearned Tax and then another $1,000.00 in an exchange for your vote.... Work three or four weeks to qualify for the unearned tax credit and then go back to the welfare line, get the vote payment and sell drugs.

I still want to know how Obama is going to cut taxes for 95% of taxpayers.

The facts are:

The top 1% pay 40% of federal income taxes

The top 25% pay 85%

Thanks to the Bush tax cuts, 40% of workers do not pay any federal income taxes

I suspect like Clinton, Obama promsies to cut taxes on the middle class - yet will raise them if given the chance

[April15]

how do you know the people in the blues states paying taxes are blue?.......As the Blue states are traditionally liberal one could make an assumption that the earning people are liberal. And since the majority of the new ideas come from California you just know them pot smoking engineers are rolling in dough!

[Classact]

I still want to know how Obama is going to cut taxes for 95% of taxpayers.

The facts are:

The top 1% pay 40% of federal income taxes

The top 25% pay 85%

Thanks to the Bush tax cuts, 40% of workers do not pay any federal income taxes

I suspect like Clinton, Obama promsies to cut taxes on the middle class - yet will raise them if given the chanceThat's easy, Obama calls SS/Medicare taxes so he will give out stimulus checks (he calls tax cuts) of $1,000.00 to anyone who paid any SS/Medicare.... kinda like the unearned income tax break... work a few days and wait for uncle sugar to send money... work a few days, unemployment, welfare and checks come rolling in if you vote the right way.