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stephanie
09-22-2008, 10:31 AM
Commentary by Kevin Hassett

Sept. 22 (Bloomberg) -- The financial crisis of the past year has provided a number of surprising twists and turns, and from Bear Stearns Cos. to American International Group Inc., ambiguity has been a big part of the story.

Why did Bear Stearns fail, and how does that relate to AIG? It all seems so complex.

But really, it isn't. Enough cards on this table have been turned over that the story is now clear. The economic history books will describe this episode in simple and understandable terms: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac exploded, and many bystanders were injured in the blast, some fatally.

Fannie and Freddie did this by becoming a key enabler of the mortgage crisis. They fueled Wall Street's efforts to securitize subprime loans by becoming the primary customer of all AAA-rated subprime-mortgage pools. In addition, they held an enormous portfolio of mortgages themselves.

In the times that Fannie and Freddie couldn't make the market, they became the market. Over the years, it added up to an enormous obligation. As of last June, Fannie alone owned or guaranteed more than $388 billion in high-risk mortgage investments. Their large presence created an environment within which even mortgage-backed securities assembled by others could find a ready home.

The problem was that the trillions of dollars in play were only low-risk investments if real estate prices continued to rise. Once they began to fall, the entire house of cards came down with them.

Turning Point

Take away Fannie and Freddie, or regulate them more wisely, and it's hard to imagine how these highly liquid markets would ever have emerged. This whole mess would never have happened.

It is easy to identify the historical turning point that marked the beginning of the end.

Back in 2005, Fannie and Freddie were, after years of dominating Washington, on the ropes. They were enmeshed in accounting scandals that led to turnover at the top. At one telling moment in late 2004, captured in an article by my American Enterprise Institute colleague Peter Wallison, the Securities and Exchange Comiission's chief accountant told disgraced Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines that Fannie's position on the relevant accounting issue was not even ``on the page'' of allowable interpretations.

Then legislative momentum emerged for an attempt to create a ``world-class regulator'' that would oversee the pair more like banks, imposing strict requirements on their ability to take excessive risks. Politicians who previously had associated themselves proudly with the two accounting miscreants were less eager to be associated with them. The time was ripe.

Greenspan's Warning

The clear gravity of the situation pushed the legislation forward. Some might say the current mess couldn't be foreseen, yet in 2005 Alan Greenspan told Congress how urgent it was for it to act in the clearest possible terms: If Fannie and Freddie ``continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,'' he said. ``We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.''

What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.

Different World

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

Mounds of Materials

Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing.

But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

Joe Steel
09-22-2008, 12:27 PM
Total nonsense.

The blame for this mess falls overwhelimingly on the Republicons.

The Democrats had a fix for it in 1994 but the Republicons ignored it when they took-over.

Bush's tax cuts gave the already rich so much more money they had to seek-out exoctic instruments to get the kind of return they wanted.

Bush urged lenders to make riskier loans so he could establish his "ownership" society.

Blame the Republicons.

PostmodernProphet
09-22-2008, 12:32 PM
The Democrats had a fix for it in 1994

please document....

Joe Steel
09-22-2008, 01:49 PM
please document....

Seven Deadly Sins of Deregulation -- and Three Necessary Reforms (http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=17960)

Nukeman
09-22-2008, 02:56 PM
Seven Deadly Sins of Deregulation -- and Three Necessary Reforms (http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=17960)

yet you ignor all of this, Joe admitt it ther are reposible people in both parties or in your world is it just the republicans



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Originally Posted by midcan5
Joe, an excellent piece and a topic that the left and the democrats have recognized and pushed for since FDR. It is amazing the accomplishments of good people. You're about to hear the same old nonsense from the conservative echo chamber on this board. Having negative rep is a sign of honor and honesty. keep up the good work.



"This is the Bush-McCain economy. Senator McCain may have forgotten, but President Bush already tried his economic policies and the results are not good. We have just been through a business cycle in which the wage of the typical worker and the typical working family fell. This is the first time that has ever happened."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/09-3

I would like to call attention to another post of YOURS



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Shattering the Glass-Steagall Act By William Kaufman

"If you're looking for a major cause of the current banking meltdown, you need seek no farther than the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.

The Glass-Steagall Act, passed in 1933, mandated the separation of commercial and investment banking in order to protect depositors from the hazards of risky investment and speculation. It worked fine for fifty years until the banking industry began lobbying for its repeal during the 1980s, the go-go years of Reaganesque market fundamentalism, an outlook embraced wholeheartedly by mainstream Democrats under the rubric "neoliberalism."

The main cheerleader for the repeal was Phil Gramm, the fulsome reactionary who, until he recently shoved his foot even farther into his mouth than usual, was McCain's chief economic advisor.

But wait . . . as usual, the Democrats were eager to pile on to this reversal of New Deal regulatory progressivism -- fully 38 of 45 Senate Democrats voted for the repeal (which passed 90-8), including some famous names commonly associated with "progressive" politics by the easily gulled: Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry, Reid, and Schumer. And, of course, there was the inevitable shout of "yea" from the ever-servile corporate factotum Joseph Biden, Barack Obama's idea of a tribune of "change"--if by change one means erasing any lingering obstacle to corporate domination of the polity.

This disgraceful bow to the banking industry, eagerly signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1999, bears a major share of responsibility for the current banking crisis. Here's the complete roll call of shame:"

True to form you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

So which is it midcan, is the dems, the repubs, or was it BOTH?????

You and joe are so quick to jump on anthing that points a finger to the repubs, yet you are willing to give the dems a pass

Nukeman
09-22-2008, 03:01 PM
Seven Deadly Sins of Deregulation -- and Three Necessary Reforms (http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=17960)
Joe do you even for 1 minute entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, the two parties are equally at fault?? Or are you honestly going to sit at your computer and blame EVERYTHING on the republicans?? If so you are much smaller than I ever gave you credit for.......

PostmodernProphet
09-22-2008, 04:50 PM
Seven Deadly Sins of Deregulation -- and Three Necessary Reforms (http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=17960)

there you reference the

"The Democratic Congress anticipated this problem in 1994, when it passed the Homeownership Opportunity and Equity Protection Act. This prescient law required the Federal Reserve to regulate the loan-origination standards of mortgage companies that were not otherwise government-regulated. But Alan Greenspan, a free-market zealot, never implemented the law. And when Republicans took over Congress in 1995, they never called him on the carpet.

however, here is the text of the Homeownership Opportunity and Equity Protection Act...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/1639.shtml

the relevant portion of the text is...


(l) Discretionary regulatory authority of Board
(1) Exemptions
The Board may, by regulation or order, exempt specific mortgage products or categories of mortgages from any or all of the prohibitions specified in subsections (c) through (i) of this section, if the Board finds that the exemption—
(A) is in the interest of the borrowing public; and
(B) will apply only to products that maintain and strengthen home ownership and equity protection.
(2) Prohibitions
The Board, by regulation or order, shall prohibit acts or practices in connection with—
(A) mortgage loans that the Board finds to be unfair, deceptive, or designed to evade the provisions of this section; and
(B) refinancing of mortgage loans that the Board finds to be associated with abusive lending practices, or that are otherwise not in the interest of the borrower.


the oversight referred to in the act is not oversight which would have prevented FM/FM from bundling mortgages for sale in the secondary market....it was oversight to provide certain consumer protections such as disclosures, prepayment penalties, etc.......

sorry....

Joe Steel
09-23-2008, 06:57 AM
there you reference the

however, here is the text of the Homeownership Opportunity and Equity Protection Act...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/1639.shtml

the relevant portion of the text is...



the oversight referred to in the act is not oversight which would have prevented FM/FM from bundling mortgages for sale in the secondary market....it was oversight to provide certain consumer protections such as disclosures, prepayment penalties, etc.......

sorry....

Save your sorry. You've misunderstood the issue.

Ultimately, the crisis was caused by defaults on loans. The 1994 law would have tightened loan standards which would have meant far fewer defaults. That would have eliminated the problem entirely.

Nukeman
09-23-2008, 09:06 AM
Save your sorry. You've misunderstood the issue.

Ultimately, the crisis was caused by defaults on loans. The 1994 law would have tightened loan standards which would have meant far fewer defaults. That would have eliminated the problem entirely.
But, but, wait Joe. than everyone doesn't have equal access to the American Dream. Aren't we all supposed to be equal to each other. I can't believe that your advocating only giving money to the people that DESERVE it. Are you feeling ill or did you get hit by a truck......?????

I can not believe what I read in the bolded part. You will wind up hurting minorites and the poor. You bastard, how can you be soo heartless?:poke:

You can't have it both ways Joe, either EVERYONE can get loans or no one should isn't that right!!! That is what you have been advocating!!!!!!

Has this been affecting YOUR income or your investments Joe is this why your looking out for yourself, kind of goes against YOUR liberal idealism doesn't it....??

Joe Steel
09-23-2008, 12:44 PM
But, but, wait Joe. than everyone doesn't have equal access to the American Dream. Aren't we all supposed to be equal to each other. I can't believe that your advocating only giving money to the people that DESERVE it. Are you feeling ill or did you get hit by a truck......?????

I can not believe what I read in the bolded part. You will wind up hurting minorites and the poor. You bastard, how can you be soo heartless?:poke:

You can't have it both ways Joe, either EVERYONE can get loans or no one should isn't that right!!! That is what you have been advocating!!!!!!

Has this been affecting YOUR income or your investments Joe is this why your looking out for yourself, kind of goes against YOUR liberal idealism doesn't it....??


You've over simplified the issue. Abusive lending practices were the target of the 1994 legislation. These might include "redlining" and deceptive advertising. The law could have addressed these issues without denying loans to worthy individuals.

Nukeman
09-23-2008, 01:37 PM
You've over simplified the issue. Abusive lending practices were the target of the 1994 legislation. These might include "redlining" and deceptive advertising. The law could have addressed these issues without denying loans to worthy individuals.

To quote Joe.


nonsense!!!!!!!!!!






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NO I have not over simplified the issue it is you who is "cherry picking" what YOU think is the issue. It all contributed towards this current melt down get over yourself and realize BOTH FUCKING PARTIES ARE TO BLAME!!!!