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-Cp
09-29-2008, 09:27 AM
Obsession with Palin's Foreign Policy Experience Ignores Total Lack at Top of Dem Ticket 16 Years Ago

By Tom Blumer
Created 2008-09-12 18:48

How interesting that ABC's Charles Gibson, as noted in this Associated Press dispatch [1], focused on Sarah Palin's foreign-policy bona fides when he interviewed her (a transcript is here [2]). Also note the biased AP evaluation (bolds are mine):

John McCain running mate Sarah Palin sought Thursday to defend her qualifications but struggled with foreign policy ..... acknowledging she's never met a foreign head of state.

..... She also said she had never met a head of state and added: "If you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you."
Indeed. Palin's contention gains more support if you look at the prior experience of at least a couple of presidents and vice-presidents during the past few decades:

• As Georgia's governor, Jimmy Carter had little, if any, foreign experience when he ran and won in 1976, though to be fair he had some military background.
• Dan Quayle was criticized for many reasons in 1988, but I don't recall the press harping on his relatively light foreign policy credentials. Maybe it was because there was already a great deal of it at the top of the ticket. (Wait a minute -- Isn't the McCain-Palin experience mix analogous? Hmm.)
• Spiro Agnew in 1968? There's no need to elaborate, and the same argument made with Quayle applies.

But for the moment, let's focus on the election of 1992.
As Bill Clinton was challenging GOP incumbent George Bush, media presidential readiness standards in foreign policy were quite different -- conveniently so, given the fact that the Democratic nominee was the clear lightweight.
Here's how the New York Times's Tom Friedman opened an October 4, 1992 analysis [3] of the foreign policy ideas promulgated by Arkansas governor Clinton (bold is mine):

Under the pressure of a Presidential campaign, Gov. Bill Clinton has been trying to outline his own unique foreign policy, while at the same time fending off criticism from the Bush White House that he is a closet dove masquerading as a hawk and that his experience in world affairs is limited to breakfast at the International House of Pancakes.

Ha ha. Friedman never attempted to refute the criticism of Clinton's lack of experience, because he couldn't. In fact, he reinforced points made by the Arkansas governor's critics (bold is mine):

As a man who has spent his entire career in state government in Arkansas, Mr. Clinton has no foreign policy record to run on or be judged against. Therefore, critics say, he has had the luxury of defining himself purely through a series of speeches. None of his ideas have had to meet the test of the real world.

..... His foreign policy travels as Governor consisted of three trade missions to Japan, Taiwan and other East Asian nations, two to Western Europe and one to the Soviet Union.

It is highly unlikely that Mr. Clinton met a foreign head of state during those generously-named "foreign policy" travels.

Friedman also never referred to Clinton's vice-presidential running mate, Al Gore, in an attempt to buck up Mr. Clinton's obvious inexperience. Vice-presidential credibility on foreign policy apparently wasn't that important 16 years ago, even with a known neophyte at the top of the ticket.

Friedman, in his mind, explained away the Democratic nominee's problem by:
• Citing how Clinton had "laid out his internationalist vision in four speeches over the last year." Do you think the critics would be impressed if Palin gave a few speeches?
• Noting his reliance on "elder statesmen" -- "Clinton has embraced so many advisers that ..... no single adviser stands out as first among equals." Has anyone questioned John McCain's foreign policy team?
• Incredibly, allowing Clinton to frame the domestic economy as a foreign policy issue -- not just one of many, but, in a preview of the eight years of convoluted logic we all had to endure, the single most important:

"In this new era our first foreign priority and our domestic priority are one and the same: reviving our economy," he said in a recent speech in Los Angeles. "This has been the Administration's most glaring foreign policy failure. An anemic, debt-laden economy undermines our diplomacy, makes it harder for us to secure favorable trade agreements and compromises our ability to finance essential military actions.

Clinton's criticism of the "anemic" and supposedly foreign policy-driving economy was made during a year in which economic growth was over 4% [4].
In his Palin interview, as Gibson went after her foreign policy experience, the Alaska governor struck back adroitly:

She said she brings expertise in making the country energy independent as a former chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

She acknowledged that national security encompasses more than energy but said: "I want you to not lose sight of the fact that energy is a foundation of national security."

Note to AP: That assertion is better than a "try." Palin's concrete tie-in of a specific economic policy issue to national security is much stronger than Clinton's squishy and falsely premised 1992 generality, and indicates a much firmer grip on reality.

Comparing John McCain's vice-presidential selection to the Dems' 1992 presidential nominee, the clear conclusion is: Advantage Palin -- even before we get into how Clinton left us vulnerable [5] to the 9/11 attacks.

-Cp
09-30-2008, 12:40 PM
Once again, the board libs can't comment..

actsnoblemartin
09-30-2008, 01:30 PM
thats right, clinton had little foreign policy experience back in 92, but partisan liberal hacks who couldnt get a real job, influence the 22 and under morons of my generation. Generation Retard

Psychoblues
09-30-2008, 03:05 PM
Have you ever been to Arkansas, marteen? You need to go there and observe.



thats right, clinton had little foreign policy experience back in 92, but partisan liberal hacks who couldnt get a real job, influence the 22 and under morons of my generation. Generation Retard

Not to mention that Clinton was a magna cum laude Oxford scholar, had visited many foreign countries, was formally educated in several of them, had met with world leaders many times and clearly demonstrated particular skill in quick and accurate studies of foreign policies and ramifications. I don't think there is a comparison here.

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avatar4321
09-30-2008, 05:29 PM
or now.

Missileman
09-30-2008, 06:50 PM
had met with world leaders many times
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I don't think you read the article...your statement isn't even remotely accurate.


His foreign policy travels as Governor consisted of three trade missions to Japan, Taiwan and other East Asian nations, two to Western Europe and one to the Soviet Union.

It is highly unlikely that Mr. Clinton met a foreign head of state during those generously-named "foreign policy" travels.

Psychoblues
09-30-2008, 08:15 PM
Yes, my statement is correct.



I don't think you read the article...your statement isn't even remotely accurate.

Are you dumb or simply dumber?

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Missileman
09-30-2008, 09:31 PM
Yes, my statement is correct.




Are you dumb or simply dumber?

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Produce the names of the world's leaders that Governor Clinton met with on his six TRADE missions.

Psychoblues
09-30-2008, 09:52 PM
That's an old trick on this board, mm.



Produce the names of the world's leaders that Governor Clinton met with on his six TRADE missions.

Your google works as good as mine. Prove me wrong or shut the fuck up about it!!!!!!!!!!! I got that out of the Republican Playbook of 1992.

Anyhoo, how about a refreshment? You sound like a White Whine sort to me!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yurt
09-30-2008, 09:57 PM
That's an old trick on this board, mm.




Your google works as good as mine. Prove me wrong or shut the fuck up about it!!!!!!!!!!! I got that out of the Republican Playbook of 1992.

Anyhoo, how about a refreshment? You sound like a White Whine sort to me!!!!!!!!!!!

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:lol:

psydeshow stumped

poor psydeshow

Psychoblues
09-30-2008, 10:13 PM
As usual, yuk.



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psydeshow stumped

poor psydeshow

You're pitiful. It looks like you would help your cause out just a little and do a little googling for the poor soul that is having such a problem with it.

Silly You, Silly Me, Silly We and silly shit that you never imagined!!!!!!!!!! Rock and Roll circa 1953

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Missileman
10-01-2008, 06:14 AM
That's an old trick on this board, mm.




Your google works as good as mine. Prove me wrong or shut the fuck up about it!!!!!!!!!!! I got that out of the Republican Playbook of 1992.

Anyhoo, how about a refreshment? You sound like a White Whine sort to me!!!!!!!!!!!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

You don't prove a negative...besides, you are the one who made the statement "he met with world leaders many times", you back it up or STFU.

stang56k
10-01-2008, 07:37 AM
My issue is not with the lack of foreign policy experience.. It is what she says in her defense...She sounds like a babbling idiot.

Yurt
10-01-2008, 09:40 AM
As usual, yuk.




You're pitiful. It looks like you would help your cause out just a little and do a little googling for the poor soul that is having such a problem with it.

Silly You, Silly Me, Silly We and silly shit that you never imagined!!!!!!!!!! Rock and Roll circa 1953

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

you made the claim...you back it up