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No1tovote4
11-02-2008, 11:38 PM
And as well funded...

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Whomever it was that kept this video until now, should be held underwater until they learn to breathe through their gills...

hjmick
11-02-2008, 11:42 PM
I'm armed and ready...

No1tovote4
11-02-2008, 11:48 PM
I can't understand how a Constitutional Law Professor could possibly think it is okay to arm the civilian cops with tanks and nuclear weapons to use against the populace.

This is sick Big Brother dangerous stuff. There is absolutely no possible way that anybody who loves freedom can think this is a good idea. Even if they believe that Obama would be a beneficent and kindhearted dictator with a soft touch they can't believe that giving that much power over our lives to the Executive is a good idea...

Seriously, this guy has it W-R-O-N-G...

And we are getting worked up over a birth certificate. Geez...

LiberalNation
11-02-2008, 11:53 PM
I wouldn't mind if these civilian defence was state controlled and couldn't be federlized. Seem like an idea to have a civilian capable of defending against our own military or somthing.

avatar4321
11-03-2008, 12:03 AM
I wouldn't mind if these civilian defence was state controlled and couldn't be federlized. Seem like an idea to have a civilian capable of defending against our own military or somthing.

Someone like Obama would never let the people have power to fight back against him.

hjmick
11-03-2008, 12:14 AM
I wouldn't mind if these civilian defence was state controlled and couldn't be federlized. Seem like an idea to have a civilian capable of defending against our own military or somthing.

Which is one of the reasons behind the Second Amendment.

Fear the government that fears your guns.

LiberalNation
11-03-2008, 12:16 AM
Except for the fact it doesn't mean anything. I rifle wont stop a fighter jet ect.

Yurt
11-03-2008, 01:00 AM
Except for the fact it doesn't mean anything. I rifle wont stop a fighter jet ect.

except for the fact....that obama said this force was to be as powerful, just as strong and just as well funded as the military

Psychoblues
11-03-2008, 02:42 AM
Stupid argument. Keep pissing down your legs, repubs. It will only make your socks wet.

:salute::beer::clap::laugh2::beer::salute:

Immanuel
11-03-2008, 08:13 AM
I'm armed and ready...


Someone like Obama would never let the people have power to fight back against him.

What you two don't understand is that you would never be allowed to be part of that force. Conservatives would be excluded from the force for the good of the country.

We'll arm the oppressed not those who have.

Immie

Gaffer
11-03-2008, 09:24 AM
It's what I have been saying for months. It's one of the scarier proposals he has come up with. I haven't been talking about brown shirts for nothing. These gangs won't be to augment the police. They will be to suppress the population. And their membership will come from the streets of the urban centers. Sorta like heavily armed somolian thugs running around in pickup trucks.

Yurt
11-03-2008, 12:03 PM
It's what I have been saying for months. It's one of the scarier proposals he has come up with. I haven't been talking about brown shirts for nothing. These gangs won't be to augment the police. They will be to suppress the population. And their membership will come from the streets of the urban centers. Sorta like heavily armed somolian thugs running around in pickup trucks.

since they are "civilian", i wonder if he plans to get around the "government actor" issue so the government cannot be sued for violating constitutional rigths, he will merely blame the individual...i think he will lose though, this is a traditional government function etc...

avatar4321
11-03-2008, 12:58 PM
since they are "civilian", i wonder if he plans to get around the "government actor" issue so the government cannot be sued for violating constitutional rigths, he will merely blame the individual...i think he will lose though, this is a traditional government function etc...

hadn't thought about that aspect. But if the government is funding it. then yeah should be enough ties.

Abbey Marie
11-03-2008, 01:01 PM
Pardon the question, but how would this differ from the National Guard?

LiberalNation
11-03-2008, 01:51 PM
It wouldn't be federalized and sent over seas to fight foriegn wars.

Yurt
11-03-2008, 02:00 PM
hadn't thought about that aspect. But if the government is funding it. then yeah should be enough ties.

i would think so, unless he can stack the supreme court, most federal courts i know are already stacked with liberal leaning/activist judges

also, i wondered about his repeated call to slash the military budget and yet at the same time call for a civilian force to equal the military in both power and money.

Yurt
11-03-2008, 02:01 PM
It wouldn't be federalized and sent over seas to fight foriegn wars.

do you still agree with your assessment:


YOU:Except for the fact it doesn't mean anything. I rifle wont stop a fighter jet ect.



ME:except for the fact....that obama said this force was to be as powerful, just as strong and just as well funded as the military

Immanuel
11-03-2008, 02:01 PM
It wouldn't be federalized and sent over seas to fight foriegn wars.

No, but them damned pesky conservatives had better not come out of their caves... right?

If you are right, then of what use would this civilian security force be besides eliminating the rights of Americans who do not agree with this adminstration?

Immie

Gaffer
11-03-2008, 03:25 PM
since they are "civilian", i wonder if he plans to get around the "government actor" issue so the government cannot be sued for violating constitutional rigths, he will merely blame the individual...i think he will lose though, this is a traditional government function etc...

He's not going to be concerned with rights or lawsuits. Give him a couple of years and he will get rid of the Constitution.

It will be interesting to see what he names his goon squads.

crin63
11-03-2008, 04:07 PM
it will be interesting to see what he names his goon squads.

nation of islam!

Gaffer
11-03-2008, 04:26 PM
nation of islam!

They will make up a good portion of it.

LiberalNation
11-03-2008, 04:37 PM
If you are right, then of what use would this civilian security force be besides eliminating the rights of Americans who do not agree with this adminstration?

Immie

I think you are paraniod. He'd never get congress to fund such a massive program anyway and if he did it would be like a town watch or non-deployable national gaurd used in domestic emergencies. Not to go after fellow citizens.

Sitarro
11-03-2008, 04:57 PM
I think you are paraniod. He'd never get congress to fund such a massive program anyway and if he did it would be like a town watch or non-deployable national gaurd used in domestic emergencies. Not to go after fellow citizens.

You would have made a great German citizen in the thirties, just one problem, as an admitted lesbian, your lifeless stretched skin would have been made into a lampshade for Hitler's desk.

LiberalNation
11-03-2008, 05:03 PM
the situation isn't camparible. Libs said the same thing about Bush when he was elected the second time.

Partisans are always so paraniod of the other side.

5stringJeff
11-03-2008, 06:02 PM
There's already an armed civilian force. It's made up of private citiznes who have their own arms. And it's NOT for the use of ANY governmental agency - it's to protect ourselves AGAINST the government!!! :mad:

Immanuel
11-03-2008, 06:36 PM
I think you are paraniod. He'd never get congress to fund such a massive program anyway and if he did it would be like a town watch or non-deployable national gaurd used in domestic emergencies. Not to go after fellow citizens.

Sorry, the National Guard already is responsible for domestic emergencies. There would be no reason for a Citizen Security Force if you were right.

I think you are still young and naive to believe that this will not be an attempt to silence naysayers. Barack Obama has already proven that he is not above using his powers to silence anyone who speaks poorly of him and it appears he will have Congress to back him up for at least two years.

Speaking out against President Obama could possibly cost us our freedom if not our lives in the future. You have proven yourself to be reasonable, unlike some of the Obama worshipers on site. I am confident that should this begin to happen, you would be one who would not remain silent.

Immie

Gaffer
11-03-2008, 06:53 PM
The only reason for such a citizen force would be to silence descent. There would be no other reason to form such an organization. High crime rates and disorder would be named as the reason for such actions and the media will report it that way. Also, watch for the crime rate to increase over the year which will be the catalyst for establishing this organization. He'll promise to clean up the streets.

hjmick
11-03-2008, 06:59 PM
Except for the fact it doesn't mean anything. I rifle wont stop a fighter jet ect.

Oh I don't know, with a little luck, the right caliber, and good marksmanship, you might be surprised.

Yurt
11-03-2008, 08:17 PM
I think you are paraniod. He'd never get congress to fund such a massive program anyway and if he did it would be like a town watch or non-deployable national gaurd used in domestic emergencies. Not to go after fellow citizens.

so he is lying about this?

if the congress is mostly dem, they will follow dear leader

Mr. P
11-03-2008, 09:04 PM
Oh I don't know, with a little luck, the right caliber, and good marksmanship, you might be surprised.

I could put someone out of action with a single shot .22 at 50 yards or more. I'm sure there are thousands in this country just like me...good marksman.

Kathianne
11-03-2008, 09:18 PM
I could put someone out of action with a single shot .22 at 50 yards or more. I'm sure there are thousands in this country just like me...good marksman.

Um, if my brother is busy will you come and deal with the uprising? I'll cook.

manu1959
11-03-2008, 10:16 PM
Stupid argument. Keep pissing down your legs, repubs. It will only make your socks wet.

:salute::beer::clap::laugh2::beer::salute:

when the soviets flipped a country such as cuba who were the first people shot.....

namvet
11-03-2008, 10:17 PM
He's talking about a Gestapo

manu1959
11-03-2008, 10:18 PM
He's talking about a Gestapo

think their shirts will be black or brown......

Gaffer
11-03-2008, 10:20 PM
think their shirts will be black or brown......

camouflage. That's the hip thing now days.

namvet
11-03-2008, 10:24 PM
camouflage. That's the hip thing now days.

with gun sales going thru the roof camouflage is appropriate

manu1959
11-03-2008, 10:25 PM
with gun sales going thru the roof camouflage is appropriate

yep everyone is buying before he bans them.....

namvet
11-03-2008, 10:27 PM
yep everyone is buying before he bans them.....

exactly what the commies did. for starts.

hjmick
11-03-2008, 10:27 PM
yep everyone is buying before he bans them.....

I've got my eye on at least one more before January 20th. Two if the Mrs give the okay.

namvet
11-03-2008, 10:29 PM
I've got my eye on at least one more before January 20th. Two if the Mrs give the okay.

screw the mrs (pun) she'll thank you later.

hjmick
11-03-2008, 10:31 PM
screw the mrs (pun) she'll thank you later.

LOL... Maybe if I give her the 12 gauge she'll okay the 30-30...

namvet
11-03-2008, 10:33 PM
LOL... Maybe if I give her the 12 gauge she'll okay the 30-30...

that's what i have. 30-30. I bought in Nam.

hjmick
11-03-2008, 10:41 PM
that's what i have. 30-30. I bought in Nam.

I'm looking at the new Mossberg lever action. I like the old west styling.

namvet
11-04-2008, 09:15 AM
I'm looking at the new Mossberg lever action. I like the old west styling.

but now the targets are sub humans. can you do it???? can you kill ???? I can. I was trained to. myself I'd go for a 50 cal sniper rifle. and take out the party leadership. no leaders no command. I still have a photo of what's left of a terrorist after being split wide open by a Barrett M107. I posted it on another board and was banned. pussy admin couldn't stand to look at it.


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crin63
11-04-2008, 09:27 AM
think their shirts will be black or brown......

This is what I expect to see. http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51490282.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE4B1E3F1234698BB0 A40A659CEC4C8CB6

namvet
11-04-2008, 09:30 AM
This is what I expect to see. http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51490282.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE4B1E3F1234698BB0 A40A659CEC4C8CB6

all I see is the box with a red X.

crin63
11-04-2008, 09:36 AM
all I see is the box with a red X.

I see it but heres a link.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51490282.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DViewImages%26k%3D2%26d% 3D17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE4B1E3F1234698BB0 A40A659CEC4C8CB6&imgrefurl=http://www.jamd.com/image/g/51490282&h=397&w=594&sz=24&hl=en&start=34&um=1&usg=__JMx2UwgPf8MYKSWmYcb2TBTuBoc=&tbnid=Wx--dsFc8jXXEM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNation%2Bof%2BIslam%2Bguards%26start% 3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfir efox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Gaffer
11-04-2008, 09:50 AM
I see it but heres a link.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51490282.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DViewImages%26k%3D2%26d% 3D17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE4B1E3F1234698BB0 A40A659CEC4C8CB6&imgrefurl=http://www.jamd.com/image/g/51490282&h=397&w=594&sz=24&hl=en&start=34&um=1&usg=__JMx2UwgPf8MYKSWmYcb2TBTuBoc=&tbnid=Wx--dsFc8jXXEM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNation%2Bof%2BIslam%2Bguards%26start% 3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfir efox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Yep pretty much what I'm expecting too.

namvet
11-04-2008, 09:50 AM
I see it but heres a link.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51490282.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DViewImages%26k%3D2%26d% 3D17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE4B1E3F1234698BB0 A40A659CEC4C8CB6&imgrefurl=http://www.jamd.com/image/g/51490282&h=397&w=594&sz=24&hl=en&start=34&um=1&usg=__JMx2UwgPf8MYKSWmYcb2TBTuBoc=&tbnid=Wx--dsFc8jXXEM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNation%2Bof%2BIslam%2Bguards%26start% 3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfir efox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

got it. talk about a soft target. but he ain't worth the price of a bullet

hjmick
11-04-2008, 10:33 AM
but now the targets are sub humans. can you do it???? can you kill ???? I can. I was trained to. myself I'd go for a 50 cal sniper rifle. and take out the party leadership. no leaders no command. I still have a photo of what's left of a terrorist after being split wide open by a Barrett M107. I posted it on another board and was banned. pussy admin couldn't stand to look at it.

If there is a threat to me or my family, without hesitation.

namvet
11-04-2008, 10:46 AM
If there is a threat to me or my family, without hesitation.

good for you. Osama says the constitution is outdated. you can bet your last bullet he'll try and eliminate the The Second Amendment. with dire consequences

Immanuel
11-04-2008, 11:13 AM
good for you. Osama says the constitution is outdated. you can bet your last bullet he'll try and eliminate the The Second Amendment. with dire consequences

He would need a Constitutional Amendment to repeal it. That would take years that he does not have to accomplish and with the opposition he would face, it probably will never happen.

That doesn't mean he won't try to skirt it or fill the Supreme Court with judges that won't relegislate it, but he will not be able to "eliminate" the Second Amendment... at least I pray to God he won't.

Immie

namvet
11-04-2008, 11:20 AM
He would need a Constitutional Amendment to repeal it. That would take years that he does not have to accomplish and with the opposition he would face, it probably will never happen.

That doesn't mean he won't try to skirt it or fill the Supreme Court with judges that won't relegislate it, but he will not be able to "eliminate" the Second Amendment... at least I pray to God he won't.

Immie

same here. but with a D congress and senate its now a runaway freight train. the brakes are are off.