How Democrats Planned To Undermine Bush In 2003

[stephanie]

I've always said the only way the Democrats can win, is to lie, and destroy people..And don't forget......OUR OWN MEDIA is involved in this...

March 21st, 2007
From Capitol Hill Blue via the Internet Wayback Machine:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040613035649/www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=13&num=1476


Dems plan to undermine America to beat Bush
By DOUG THOMPSON
Jan 6, 2003, 19:21

Democrats plan to undermine public confidence in President George W. Bush by challenging his credibility and raising doubts about America, sources within the party tell Capitol Hill Blue.

A multi-pronged attack against Republicans and the President will focus not only on economic issues, but question American values, raise doubts about how this country is viewed by other nations and question the patriotism of Bush and his party.

The extensive campaign, developed by senior Democratic consultants and party leaders, was launched last week with attacks on the Bush economic plan by Democratic presidential hopeful Rep. Richard Gephardt.

In coming weeks, Democratic elected officials will question the President’s intentions on the pending war with Iraq. Writers and broadcasters friendly to the Democratic cause have already been provided talking points suggesting the war is about oil, not terrorism.

“The talking points were developed before the end of last year and sent out to operatives and friendly media,” one Democratic consultant confided. “No Democratic member of Congress will question the President’s patriotism openly but we will use the media and other surrogates to raise doubts.”

Capitol Hill Blue obtained a copy of the talking points when the Democratic National Committee sent them to a news outlet recently acquired by Chris parent company. The talking points outline a strategy to raise public doubts of the President’s real intentions, including:

– Saying the war is about oil and will be fought to benefit oil companies that have long supported Bush and the Republican party;

– Claiming the Bush administration has “manufactured” evidence against Saddam Hussein and used that evidence to encourage Britain and other allies to join the American fight against Iraq;

– Suggesting a wartime economy is the only way the administration can revive the country’s lagging economic situation.

“It is clear that the current approval ratings of the administration are tied directly to strong American feelings toward traditional values,” the talking points say. “To counter this, doubt must be raised as to America’s true position within the world community and the true intent of the Bush administration in waging war.”
Some Democrats admit privately they are uneasy with the party strategy to undermine American values in an attempt to get Bush.

“My boss doesn’t want anything to do with it,” one senior Senate aide told Capitol Hill Blue on Monday. “You don’t undermine this country to win elections.”

Others, however, are willing to try anything to put the White House and Congress back under Democratic control.

“The real war isn’t in Iraq,” one Democratic consultant said. “It’s right here at home, at the ballot box in 2004.”

Among the other points Democrats hope to make in the coming weeks:

– Both President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are controlled by oil and defense industry special interest groups.

– The war on terrorism is a failure because Osama bin Laden is still at large.

– America is unprepared for another terrorist attack because of White House preoccupation with Iraq.

– War will increase the country’s economic woes.

– Bush will be forced to raise taxes to finance the war.

“It’s time to take the battle to the people and make them understand just how dangerous George W. Bush’s policies are to the future of America,” the talking points conclude.

Democratic sources say the talking points were developed by Democratic Chairman Terry McAuliffe, former Clinton campaign strategist James Carville, Senate Majority Leader Daschle and former House Democratic Leader Gephardt.

“This is a classic, Jim Carville, scorched earth campaign,” crows one DNC staffer. “Take no prisoners. That’s how you win elections.”

Democratic party spokesmen would not return phone calls seeking comment on this report.

Long time Internet denizens will perhaps recognize the name Doug Thomson and remember his site, Capitol Hill Blue. (Which has recently been resurrected as a typical lunatic left blog.)

Mr. Thompson is a crazy old crank political gadfly who claims to be an old newspaper man. However his and CBH’s credibility fell under suspicion when a source he featured prominently turned out not to exist.

Still, there is no denying that Mr. Thompson had hold of something back in January 2003.

Events have proved him weirdly prescient at least.

(Thanks to Piasa for the heads up.)

http://sweetness-light.com/

[5stringJeff]

Great find!

[Gaffer]

They are still using the battle plan. And as they said. the war is not in iraq, its here and being waged by the democraps.

[stephanie]

We've known this all along, gaffer..

The Democrats don't even mind bringing their own country down to regain their power back...

How sick is that...


It is clear that the current approval ratings of the administration are tied directly to strong American feelings toward traditional values,” the talking points say. “To counter this, doubt must be raised as to America’s true position within the world community and the true intent of the Bush administration in waging war.”
Some Democrats admit privately they are uneasy with the party strategy to undermine American values in an attempt to get Bush.

“My boss doesn’t want anything to do with it,” one senior Senate aide told Capitol Hill Blue on Monday. “You don’t undermine this country to win elections.”

A Democrat must not be elected to become our President...
They make me sick..:pee:

[Gaffer]

We've known this all along, gaffer..

The Democrats don't even mind bringing their own country down to regain their power back...

How sick is that...



A Democrat must not be elected to become our President...
They make me sick..:pee:

Yep I agree, there is nothing beneath them. Anything for power.

[Birdzeye]

Wow! Politics as usual, huh? Whoudda thunkit?

Good thing the GOPers never stoop to such levels. :laugh2:

[loosecannon]

Wow! Politics as usual, huh? Whoudda thunkit?

Good thing the GOPers never stoop to such levels. :laugh2:

actually the GOP breaks new ground in undermining the nation with dirty politics every election cycle.

Swiftboaters, whispercampaigns, harpooning their own party members. They know no shame.

I think that the dems felt forced to pursue the same tactics.

Thanks to Mark Foley it really wasn't neccesary.:cool:

[Dilloduck]

actually the GOP breaks new ground in undermining the nation with dirty politics every election cycle.

Swiftboaters, whispercampaigns, harpooning their own party members. They know no shame.

I think that the dems felt forced to pursue the same tactics.

Thanks to Mark Foley it really wasn't neccesary.:cool:

Right--the GOP made the dems do it !

Do you have any fricking idea of how idiotic and childish that thinking is?

[loosecannon]

Right--the GOP made the dems do it !

Do you have any fricking idea of how idiotic and childish that thinking is?


well it was your thinking.

The GOP keeps raising the level of vitriol and smear.

The Dems have always held themselves to a higher standard cuz they are nicer, more PC, not as war mongrelled at heart.

[5stringJeff]

well it was your thinking.

The GOP keeps raising the level of vitriol and smear.

The Dems have always held themselves to a higher standard cuz they are nicer, more PC, not as war mongrelled at heart.

You forgot the tags.

[Gaffer]

well it was your thinking.

The GOP keeps raising the level of vitriol and smear.

The Dems have always held themselves to a higher standard cuz they are nicer, more PC, not as war mongrelled at heart.

The dems stopped holding themselves to high standards in 1968. That's when they took in the communist party.

They are nice....nice liars. They are pc...pc about everything which is destroying this country. They are fighting one war right now. The war against Bush and the American people.

[Dilloduck]

well it was your thinking.

The GOP keeps raising the level of vitriol and smear.

The Dems have always held themselves to a higher standard cuz they are nicer, more PC, not as war mongrelled at heart.


I think that the dems felt forced to pursue the same tactics.

no--it was your thinking

[Baron Von Esslingen]

The dems stopped holding themselves to high standards in 1968.

Isn't that about the time a Palestinian terrorist killed Bobby Kennedy? Not much you can do when a terrorist kills the best and the brightest of the party and a pathological liar named Richard Milhouse Nixon gets elected. Talk about our standards slipping. Ha!


That's when they took in the communist party.

Or better yet, it's when we started kicking out all the good-old-boy racists and letting our party reflect the America of the people. Never saw a communist in our party but then we didn't have the insight of someone like, say, Joe McCarthy, famous 1950's republican, telling us where they all were.


They are nice....nice liars.

The party of Richard Nixon, George W Bush, Spiro Agnew and Ronald Reagan calling us liars? MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's rich!


They are pc...pc about everything which is destroying this country.

I don't remember Democrats being in favor of shipping our jobs to China, giving away the Treasury to the richest 1%, starting a war they cannot finish, coddling racists and child molestors as party members or failing to provide adequate health care for our nation's children. HMMMMM... are we talking about the same country here?


They are fighting one war right now. The war against Bush and the American people.

Well you got part of one right: we are fighting against Bush but the other half of your claim is wrong. We ARE the American people. 67% of us, at last count. Sorry to burst your bubble. :slap:

[Gaffer]

Isn't that about the time a Palestinian terrorist killed Bobby Kennedy? Not much you can do when a terrorist kills the best and the brightest of the party and a pathological liar named Richard Milhouse Nixon gets elected. Talk about our standards slipping. Ha!

Bingo. And he was replaced by humphreys who got trounced by nixon, because the democrats had adopted most of the communist parties platform by then. Nixon was the only alternative to humphrey


Or better yet, it's when we started kicking out all the good-old-boy racists and letting our party reflect the America of the people. Never saw a communist in our party but then we didn't have the insight of someone like, say, Joe McCarthy, famous 1950's republican, telling us where they all were.

When you were kicking out the racists you missed byrd. The democrats have always been made up of a bunch of individual groups under the umbrella of the party. Take a look at their social programs. Since 68 they have been more the socialist party than democrats.

The party of Richard Nixon, George W Bush, Spiro Agnew and Ronald Reagan calling us liars? MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's rich!

I call em as I see em. And I have seen nothing but outright lies from the democrats. nixon was a liar. carter was a liar. clinton was a liar. agnue was a crook, Reagan didn't lie as far as I have ever been able to determine. If so I have never seen it.

I don't remember Democrats being in favor of shipping our jobs to China, giving away the Treasury to the richest 1%, starting a war they cannot finish, coddling racists and child molestors as party members or failing to provide adequate health care for our nation's children. HMMMMM... are we talking about the same country here?

No they don't ship jobs out, they ship out military secrets, rocket inertia guidance systems, computer hard drives, things like that. And I seem to recall during the clinton years a few companies going south of the border because of cheap labor.

Well you got part of one right: we are fighting against Bush but the other half of your claim is wrong. We ARE the American people. 67% of us, at last count. Sorry to burst your bubble. :slap:

where do you get your numbers from? 67% of Americans are not democrats. The majority of Americans don't hold party affiliations.

Wow a democrat that responded and didn't call me one name. I'm impressed.

The democrats are using iraq to attack Bush. They went from wanting saddam taken down to claiming it wasn't necessary. And now their sole goal is to bring down Bush, at any cost, including undermining the war effort, defending the terrorists and outright lying.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

67% of the American people disagree with how this president is doing his job. Current poll numbers vary but that's the ballpark figure.

There are as many communists in the Democratic Party as there are Nazis in the Republican Party.

Bush started a war he could not finish. We polished off the Germans' AND the Japanese in less time. Time to call in the Arab League, have them put their troops in Iraq and police the civil war, and for us to leave.

No one is defending terrorists here. Funny you should throw that into the mix here. Well, actually, it's not so much funny as sad. It tells me you have little left to discuss so you resort to fear mongering. Pass.

I only call names in response to namecalling. Self-defense. I get too busy ripping Georgie Boy a new one to bother with posters only interested in calling names to other posters.

[Birdzeye]

67% of the American people disagree with how this president is doing his job. Current poll numbers vary but that's the ballpark figure.

There are as many communists in the Democratic Party as there are Nazis in the Republican Party.

Bush started a war he could not finish. We polished off the Germans' AND the Japanese in less time. Time to call in the Arab League, have them put their troops in Iraq and police the civil war, and for us to leave.

No one is defending terrorists here. Funny you should throw that into the mix here. Well, actually, it's not so much funny as sad. It tells me you have little left to discuss so you resort to fear mongering. Pass.

I only call names in response to namecalling. Self-defense. I get too busy ripping Georgie Boy a new one to bother with posters only interested in calling names to other posters.

:clap:

[Gaffer]

67% of the American people disagree with how this president is doing his job. Current poll numbers vary but that's the ballpark figure.

There are as many communists in the Democratic Party as there are Nazis in the Republican Party.

Bush started a war he could not finish. We polished off the Germans' AND the Japanese in less time. Time to call in the Arab League, have them put their troops in Iraq and police the civil war, and for us to leave.

No one is defending terrorists here. Funny you should throw that into the mix here. Well, actually, it's not so much funny as sad. It tells me you have little left to discuss so you resort to fear mongering. Pass.

I only call names in response to namecalling. Self-defense. I get too busy ripping Georgie Boy a new one to bother with posters only interested in calling names to other posters.

67% of the American people disagreeing with Bush does not make them all democrats. There's plenty I disagree with him on.

As for the terrorist, do you or don't you want them freed and that they are all misunderstood people? We are not at war with iraq. We are at war with islam. Iraq is a front in that war. The war with iraq ended 3 weeks after we invaded. We are now fighting an assortment of thugs, mercenaries, and al queda. But all I hear from the dems is bring the troops home. You are playing politics with the lives of the soldiers. All because you hate Bush. you divide the country and give our enemies the encouragement to continue fighting when they can't win militarily. And so the GWOT will go on for at least another 20 years.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

67% of the American people disagreeing with Bush does not make them all democrats. There's plenty I disagree with him on.

You said they were all Democrats. I never did. I said "the American people."


As for the terrorist, do you or don't you want them freed and that they are all misunderstood people? We are not at war with iraq. We are at war with islam. Iraq is a front in that war.

I don't one solitary terrorist freed. I want them, tried, convicted fairly and locked up forever plus one day. We are at war with Islamic fundamentalists in the middle east and with Christian fundamentalists here at home. They are both extremist groups who want to run your lives for you. I care for neither bunch very much.


The war with iraq ended 3 weeks after we invaded. We are now fighting an assortment of thugs, mercenaries, and al queda. But all I hear from the dems is bring the troops home.

Yes. The "war" was over in three weeks but because this president listened to idiots who told him to disband the army, the police, customs agents and all civil authority, Iraq went into a chaos which it has not come out of. All kinds of groups are armed today that were not before because of this monumental screw-up and the simmering religious conflict erupted into a civil war. We don't belong in the middle of a civil war. Let the Arab League put their troops in place (from Saudi, Egypt, Jordan) and they will broker the peace that only they can do and send our troops home. There is nothing more to be gained and plenty to lose by staying there any longer.


You are playing politics with the lives of the soldiers.

As we have seen since the election, it has been George Bush who is guilty of that charge and he has been playing that game for many years now.


All because you hate Bush. you divide the country and give our enemies the encouragement to continue fighting when they can't win militarily. And so the GWOT will go on for at least another 20 years.

Oh, gee, here we go again with that "hate Bush" business. Sorry. You got the wrong Liberal. My religion prohibits me from hating anyone. I haven't divided this country or told people that either you are on George Bush's side or you are with the terrorists. That was Bush who polarized the people and that attitude set the people against him and his policies. Bush has not tried a political solution because he connot control those forces. He doesn't like not being in total control and, thus, has lost control not only militarily but politically as well.

I disagree. The WoT will go on as long as there is civilization because there will always be people that have extremist views that they cannot fulfill and so they will turn to terrorism to achiev their goals. They will lose in the end, they always do, but others arise to take their place.

[Gaffer]

You said they were all Democrats. I never did. I said "the American people."



I don't one solitary terrorist freed. I want them, tried, convicted fairly and locked up forever plus one day. We are at war with Islamic fundamentalists in the middle east and with Christian fundamentalists here at home. They are both extremist groups who want to run your lives for you. I care for neither bunch very much.

There is no war with christian fundimentalists. There is a war with islam and the dems are at war with Bush. And the war with islam should take presidence over the dems feelings about Bush and desire for power.


Yes. The "war" was over in three weeks but because this president listened to idiots who told him to disband the army, the police, customs agents and all civil authority, Iraq went into a chaos which it has not come out of. All kinds of groups are armed today that were not before because of this monumental screw-up and the simmering religious conflict erupted into a civil war. We don't belong in the middle of a civil war. Let the Arab League put their troops in place (from Saudi, Egypt, Jordan) and they will broker the peace that only they can do and send our troops home. There is nothing more to be gained and plenty to lose by staying there any longer.

Yes he made some mistakes in how the post war effort went. And he still hasn't figured it out that we are fighting islam, not a bunch of radicals. There is success going on now in iraq and most of the fighting is now against al queda. Even Anbar is being pacified. The government there is becoming more secular, which is the only hope for iraq. Our getting up and leaving will just leave a hole that al queda and iran will fill and give them a country rich in oil and infrasture operate from. Sending in the arab league will just pit sunni's against shea and restart the secular war that was going before. Because those countries are primarily sunni.


As we have seen since the election, it has been George Bush who is guilty of that charge and he has been playing that game for many years now.

He has been dealing with a war. It's the dems that keep trying to undermine his efforts. And the media who work for them. The dems are out to lose the iraq front in the overall war. The media supports that effort. If a bomb goes off in baghdad its all over the news and front page of papers. But there's nothing said about a major battle fought in afganhistan where hundreds of taliban and al queda are killed with no US casulties. Why? Because the bombing makes Bush look bad. The battle in afganhistan makes the military look good and that makes Bush look good. So it goes unreported. Other battles go unreported because the dems have started another scandal about the Bush administration.

Oh, gee, here we go again with that "hate Bush" business. Sorry. You got the wrong Liberal. My religion prohibits me from hating anyone. I haven't divided this country or told people that either you are on George Bush's side or you are with the terrorists. That was Bush who polarized the people and that attitude set the people against him and his policies. Bush has not tried a political solution because he connot control those forces. He doesn't like not being in total control and, thus, has lost control not only militarily but politically as well.

Maybe you will prove to be different than the other lib posters here, but most of their posts can be boiled down to three words, I hate Bush. For all their long ramblings and name calling that's what they have to say.

Bush hasn't divided anyone. The dems have done that themselves. They have set themselves against anything he tries to do and have worked continuously to undermine him in every way. And once again the media sides with the dems.

I disagree. The WoT will go on as long as there is civilization because there will always be people that have extremist views that they cannot fulfill and so they will turn to terrorism to achiev their goals. They will lose in the end, they always do, but others arise to take their place.

Actually it will go on until islam is eliminated.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

There is no war with christian fundimentalists. There is a war with islam and the dems are at war with Bush. And the war with islam should take presidence over the dems feelings about Bush and desire for power.

There is a lot of disagreement with Bush but it stretches things to call it a war. It was why I sarcastically inserted the "christian Fundamentalist" jibe. Neither disagreement is a war. We are at war in Iraq. We have many Muslim friends over there but the enemies we have are islamic Fundamentalists, not with Islam itself.




Yes he made some mistakes in how the post war effort went. And he still hasn't figured it out that we are fighting islam, not a bunch of radicals. There is success going on now in iraq and most of the fighting is now against al queda. Even Anbar is being pacified. The government there is becoming more secular, which is the only hope for iraq. Our getting up and leaving will just leave a hole that al queda and iran will fill and give them a country rich in oil and infrasture operate from. Sending in the arab league will just pit sunni's against shea and restart the secular war that was going before. Because those countries are primarily sunni.

al-qaeda is allying themselves WITH the Sunnis. Unless we get a Sunni-Shia force in there from the Arab League, we risk losing it all. The Sunnis in country are desperate. They want help and they taking it from wherever they can get it. The longer we are there, supporting a Shia based government, the more entrenched al-qaeda becomes. Only by leaving do we solve the al-qaeda problem because their war is with us. If we are not there, the Sunni will not need them anymore and boot them out.


He has been dealing with a war. It's the dems that keep trying to undermine his efforts. And the media who work for them. The dems are out to lose the iraq front in the overall war. The media supports that effort. If a bomb goes off in baghdad its all over the news and front page of papers. But there's nothing said about a major battle fought in afganhistan where hundreds of taliban and al queda are killed with no US casulties. Why? Because the bombing makes Bush look bad. The battle in afganhistan makes the military look good and that makes Bush look good. So it goes unreported. Other battles go unreported because the dems have started another scandal about the Bush administration.

Hate to burst your bubble but the Taliban is back in a big way in Afghanistan. Google it. You'll see. Even Fox News reports that all is not well there.

Bush's efforts have been underminded by stupid moves, risky strategies and clueless tactics done by his own advisers. Democrats have only had power for 75 days. This war has been fucked for a lot longer and that's why the GOP lost the last election: the American people wanted a change. (See above for the solution)


Maybe you will prove to be different than the other lib posters here, but most of their posts can be boiled down to three words, I hate Bush. For all their long ramblings and name calling that's what they have to say.

I got a lot of namecalling stored up for your boy George but hate isn't in my vocabulary. Sorry. Bush is a retard, a jerk, an incompetent, arrogant, and a thousand other things but it still doesn't amount to hate.


Bush hasn't divided anyone. The dems have done that themselves. They have set themselves against anything he tries to do and have worked continuously to undermine him in every way. And once again the media sides with the dems.

Well, we'll have to disagree on that one. He seems to have divided the country into 1/3rd and 2/3rds. The 1/3rd is your side and the 2/3rd- is my side. The media sides with whomever will help them sell their "news." Didn't you know that? Tossing that "Liberal Media" boogieman out there will get it shot down pretty quickly. Bush's problems are self-created. The media merely reports it. They don't have to make stuff up. There's enough stuff out there to report on wthout having to do that.


Actually it will go on until islam is eliminated.

That means it will be an endless war. I disagree with that assessment.

[Gaffer]

Try this site to see how al queda is fairing in iraq with the sunni's. This guy is an iraqi who lives in baghdad.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

There is a new parliment in iraq now and the sunni's are joining with the government left and right to fight al queda.

As for afganhistan there are 50,000 NATO troops there. They are doing some serious fighting and have been for a long time. It's just been ignored by the media. Your right they do report and sensationalize for money. But they also ignore real news in favor of partisanism. If anything makes Bush look good it will not be reported.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Try this site to see how al queda is fairing in iraq with the sunni's. This guy is an iraqi who lives in baghdad.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

There is a new parliment in iraq now and the sunni's are joining with the government left and right to fight al queda.

As for afganhistan there are 50,000 NATO troops there. They are doing some serious fighting and have been for a long time. It's just been ignored by the media. Your right they do report and sensationalize for money. But they also ignore real news in favor of partisanism. If anything makes Bush look good it will not be reported.

Thanks for the citation on the Iraqi.

As many Sunnis that are joining the government there are others who are joining the insurgency, al-qaeda. It is a civil war of epic proportions. We need to get out.

A quick Google search shows that Afghanistan IS being covered but it just doesn't make the nightly news. Plenty of other media, not always American, is still covering that war. Trouble is, with only 50k, the Taliban is back and carving out pieces of countryside for themselves. You cannot fight a war on the cheap but that's exactly what this president is doing.

BTW, Bush got five years of a pass from the press. I remember. I was there. Now that he is being eyed critically, you complain. Bush's problem is that there isn't a whole lot of good coming out of this White House. Tell me something I missed so I can Google it and show you how the media covered it. Maybe it wasn't a top story for a week with trumpets blowing every night saying, "What a good boy George is" but I bet you it made the news.

[Gaffer]

Thanks for the citation on the Iraqi.

As many Sunnis that are joining the government there are others who are joining the insurgency, al-qaeda. It is a civil war of epic proportions. We need to get out.

You didn't read any of his posts did you. Your determined to spin it all as bad news no matter what your presented with, just like the media.

A quick Google search shows that Afghanistan IS being covered but it just doesn't make the nightly news. Plenty of other media, not always American, is still covering that war. Trouble is, with only 50k, the Taliban is back and carving out pieces of countryside for themselves. You cannot fight a war on the cheap but that's exactly what this president is doing.

Yes afgan is being covered by other media, I have to search the internet for stories because the MSM doesn't carrying any of it. Nato is in charge of the number of troops in afgan and additional troops have been requested by commanders in the field, Those requests have been ignored, not by Bush but by the NATO commanders and countries involved. The build up of taliban and attacks along the border was something foretold by the military there. It is no surprise, they have told about it for months.

BTW, Bush got five years of a pass from the press. I remember. I was there. Now that he is being eyed critically, you complain. Bush's problem is that there isn't a whole lot of good coming out of this White House. Tell me something I missed so I can Google it and show you how the media covered it. Maybe it wasn't a top story for a week with trumpets blowing every night saying, "What a good boy George is" but I bet you it made the news.

Bush got WHAT from the press? You were there? Was it a parallel univer you were living in at the time. show me anything good the media said about Bush, google that. And I will bet in any article (few as they maybe) you will still find something deragatory about him in it. Or the good part will be found buried 12 paragraphs down in the article.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Bush got WHAT from the press? You were there? Was it a parallel univer you were living in at the time. show me anything good the media said about Bush, google that. And I will bet in any article (few as they maybe) you will still find something deragatory about him in it. Or the good part will be found buried 12 paragraphs down in the article.

A pass is where the press publishes what Bush says without bothering to investigate to see whether he is telling the truth. Happened a lot in Bush's early years. I was there. I saw the press miss the boat numerous times and only recently start to deal with their own errors of omission.

They gave him a pass on his tax cuts failing to see how it would drain the treasury and benefit the wealthy, just like Al Gore said it would.

They gave him a pass on the Medicare Drug benefit and the fact that Medicare would have to purchase those drugs at market rates, no discounts allowed.

They gave him a pass on the Iraq War and failed to realize that we short changed the Afghans in their war. Now it's all caught up to us.

They gave him a pass on all the political appointees that were corrupting the science at NASA, the education policies at Education, and screwing workers over at the Labor Department and the NLRB.

I could go on but I am just wasting my breath on this topic. The point's been made.

*Waves to the lurkers* :bye1:

[stephanie]

A pass is where the press publishes what Bush says without bothering to investigate to see whether he is telling the truth. Happened a lot in Bush's early years. I was there. I saw the press miss the boat numerous times and only recently start to deal with their own errors of omission.

They gave him a pass on his tax cuts failing to see how it would drain the treasury and benefit the wealthy, just like Al Gore said it would.

They gave him a pass on the Medicare Drug benefit and the fact that Medicare would have to purchase those drugs at market rates, no discounts allowed.

They gave him a pass on the Iraq War and failed to realize that we short changed the Afghans in their war. Now it's all caught up to us.

They gave him a pass on all the political appointees that were corrupting the science at NASA, the education policies at Education, and screwing workers over at the Labor Department and the NLRB.

I could go on but I am just wasting my breath on this topic. The point's been made.

*Waves to the lurkers* :bye1:

:boobies: :smoke:(Yawn)...
come back when you have something we haven't heard before..
How about fact. and links to all this.........????
And Please,,,,,,,,not the fact from the conspiracy sites..:lame2:

[grunt]

actually the GOP breaks new ground in undermining the nation with dirty politics every election cycle.

Swiftboaters, whispercampaigns, harpooning their own party members. They know no shame.

I think that the dems felt forced to pursue the same tactics.

Thanks to Mark Foley it really wasn't neccesary.:cool:


You just don't get it, huh?

It's one thing to undermine a PERSON. It's a totaly different thing to undermine your country. But hey, the US is at fault for every thing bad in the world. So why not?

Moron.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

:boobies: :smoke:(Yawn)...
come back when you have something we haven't heard before..
How about fact. and links to all this.........????
And Please,,,,,,,,not the fact from the conspiracy sites..:lame2:

I couldn't post links from conspiracy websites... they are full of wingnut conservatives and I don't like my PC getting infected with all their crap. I steer clear of them. Feel free to make yourself at home there.

If you have heard all this before then you should already have the links, correct? Or are you just trying to start a wild goose chase that you have no intention of participating in, just standing by and watching?

You tell me which of my points you want to discuss first and I'll pull up a link for you and you can assert your typical neocon bluster that I can shoot down and then we can go on to the next point... that is if you are still playing. (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=32477&postcount=98)