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red states rule
11-13-2008, 09:18 AM
Got this in an email.


It's my opinion today that many Americans will soon (probably already) be in remorse for the mistake of voting for Obama in 08.
Remorse because of the reasons that they voted for him in such numbers to get him elected.

Reasons:

To pay the Republicans back for their stupidity in the past Eight years.
I guess this one is about the worst reasons, but one that was used many times.

Change: Also a ridiculous one, because the voters don't yet know what it means. We live in the "most wonderful" country in the world and these folks want it changed. ?

Bush hating: People on the left, since the Vietnam War have allowed a terrible hate to fester very deep in their insides against America because of Vietnam. I suppose the last two wars made it so bad, that their hate has consumed them and caused them to hate America as never before. maybe these haters will soon be able to stop hating America, for the payback they have desired will finally be paid. America, under Obama, will become a "third World dictatorship", likened only to the rest of the socialist nations that bow to any entity that barks at them. France being a perfect example.

Guilt for the past: millions of Americans have kept guilt in their hearts for years for the past, but weren't even here to participate. America will be made now to pay.

Now that Obama is elected I won't have to pay to fill my "gas tank" Kool-Aid glass or my mortgage again. Follower of Obama. Who says the dead can't help elect a dictator?

PostmodernProphet
11-13-2008, 10:08 AM
lol....we haven't even taken delivery yet....you got to wait till people take him out of the box and start playing with him.....the parallel is more like a child's Christmas toy....once the kid realizes his Transformer doesn't really fly by itself like it did on the commercials, he begins to lose interest......

red states rule
11-13-2008, 10:19 AM
lol....we haven't even taken delivery yet....you got to wait till people take him out of the box and start playing with him.....the parallel is more like a child's Christmas toy....once the kid realizes his Transformer doesn't really fly by itself like it did on the commercials, he begins to lose interest......

But the reaction of Wall St and the business community is very telling. What will the Obamabots do when they learn they will STILL have to make their house payment and pay for the gas they put in their cars?

Hull
11-13-2008, 10:21 AM
I voted for Bush and wound up regretting it, bad. The people that voted for Obama were all under the impression they were electing a God, and that he is going to work wonders. I don't think so. If people don't end up regretting voting for Obama, then they were just as stupid when they voted for him as they will be later.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 10:25 AM
I voted for Bush and wound up regretting it, bad. The people that voted for Obama were all under the impression they were electing a God, and that he is going to work wonders. I don't think so. If people don't end up regretting voting for Obama, then they were just as stupid when they voted for him as they will be later.

The thing that brought the liberals I know over the edge is the "forced volunteerism"--anything forced is not volunteerism, it's forced labor.

The talk about the government taking over 401K's is not playing well with them either

Hull
11-13-2008, 10:37 AM
The thing that brought the liberals I know over the edge is the "forced volunteerism"--anything forced is not volunteerism, it's forced labor.

The talk about the government taking over 401K's is not playing well with them either

But just to answer your question, is there going to be any buyers remorse, I think the answer is damn sure there's going to be. There is already.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 10:43 AM
But just to answer your question, is there going to be any buyers remorse, I think the answer is damn sure there's going to be. There is already.

and it will get only worse for the chosen one and the Dems in Congress

GW in Ohio
11-13-2008, 12:48 PM
Got this in an email.


It's my opinion today that many Americans will soon (probably already) be in remorse for the mistake of voting for Obama in 08.
Remorse because of the reasons that they voted for him in such numbers to get him elected.

Reasons:

To pay the Republicans back for their stupidity in the past Eight years.
I guess this one is about the worst reasons, but one that was used many times.

Change: Also a ridiculous one, because the voters don't yet know what it means. We live in the "most wonderful" country in the world and these folks want it changed. ?

Bush hating: People on the left, since the Vietnam War have allowed a terrible hate to fester very deep in their insides against America because of Vietnam. I suppose the last two wars made it so bad, that their hate has consumed them and caused them to hate America as never before. maybe these haters will soon be able to stop hating America, for the payback they have desired will finally be paid. America, under Obama, will become a "third World dictatorship", likened only to the rest of the socialist nations that bow to any entity that barks at them. France being a perfect example.

Guilt for the past: millions of Americans have kept guilt in their hearts for years for the past, but weren't even here to participate. America will be made now to pay.

Now that Obama is elected I won't have to pay to fill my "gas tank" Kool-Aid glass or my mortgage again. Follower of Obama. Who says the dead can't help elect a dictator?

This thread is sponsored by the same geniuses who said McCain would win the election....

red states rule
11-13-2008, 12:52 PM
This thread is sponsored by the same geniuses who said McCain would win the election....

I never said McCaon would win. I said it would be close, an no matter who won we would ahve a liberal as President

Nice dodge on your part to avoid talking about the topic of the thread. Are you having second thoughts about the messiah????

retiredman
11-13-2008, 12:58 PM
I never said McCaon would win. I said it would be close, an no matter who won we would ahve a liberal as President

Nice dodge on your part to avoid talking about the topic of the thread. Are you having second thoughts about the messiah????

did you look at the electoral map? It really wasn't very close.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 01:00 PM
did you look at the electoral map? It really wasn't very close.

Hardly a blowout in the number of votes Obama won by

But now he and the Dems will rule DC, and so far he has lived down to his all expectations

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:16 PM
Hardly a blowout in the number of votes Obama won by

But now he and the Dems will rule DC, and so far he has lived down to his all expectations

but we both know that the popular vote is meaningless. The EC was pretty much of a blowout...he had strength across the country... lots of formerly red states turned blue. that can't be good news for your party.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 01:19 PM
but we both know that the popular vote is meaningless. The EC was pretty much of a blowout...he had strength across the country... lots of formerly red states turned blue. that can't be good news for your party.

Libs see the popular vote as meaningless when the vote goes against them - then they run to a liberal Judge to toss oit those votes

My party will be fine as Obama and the Dms allow their arrogance to run wild - AND the party goes back to ragan conservative princiapls as an alternative

Immanuel
11-13-2008, 01:23 PM
but we both know that the popular vote is meaningless. The EC was pretty much of a blowout...he had strength across the country... lots of formerly red states turned blue. that can't be good news for your party.

Unless you look at things like OCA. :D

Anyone who denies that George W. Bush did not cost the Republicans a significant number of votes this election is fooling him/her self.

P.E. Obama ran a good campaign and hopefully that will play out in his Presidency, but the election sans President Bush would have been a hell of a lot closer.

Immie

PS who won the cribbage game?

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:26 PM
Libs see the popular vote as meaninglessonly when the vote goes against them - then they run to a liberal Judge to toss oit those votes

My party will be fine as Obama and the Dms allow their arrogance to run wild - AND the party goes back to ragan conservative princiapls as an alternative

your pipedream...

Like I said...Obama beat McCain in the popular vote by a hell of a lot more votes than Gore beat Bush!

I understood the importance of 270....

I also know that 365 - 173 is an ass whipping.:lol:

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:27 PM
Unless you look at things like OCA. :D

Anyone who denies that George W. Bush did not cost the Republicans a significant number of votes this election is fooling him/her self.

P.E. Obama ran a good campaign and hopefully that will play out in his Presidency, but the election sans President Bush would have been a hell of a lot closer.

Immie

PS who won the cribbage game?

the old gal skunked me twice. she was quite pleased with herself.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 01:27 PM
your pipedream...

Like I said...Obama beat McCain in the popular vote by a hell of a lot more votes than Gore beat Bush!

I understood the importance of 270....

I also know that 365 - 173 is an ass whipping.:lol:

Like most libs right now please allow your arrogance to think the people want unchecked liberalism

Like in 1980 and 1994, the voters wil reject it. Then you will make excuses and try to rewrite history to explain your failures

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:29 PM
Like most libs right now please allow your arrogance to think the people want unchecked liberalism

Like in 1980 and 1994, the voters wil reject it. Then you will make excuses and try to rewrite history to explain your failures


I have never thought that the people want unchecked anything. Your side LOST, RSR. suck it up. :lol:

red states rule
11-13-2008, 01:31 PM
I have never thought that the people want unchecked anything. Your side LOST, RSR. suck it up. :lol:

Since only about half of those who could've showed up to vote actually did so, you have little more than about 1/4 of Americans agreeing with you.

But you go ahead and enjoy your alternative reality....It's pretty much par for the course from the Obammy cargo cultists now.

That new car smell will wear off as the economy continues to tank under the tax and spend liberals

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:33 PM
Since only about half of those who could've showed up to vote actually did so, you have little more than about 1/4 of Americans agreeing with you.

But you go ahead and enjoy your alternative reality....It's pretty much par for the course from the Obammy cargo cultists now.

That new car smell will wear off as the economy continues to tank under the tax and spend liberals


again...that's your pipedream...

the REALITY is: you lost. we won, and won big. that is the FACT of the matter...and we both know how much you love facts.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 01:34 PM
again...that's your pipedream...

the REALITY is: you lost. we won, and won big. that is the FACT of the matter...and we both know how much you love facts.

and since the messiah won the Dow is down about 15%

that is a fact

Abbey Marie
11-13-2008, 01:34 PM
Cribbage boards were in every camp we've ever stayed at in Maine. It must be a Maine thang.

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:42 PM
Cribbage boards were in every camp we've ever stayed at in Maine. It must be a Maine thang.


it is... nearly everyone I know here plays.

but my grandparents in Illinois were big cribbage players too. They played two games a day every day for 15 years... and they kept track of their running score. My grandfather had been down by as many as 100 games, but came back to tie the overall game score... and died of a massive coronary an hour later!

stephanie
11-13-2008, 01:42 PM
Cribbage boards were in every camp we've ever stayed at in Maine. It must be a Maine thang.

great game..

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:43 PM
and since the messiah won the Dow is down about 15%

that is a fact

and correlation between THOSE two events is purely speculation. sorry...no factual connection there.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 01:44 PM
and correlation between THOSE two events is purely speculation. sorry...no factual connection there.

the Dow had the biggest post election decline ever the day after the election - that is a FACT

Abbey Marie
11-13-2008, 01:45 PM
it is... nearly everyone I know here plays.

but my grandparents in Illinois were big cribbage players too. They played two games a day every day for 15 years... and they kept track of their running score. My grandfather had been down by as many as 100 games, but came back to tie the overall game score... and died of a massive coronary an hour later!

Wow- what a great story!

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:47 PM
the Dow had the biggest post election decline ever the day after the election - that is a FACT

any correlation between the Dow and the election is purely speculation. sorry.

do you know what I think is funny? up until this election, the more educated you were, the more likely you were to vote republican.... but exit polling shows that college and post graduate educated voters went for Obama over McCain by a wide margin.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 01:49 PM
any correlation between the Dow and the election is purely speculation. sorry.

do you know what I think is funny? up until this election, the more educated you were, the more likely you were to vote republican.... but exit polling shows that college and post graduate educated voters went for Obama over McCain by a wide margin.

They folks know on Wall Street know higher taxes, bigger government, more deficit spending, and more regulation is on the way

Unlike you, they see things int he light of day and do not higher their blinders on

The Dow is an indication of the economic future - and is does not look good

Jimmy Carters second term is heading straight for us

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:53 PM
They folks know on Wall Street know higher taxes, bigger government, more deficit spending, and more regulation is on the way

Unlike you, they see things int he light of day and do not higher their blinders on

The Dow is an indication of the economic future - and is does not look good

Jimmy Carters second term is heading straight for us

purely speculation. not fact. no correlation...

you're just hoping for economic failure. party before country for you, eh?

red states rule
11-13-2008, 01:55 PM
purely speculation. not fact. no correlation...

you're just hoping for economic failure. party before country for you, eh?

It is a fact Virgil. The pending economic failure is based on basic economic principals - unless Obama goes back on his promises to raise taxes and increase government spending

So many were completely fooled with Obama's words and eloquent speeches. Soon they will learn that his "change" will be a complete way of life they never knew before. That change will be coming out of their own hard earned pocketbooks and straight into Obama's big bank account.

Mark my words, the next four years will be very interesting and not like anything people imagined it would be. But, keep drinking the Kool-Aid, because you people that voted him in will go down with the ship as well as all other Americans when the ship sinks. It has begun a slow leak already.

retiredman
11-13-2008, 01:58 PM
It is a fact Virgil. The pending economic failure is based on basic economic principals - unless Obama goes back on his promises to raise taxes and increase government spending

So many were completely fooled with Obama's words and eloquent speeches. Soon they will learn that his "change" will be a complete way of life they never knew before. That change will be coming out of their own hard earned pocketbooks and straight into Obama's big bank account.

Mark my words, the next four years will be very interesting and not like anything people imagined it would be. But, keep drinking the Kool-Aid, because you people that voted him in will go down with the ship as well as all other Americans when the ship sinks. It has begun a slow leak already.


mark your words?:laugh2: I have been marking your words for four years, RSR... first off, hardly any of them are "your words" and then, most of the time they have been wrong. Oh..and now that the election is over, you officially ARE a welcher. A democrat in the white house, increased majorities in both chambers....just exactly what we bet $500 on. You lose!!!!:poke:

And hey...remember when you were predicting such success for Rudy? :lol:

red states rule
11-13-2008, 02:00 PM
mark your words?:laugh2: I have been marking your words for four years, RSR... first off, hardly any of them are "your words" and then, most of the time they have been wrong. Oh..and now that the election is over, you officially ARE a welcher. A democrat in the white house, increased majorities in both chambers....just exactly what we bet $500 on. You lose!!!!:poke:

And hey...remember when you were predicting such success for Rudy? :lol:

Now you are changing ths subject - damn those facts got in way again Virgil:lol:

You do get that his plan will have big and small businesses fleeing the country to protect their own interests, and all those jobs will go with them. Additionally, issuing social security cards to illegal aliens is a real smart move Finally, raising taxes during a recession only serves to worsen the problem.

Take a look at MI and the state of its economy. The worst governor today (Granholm) is one of Obamas economic advisers. If you call that bright I would hate to see what you consider genius.

retiredman
11-13-2008, 02:26 PM
Now you are changing ths subject - damn those facts got in way again Virgil:lol:

You do get that his plan will have big and small businesses fleeing the country to protect their own interests, and all those jobs will go with them. Additionally, issuing social security cards to illegal aliens is a real smart move Finally, raising taxes during a recession only serves to worsen the problem.

Take a look at MI and the state of its economy. The worst governor today (Granholm) is one of Obamas economic advisers. If you call that bright I would hate to see what you consider genius.

the FACT is that there is no correlation between the election and the stock market. Any suggestion otherwise is bullshit speculation and you know it.

I disagree with your assessment of Obama's plan and we'll just have to wait and see.

I think it is really sad that you seem to be hoping for economic failure in America just to advance your party's political future. Party over country for you, eh welcher?

red states rule
11-13-2008, 02:28 PM
the FACT is that there is no correlation between the election and the stock market. Any suggestion otherwise is bullshit speculation and you know it.

I disagree with your assessment of Obama's plan and we'll just have to wait and see.

I think it is really sad that you seem to be hoping for economic failure in America just to advance your party's political future. Party over country for you, eh welcher?

The FACT is Virgil, Obama has set a record less then 24 hours after winning - the biggest post election drop of the Dow EVER

The economic failures I talk about is based on Oama and the Dems own promises and polcies they have outlined

His policies will not create jobs. Instead, there will be tremendous job losses. Almost all new jobs last year were created by small businesses. People don't realize that the small businesses must take their profits and reinvest them for the business to flourish. People are already being laid off.

Everyone likes to bash the fat cats, but they create jobs, create businesses, etc. Obama will end up raising taxes substantially. I'm sure you heard Obama say he'll give a $3000 tax credit to a company hiring a new employee. What he failed to mention is that that amount does not offset the extra cost of having an employee. For instance a $50,000 employee may actually cost $60,000 or more per year depending on benefits, etc. A $3000 tax credit is not an incentive to hire.

But being a liberal hack the last thing you are interested in in facts and basic economic prinicpals

I would be happy to teach you basic economics Virgil - free of charge

retiredman
11-13-2008, 02:43 PM
The FACT is Virgil, Obama has set a record less then 24 hours after winning - the biggest post election drop of the Dow EVER

again...no correlation. sorry

The economic failures I talk about is based on Oama and the Dems own promises and polcies they have outlined

your opinions...not factys

His policies will not create jobs. Instead, there will be tremendous job losses. Almost all new jobs last year were created by small businesses. People don't realize that the small businesses must take their profits and reinvest them for the business to flourish. People are already being laid off.
again...more opinions....not facts

Everyone likes to bash the fat cats, but they create jobs, create businesses, etc. Obama will end up raising taxes substantially. I'm sure you heard Obama say he'll give a $3000 tax credit to a company hiring a new employee. What he failed to mention is that that amount does not offset the extra cost of having an employee. For instance a $50,000 employee may actually cost $60,000 or more per year depending on benefits, etc. A $3000 tax credit is not an incentive to hire.

more opinions

But being a liberal hack the last thing you are interested in in facts and basic economic prinicpals

more insults

I would be happy to teach you basic economics Virgil - free of charge
Again...why do you disrespect jimnyc by continuing to ignore his requests?

red states rule
11-13-2008, 02:45 PM
Again...why do you disrespect jimnyc by continuing to ignore his requests?

Amazinbg how you dismiss basic economic princiapals as opinion VIRGIL. You must have a mental block when it comes to the truth - check out how Carter years to see how the same liberal polices worked in the 70's

retiredman
11-13-2008, 02:48 PM
Amazinbg how you dismiss basic economic princiapals as opinion VIRGIL. You must have a mental block when it comes to the truth - check out how Carter years to see how the same liberal polices worked in the 70's

I dismiss your interpretation of "basic economic prinicples" as your interpretation...your interpretation is not fact. Paul Krugman, who just won the Nobel Prize for economics, thinks differently that you do.

We'll see how well the economy is doing in two years. I, for one, believe that it will be better...and I hope it will as well. You clearly think it will be worse...I understand that. What I don't understand is your apparent desire for the economy to fail. that seems to prove the fact that you do indeed put party over country.

hack.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 02:51 PM
I dismiss your interpretation of "basic economic prinicples" as your interpretation...your interpretation is not fact.

We'll see how well the economy is doing in two years. I, for one, believe that it will be better...and I hope it will as well. You clearly think it will be worse...I understand that. What I don't understand is your apparent desire for the economy to fail. that seems to prove the fact that you do indeed put party over country.

hack.

If there is buyer's remorse, we won't hear about it. The media will paint everything Obama does in the best light possible. Think of how this election was manipulated by ACORN and the media. Where was the media outrage over ACORN? Over Obama's associations? They elected him, and they cannot afford for him to look bad in any way.

Seeing as the majority of main stream media is tanked for Obama i would imagine that we will be hearing how every misstep Obama takes is some how Bushs fault. In fact im already hearing Obamas choice of Rahm is Bushes doing

and you will join the media in making excuses, inventing lies, and blaming everyone except your beloved Dems for the failure of liberalism

retiredman
11-13-2008, 02:53 PM
If there is buyer's remorse, we won't hear about it. The media will paint everything Obama does in the best light possible. Think of how this election was manipulated by ACORN and the media. Where was the media outrage over ACORN? Over Obama's associations? They elected him, and they cannot afford for him to look bad in any way.

Seeing as the majority of main stream media is tanked for Obama i would imagine that we will be hearing how every misstep Obama takes is some how Bushs fault. In fact im already hearing Obamas choice of Rahm is Bushes doing

and you will join the media in making excuses, inventing lies, and blaming everyone except your beloved Dems for the failure of liberalism

your pipedream... sad, really...that you would hope for the failure of your country's economy.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 02:55 PM
your pipedream... sad, really...that you would hope for the failure of your country's economy.

Lets see, Dems are talking about taking our 401K's, having a czar for the auto industry, trillions in new baliouts - yep that should do wonders for the economy

retiredman
11-13-2008, 02:56 PM
Lets see, Dems are talking about taking our 401K's, having a czar for the auto industry, trillions in new baliouts - yep that should do wonders for the economy

your opinion.

the sad part is that you hope the democrats will HURT the economy..all for partisan political gain. party over country for RSR...every time.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 02:58 PM
your opinion.

the sad part is that you hope the democrats will HURT the economy..all for partisan political gain. party over country for RSR...every time.

So you think those are sound econmic ideas Virgil?

Will you be the first one to turn over you and your kids retirement accounts to the Feds, and let the Dems determine what cars should be made, and how much they should cost?

retiredman
11-13-2008, 03:05 PM
So you think those are sound econmic ideas Virgil?

Will you be the first one to turn over you and your kids retirement accounts to the Feds, and let the Dems determine what cars should be made, and how much they should cost?

nice dodge of the issue. hack

red states rule
11-13-2008, 03:07 PM
nice dodge of the issue. hack

Getting desperate again I see

The one big sign nobody can refute is the market collapse at the feet of the avowed socialist.

The question becomes...Will Obama find Capitalism in time to rescue the markets so he can serve a second term?

The eight ball turned up...Highly unlikely...on this one.

retiredman
11-13-2008, 03:09 PM
Getting desperate again I see

The one big sign nobody can refute is the market collapse at the feet of the avowed socialist.

The question becomes...Will Obama find Capitalism in time to rescue the markets so he can serve a second term?

The eight ball turned up...Highly unlikely...on this one.

anyone can refute your suggestion that the market's behavior is as a result of the election and NOT something like unemployment figures or earnings reports or fed policy.

The question becomes: when will YOU put country ahead of party ande hope for the success of the Obama administration because it would mean the success of our nation?

red states rule
11-13-2008, 03:11 PM
anyone can refute your suggestion that the market's behavior is as a result of the election and NOT something like unemployment figures or earnings reports or fed policy.

The question becomes: when will YOU put country ahead of party ande hope for the success of the Obama administration because it would mean the success of our nation?

Virgil, is to hard for you to admit Obama's win resulted in the BIGGEST POST ELECTION DROP IN HISTORY????

retiredman
11-13-2008, 03:15 PM
Virgil, is to hard for you to admit Obama's win resulted in the BIGGEST POST ELECTION DROP IN HISTORY????

I take issue with your use of the word "resulted". If you could prove it, you would. But we both know you can't.

hack.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 03:16 PM
I take issue with your use of the word "resulted". If you could prove it, you would. But we both know you can't.

hack.

It is true Virgil. I know those pesky facts keep getting in your way - deal with it

People are getting ready to insulate their wealth from the across the baord tax increases

retiredman
11-13-2008, 03:21 PM
It is true Virgil. I know those pesky facts keep getting in your way - deal with it

People are getting ready to insulate their wealth from the across the baord tax increases

it is not a fact that the stock market did anything as a result of Obama's election. If you stand outside your trailer and piss on the gravel driveway, and then five minutes later the sun comes up, that does not mean that your pissing resulted in sunrise. sorry.

red states rule
11-13-2008, 03:23 PM
it is not a fact that the stock market did anything as a result of Obama's election. If you stand outside your trailer and piss on the gravel driveway, and then five minutes later the sun comes up, that does not mean that your pissing resulted in sunrise. sorry.

When all the recently bankrupted and unemployed are unable to pay $6 a gallon for gasoline to go hunt down a new job, lose their internet connections so they can't hunt a job that way, and can't pay the cost of the water bill to wash a clean shirt for the job interview they haven't got anyway maybe they will learn liberalism is not the answer to anything

But you will flee to Mexico Virgil so you can escape the Obama policies