Sea Ice Back To The 1980's Levels

[Kathianne]

Guess the polar bears will be around a bit longer?

http://www.dailytech.com/Sea+Ice+Growing+at+Fastest+Pace+on+Record/article13385.htm






Rapid Rebound Brings Ice Back to Levels from the 1980s.

An abnormally cool Arctic is seeing dramatic changes to ice levels. In sharp contrast to the rapid melting seen last year, the amount of global sea ice has rebounded sharply and is now growing rapidly. The total amount of ice, which set a record low value last year, grew in October at the fastest pace since record-keeping began in 1979.

The actual amount of ice area varies seasonally from about 16 to 23 million square kilometers. However, the mean anomaly-- defined as the difference between the current area and the seasonally-adjusted average-- changes much slower, and generally varies by only 2-3 million square kilometers.

That anomaly had been negative, indicating ice loss, for most of the current decade and reached a historic low in 2007. The current value is again zero, indicating an amount of ice exactly equal to the global average from 1979-2000....

[stephanie]

someone needs to tell the Al Bore and his cult of GLOBAL WARMING nuts..

[Kathianne]

someone needs to tell the Al Bore and his cult of GLOBAL WARMING nuts..

They just ignore things like this. They have their proven faulty models and just keep yammering away.

[stephanie]

They just ignore things like this. They have their proven faulty models and just keep yammering away.

and the mush brains keep eating it up..

[Trigg]

See all we have to do is listen to Gore, elect a dem to the White House and with no other changes...........the sea ice is back.

[MtnBiker]

Flashback!



June 27, 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/weather/06/27/north.pole.melting/index.html

(CNN) -- The North Pole may be briefly ice-free by September as global warming melts away Arctic sea ice, according to scientists from the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado.

It never happened, despite what those scientists and even a few members on this board thought.

[No1tovote4]

Just two days ago, on another board that I know of, somebody brought up the "There will be no ice at the north pole for the first time in 1,000,000 years" stuff.

Somebody answered: "What caused it 1,000,000 years ago? Mazda or Toyota?"

[PostmodernProphet]

THE ICE AGE IS COMING, THE ICE AGE IS COMING.....if anyone can spare six or seven million$ I would be glad to study that for you.....

[Abbey Marie]

Just two days ago, on another board that I know of, somebody brought up the "There will be no ice at the north pole for the first time in 1,000,000 years" stuff.

Somebody answered: "What caused it 1,000,000 years ago? Mazda or Toyota?"

:laugh2:

[SpidermanTUba]

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/9604_large_gldailyice.jpg


Volatility does not equal a trend. This article appears to be basing its conclusion on the last 2-3 weeks or so of data.

[Nukeman]

Well holy crap are you saying that this is cyclic???? or is it anthropogenic?

[SpidermanTUba]

Would it stretch your imagination that far to conceive of the possibility that something in nature may be affected by both anthropogenic as well as non-anthropogenic causes?

[Kathianne]

Would it stretch your imagination that far to conceive of the possibility that something in nature may be affected by both anthropogenic as well as non-anthropogenic causes?

No. Would it stretch yours to say that many have been saying it may be more than man made?

[Nukeman]

Would it stretch your imagination that far to conceive of the possibility that something in nature may be affected by both anthropogenic as well as non-anthropogenic causes?
Not at all, but you have been like a freaking broken record on here and other places about how humans are basicly the cause of EVERYTHING, YOU are the one that has been very dense on the cyclic changes.....

[SpidermanTUba]

Guess the polar bears will be around a bit longer?

http://www.dailytech.com/Sea+Ice+Growing+at+Fastest+Pace+on+Record/article13385.htm


I call bullshit.

http://www.nsidc.org/sotc/images/arc_antarc_1979_2007.gif

[SpidermanTUba]

Well holy crap are you saying that this is cyclic???? or is it anthropogenic?

Does it have to be 100% either one or the other or is your brain capable of processing complex information?

[SpidermanTUba]

Not at all, but you have been like a freaking broken record on here and other places about how humans are basicly the cause of EVERYTHING,


I've never said anything like that, you're just making up bullshit.

[Hobbit]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/235/529990472_7390369f57.jpg?v=0

Charts and graphs with contradictory information do not a point prove. Unless I see how the data were gathered, I can't be sure of the chart's legitimacy, much less its accuracy.

[MtnBiker]

I call bullshit.

http://www.nsidc.org/sotc/images/arc_antarc_1979_2007.gif

and from 4/30/2010

http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_ext.png

http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic

hmmmmmm, that red line is much higher than that purple line

[hortysir]

Are we comparing EKGs?

:cheers2:

[gpp111]

The Arctic sea ice continued to grow until March 31st this year.

This is the latest date of ice growth ever recorded. This shows conditions favor ice growth.

The Arctic Sea ice is also thicker than 1980 according to the University of Illinois. Thicker ice takes longer to melt.

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=04&fd=27&fy=1980&sm=04&sd=27&sy=2010

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=04&fd=27&fy=1980&sm=04&sd=27&sy=2010

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=04&fd=27&fy=1980&sm=04&sd=27&sy=2010

Warmers conveniently overlook the Antarctic sea ice extent.

The Antarctic ice has been growing the last 30 years, and had the most sea ice ever recorded in 2008. (I will guess most readers never heard this in the press).

If the Arctic sea ice melted completely sea levels could not rise, since the ice is already in the water. Not the same for the Antarctic, it has 90% of the land ice, and if it melts, sea level will rise.

http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/south-ice-anomaly1.jpg

Global polar sea ice comprises of ice at both Poles.

While it is true there is less summer ice in the Arctic than in past years on average, there is more Antarctic polar ice on average. As one has reduced one has grown.

The difference is, that the Arctic ice has no impact on sea levels, while the Antarctic ice does potentially. And the Antarctic sea ice has been growing.

According to the National Snow and Ice Date Center, when you combine the sea ice volumes at BOTH poles, and take out seasonality, there is no loss of overall global sea ice.

http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/global-sea-ice-area-variation-bootstrap-algorithm1.jpg

What does this tell you?