View Full Version : Cheney indicted by Texas grand jury
gabosaurus
11-18-2008, 07:39 PM
This is pretty much a stretch, but still entertaining to read. :D
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/brownsvilleherald_91922___article.html/attorney_state.html
in other astonishing news...obama kept a promise
avatar4321
11-18-2008, 08:16 PM
Ok, Let's say these people committed crimes. What is going to keep the case from being thrown out for lack of Jurisdiction? I mean its clear none of the alleged crimes took place in that county.
Seems like the only person abusing their office is the district attorney.
Kathianne
11-18-2008, 08:23 PM
This is pretty much a stretch, but still entertaining to read. :D
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/brownsvilleherald_91922___article.html/attorney_state.html
Sort of like Keyes sues for birth certificate. :poke:
namvet
11-18-2008, 08:55 PM
something stinks in brownsville
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gabosaurus
11-19-2008, 06:25 PM
something stinks in brownsville
More or less than your home?
namvet
11-19-2008, 06:43 PM
More or less than your home?
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bullypulpit
11-20-2008, 05:33 AM
This is pretty much a stretch, but still entertaining to read. :D
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/brownsvilleherald_91922___article.html/attorney_state.html
Couldn't happen to nicer guys. As Al Capone was finally found guilty of tax evasion rather than racketeering and murder, it'll be their crimes outside of office that will bring down Bush and members of his administration.
Couldn't happen to nicer guys. As Al Capone was finally found guilty of tax evasion rather than racketeering and murder, it'll be their crimes outside of office that will bring down Bush and members of his administration.
A hispanic, from Texas, going after the Bush administration? What could possibly be their motive, since Bush has been the lap dog of Mexico his entire political career?
stephanie
11-20-2008, 09:01 AM
the libs and Democrats talk about ALL THESE CRIMES, yet they have never once PROVEN one..
and the Democrats in Congress let them get away with ALL THESE CRIMES,(because you know it's their sworn duty to prosecute any crimes), yet you all went and still voted for them...
Party before Country..:dance:
retiredman
11-20-2008, 09:22 AM
What could possibly be their motive?
justice, perhaps?
justice, perhaps?
For what? Ignoring the border? Kissing Fox's ass? Working for amnesty? Secretly building the Mexico, America, Canada highway? What? What are hispanics mad at Bush for? For Christ sake, the Bush administration has been the hispanics pasty his entire political career. Not only is this a witch hunt, but it's also a classic case of biting the hand that feeds you.
retiredman
11-20-2008, 12:50 PM
For what? Ignoring the border? Kissing Fox's ass? Working for amnesty? Secretly building the Mexico, America, Canada highway? What? What are hispanics mad at Bush for? For Christ sake, the Bush administration has been the hispanics pasty his entire political career. Not only is this a witch hunt, but it's also a classic case of biting the hand that feeds you.
my post did not suggest that hispanics were mad at Bush for anything. I have no idea where you would get that from.
avatar4321
11-20-2008, 01:31 PM
the libs and Democrats talk about ALL THESE CRIMES, yet they have never once PROVEN one..
and the Democrats in Congress let them get away with ALL THESE CRIMES,(because you know it's their sworn duty to prosecute any crimes), yet you all went and still voted for them...
Party before Country..:dance:
It would be nice if they accused them of an actual crime. But hey. Let them continue to yell how they are guilty of some mystical crime no one can identify and prove. They just look stupid.
avatar4321
11-20-2008, 01:32 PM
justice, perhaps?
What would a lib, or a prosecutor, know about justice?
hjmick
11-20-2008, 01:44 PM
Even John Stewart thought this indictment was ridiculous. That should tell you something.
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my post did not suggest that hispanics were mad at Bush for anything. I have no idea where you would get that from.
The thread is about Dick Cheney, who is the Vice President, who is part of the Bush administration, who is the subject of a witch hunt by hispanics. You do need things explained to you two and three times don't you.
red states rule
11-20-2008, 08:43 PM
Couldn't happen to nicer guys. As Al Capone was finally found guilty of tax evasion rather than racketeering and murder, it'll be their crimes outside of office that will bring down Bush and members of his administration.
A few facts here BP (and for the other Cheney haters)
This DA was DEFEATED in the election and will be out of office soon
The Da is saying VP Cheney has investments in a mutal fund that has investments in a Federal prison where an inmate died
Another liberal loon being cheared on by other liberal loons
retiredman
11-20-2008, 10:32 PM
What would a lib, or a prosecutor, know about justice?
as much as you do, if not more.
retiredman
11-20-2008, 10:37 PM
A hispanic, from Texas, going after the Bush administration? What could possibly be their motive, since Bush has been the lap dog of Mexico his entire political career?
justice, perhaps?
For what? Ignoring the border? Kissing Fox's ass? Working for amnesty? Secretly building the Mexico, America, Canada highway? What? What are hispanics mad at Bush for? For Christ sake, the Bush administration has been the hispanics pasty his entire political career. Not only is this a witch hunt, but it's also a classic case of biting the hand that feeds you.
my post did not suggest that hispanics were mad at Bush for anything. I have no idea where you would get that from.
The thread is about Dick Cheney, who is the Vice President, who is part of the Bush administration, who is the subject of a witch hunt by hispanics. You do need things explained to you two and three times don't you.
can you follow a fucking conversation, or is your brain burned out by fryolator fumes? I do not think that hispanics are mad at Cheney or Bush...I think this particular District Attorney is pursuing justice. YOu DO know what that means, don't you moron???
avatar4321
11-20-2008, 11:23 PM
A few facts here BP (and for the other Cheney haters)
This DA was DEFEATED in the election and will be out of office soon
The Da is saying VP Cheney has investments in a mutal fund that has investments in a Federal prison where an inmate died
Another liberal loon being cheared on by other liberal loons
Actually, he has investments in a mutual fund that has investments in a company that owns a federal prison where an inmate died.
My biggest question is did this inmate death happen in the county in question? If not, then where the hell does this guy think he is getting jurisdiction? I dont care if he is out of office. The guy needs to be disbarred, and thrown in prison for abuse of power.
avatar4321
11-20-2008, 11:24 PM
can you follow a fucking conversation, or is your brain burned out by fryolator fumes? I do not think that hispanics are mad at Cheney or Bush...I think this particular District Attorney is pursuing justice. YOu DO know what that means, don't you moron???
If you think this is justice then you are seriously screwed up.
retiredman
11-20-2008, 11:43 PM
If you think this is justice then you are seriously screwed up.
I don't know whether it is or not. I would suggest we let the courts decide... I suggest we let a jury of their peers decide, or does that scare you?
red states rule
11-21-2008, 08:22 AM
I don't know whether it is or not. I would suggest we let the courts decide... I suggest we let a jury of their peers decide, or does that scare you?
This lame case will be tossed out - like the liberal wacko DA was by the voters
retiredman
11-21-2008, 10:02 AM
This lame case will be tossed out - like the liberal wacko DA was by the voters
that is your opinion. are you trying to pass it off as fact yet again?
avatar4321
11-21-2008, 11:07 AM
I don't know whether it is or not. I would suggest we let the courts decide... I suggest we let a jury of their peers decide, or does that scare you?
Why would it scare me? You are suggesting that the Vice President should be thrown in jail because he has money in a mutual fund that invests in a company that runs a federal prison where a guy happened to die. If you honestly think that this is justice or that a jury could honestly find him guilty, especially when its unlikely this county has any jurisdiction over a crime, then you are a freaking idiot.
red states rule
11-21-2008, 12:03 PM
that is your opinion. are you trying to pass it off as fact yet again?
Not opinion. The DA was defeated in the election - and if he indicted VP Cheney he should have indicted anyone who owned shares in the fund
The case will be tossed out Virgil. Another example of a liberal wack job over reaching. Much like in DC these days
No1tovote4
11-21-2008, 01:55 PM
This is probably the same Grand Jury that indicted DeLay. Which county is this in?
No1tovote4
11-21-2008, 01:57 PM
nah, it isn't the same one, this was in Willacy County, Delay's was in Travis.
Why would it scare me? You are suggesting that the Vice President should be thrown in jail because he has money in a mutual fund that invests in a company that runs a federal prison where a guy happened to die. If you honestly think that this is justice or that a jury could honestly find him guilty, especially when its unlikely this county has any jurisdiction over a crime, then you are a freaking idiot.
don't the pres and vp have to have blind trusts/mut funds for conflict of interest?
hjmick
11-21-2008, 02:34 PM
Sounds as though someone may be a tad unstable...
Prosecutor who had Cheney indicted yells at judge
Nov 21 03:21 PM US/Eastern
By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN
Associated Press Writer
RAYMONDVILLE, Texas (AP) - A county prosecutor who brought indictments this week against Vice President Dick Cheney and others pounded his fist and shouted at the judge Friday during a routine hearing.
Willacy County District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra asked Presiding Judge Manuel Banales to recuse himself from the case, which alleges abuse at federally run prisons...
Guerra lost his bid for re-election in the March primary and will leave office in January. He had been indicted in last year on charges he extorted money from a bail bond company and used his office for personal business, but the charges were dismissed last month...
Banales called a recess to contact the chief justice of the state Supreme Court for suggestions on how to proceed, and ordered Guerra, who had slipped out once during the hearing, to remain in the courthouse.
Guerra first said "I will not obey that order," but then agreed to stay if the judge asked him respectfully...
Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales were indicted in connection with privately run federal detention centers in Willacy. In particular, it alleges that Cheney's personal investment in the Vanguard Group, which invests in private prison companies, gives him culpability in alleged prisoner abuse.
Guerra also indicted judges and special prosecutors who played a role in the investigation of him.
T. Gerald Treece, a constitutional law specialist and professor at the South Texas College of Law in Houston, this week questioned Guerra's jurisdiction.
"You can't have district attorneys across the country bringing charges against federal officials," Treece said. And even in a federal probe, Cheney and Gonzales have a "qualified privilege" that would protect them so long as they were acting within their jobs, Treece said.
Complete story... (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94JGMH00&show_article=1)
Oh yeah, this is going to go far...
avatar4321
11-21-2008, 02:55 PM
don't the pres and vp have to have blind trusts/mut funds for conflict of interest?
I believe they do.
gabosaurus
11-21-2008, 04:11 PM
The case has totally turned into a circus now.
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/willacy_92038___article.html/county_way.html
red states rule
11-21-2008, 04:12 PM
The case has totally turned into a circus now.
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/willacy_92038___article.html/county_way.html
Sounds OK. The DA is a clown and the case is a sideshow
I believe they do.
if so, an even further step from reality for the prosecutor to try and tie cheney into this.
avatar4321
11-21-2008, 04:56 PM
if so, an even further step from reality for the prosecutor to try and tie cheney into this.
Everyone knows this and yet we still have people who are trying to claim with a straight face that this is "justice".
Kathianne
12-02-2008, 01:21 AM
How off the mark?
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=6371489
Indictments Against Cheney, Gonzales Dismissed
Judge in south Texas dismisses indictments against Cheney, Gonzales, other officials
By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN
The Associated Press
RAYMONDVILLE, Texas
A judge dismissed indictments against Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Monday and told the south Texas prosecutor who brought the case to exercise caution as his term in office ends.
Willacy County District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra had accused Cheney and the other defendants of responsibility for prisoner abuse. The judge's order ended two weeks of sometimes-bizarre court proceedings.
Guerra is leaving office at the end of the month after soundly losing in his March primary election.
"I suggest on behalf of the law that you not present any cases to the grand jury involving these defendants," Administrative Judge Manuel Banales said in court while ruling that eight indictments against Cheney, Gonzales and others were invalid.
He also set a Dec. 10 hearing on whether to disqualify Guerra from those cases.
Even in thorough defeat, Guerra saw the outcome as confirmation of the very conspiracy he had pursued. "I expected it," he said. "The system is going to protect itself."...
avatar4321
12-02-2008, 02:15 AM
How off the mark?
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=6371489
And to think, he was an elected official.
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