View Full Version : 2008 War On Christmas Has Begun
red states rule
11-26-2008, 07:15 PM
As usual, the annual war on Christmas has started - and it sems more andmore people are getting fed up with Christmas being attacked year after year
New York Christmas Boat Parade Changes Name, Loses Fans
Monday, November 24, 2008
PATCHOGUE, N.Y. — An annual parade of boats on a Long Island river that dropped "Christmas" from its name has apparently lost lots of supporters.
About 1,000 people showed up Sunday for the Patchogue Boat Parade of Lights. That's 500 fewer than usually showed up when it was called the Patchogue Christmas Boat Parade.
Brookhaven-based fireworks company Fireworks by Grucci dropped its sponsorship after the Greater Patchogue Foundation removed "Christmas" from the parade's name. The change was made after some residents complained the name wasn't inclusive enough.
Grucci vice president Philip Butler opposes the secularization of Christmas. His supporters encouraged area residents to stay away from the parade on Patchogue River.
Organizers say the parade still was a success.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,456585,00.html
red states rule
11-26-2008, 07:29 PM
and this from liberal academia
SW Fla. college bans holiday decorations
THE NEWS-PRESS OF FORT MYERS • November 25, 2008
FORT MYERS — Christmas is just a month away, but Santa Claus won't be stopping by Florida Gulf Coast University this holiday, FLORIDA TODAY news partner The News-Press of Fort Myers reports.
He's not allowed on campus.
FGCU administration has banned all holiday decorations from common spaces on campus and canceled a popular greeting card design contest, which is being replaced by an ugly sweater competition. In Griffin Hall, the university's giving tree for needy preschoolers has been transformed into a "giving garden."
The moves boil down to political correctness.
"Public institutions, including FGCU, often struggle with how best to observe the season in ways that honor and respect all traditions," President Wilson Bradshaw wrote in a memo to faculty and staff Thursday. "This is a challenging issue each year at FGCU, and 2008 is no exception. While it may appear at times that a vocal majority of opinion is the only view that is held, this is not always the case."
Bradshaw's directive struck a chord with FGCU employees. The Staff Advisory Council received 44 anonymous comments on the issue; all were against the ban on holiday decorations.
"It says people are very passionate about this," said council president Ruth Rodrigues, who also is director of auxiliary services. "The holidays are a joyous time, and they want to express themselves."
The council voted Monday to send administration a letter outlining employees' comments.
In Bradshaw's memo, he said the decision was not an "attempt to suppress expression of the holiday spirit." Staffers will be permitted to display holiday decorations on their desks, but not on their office doors or in common spaces. Traditional workplace Christmas parties are not an issue at FGCU.
"We don't generally have Christmas parties here," said Audrea Anderson, associate vice president for community relations and marketing. "There are end-of-the-semester parties or end-of-the-calendar-year parties. They are certainly not related to anyone's beliefs."
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081125/BREAKINGNEWS/81125012/1086
I'm not religious, and we celebrate Christmas...not as a religious holiday, though. I always thought we as a society were well-equipped to deal with the diverse, changing, and separate meanings of the holiday, and the holidays surrounding it. Why is Christmas so offensive? If anything, it's a cultural tradition. An American one...idk, sometimes political correctness can go way too far. It's not like the church down the street is coming into my house and telling me my version of Christmas is evil, lol...
red states rule
11-26-2008, 08:06 PM
I'm not religious, and we celebrate Christmas...not as a religious holiday, though. I always thought we as a society were well-equipped to deal with the diverse, changing, and separate meanings of the holiday, and the holidays surrounding it. Why is Christmas so offensive? If anything, it's a cultural tradition. An American one...idk, sometimes political correctness can go way too far. It's not like the church down the street is coming into my house and telling me my version of Christmas is evil, lol...
Every year, the offended left strikes out at the holiday, and tries to impose their views on society
Every year, the offended left strikes out at the holiday, and tries to impose their views on society
Hm, thats funny, I don't think real liberals would really care what other people choose to do with their "holiday time".
red states rule
11-26-2008, 08:24 PM
Hm, thats funny, I don't think real liberals would really care what other people choose to do with their "holiday time".
Then why every year do liberals attack the holiday and want to remove the word "Christmas" from Christmas?
Kathianne
11-26-2008, 08:30 PM
Hm, thats funny, I don't think real liberals would really care what other people choose to do with their "holiday time".
Agreed. So there must be many of 'non real' liberals? For there are more and more attacks each year.
red states rule
11-26-2008, 08:36 PM
To the left, there is only one group responsible...
Christians Ruining Christmas for Everyone
The folks here at Seattle Hemp Products are all in a titter over the holidays. There will be no tittering in my cubicle this year, though. As chairman of the company's morale committee, I've been charged with the dreaded task of planning an office "holiday party" that is both festive, and inclusive of all people of all faiths.
Except Christians. In past years, we've had problems with Christian extremists going nuts and wishing people a "Merry Christmas" despite being strictly warned not to, so we decided to exclude them entirely from this year's event. I had a cunning and quite hilarious plan to issue bogus invitations with phony dates and locations to any suspected Christian employees, but CEO Tony "Sherm" Sherman nixed it. Too risky, he said. Some clever Jesus freak might get wise to the scheme and crash the party. They might start singing "Christmas Carols" or mention Christ - a clear violation of the Separation of Church and State. So we all agreed it would be best to simply fire the Christians rather than risk them ruining anybody's Christmas.
I put human resources diva Christina Draper in charge of refreshments, provided she change her first name to something less offensive. Teena suggested we go potluck, but that never works because everyone always brings corn chips and twinkies. A few bad apples might even bring religiously-themed food, such as christmas tree cookies or egg nog, and then all hell would break loose. So after weighing the risks and costs, I decided to scrap the food this year. If anyone is hungry, there's a Denny's right across the street.
Entertainment posed another problem. We hired a lounge singer one year, but he freaked out in the middle of Bob Seger's "Hollywood Nights" and spontaneously segued into "O Holy Night". Several non-Christian employees were seriously offended before we were able to tackle the bastard to the ground and toss him out of the building. So no entertainment, either. Thanks, biblethumpers, for sucking even more joy out of the hoilidays!
Gone also is the traditional, yet highly offensive, arrival of Santa Claus and gift exchange portion of the evening. I can't begin to list all the religious connotations regarding jolly ol' "Saint Nick". So instead of Santa arriving on his "sleigh" and passing out presents to all the employees' children, I thought it would be neat to have a homeless person stagger in, lay a guilt trip on everybody, and then pass out. The boss put a kibosh on that one as well, unfortunately. What if the bum turned out to be a Christian? In his drunkeness, he might start proselytzing to the kiddies. They might get weird ideas into their heads. They might start voting Republican and beating up gays. So with heavy heart, we agreed to ban children from the party altogether for their own safety.
Lastly, and most importantly, was what to name the event. "Christmas Party" was out of the question for obvious reasons. "Holiday Party" implied that there was a holiday to celebrate, which pointed a gnarled finger right back at Christmas. So after much deliberation, we all agreed on "Mandatory Staff Meeting". It's simple, politically correct, and has the ACLU's seal of approval.
http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2004/12/christians_ruin.html
avatar4321
11-26-2008, 08:46 PM
Hm, thats funny, I don't think real liberals would really care what other people choose to do with their "holiday time".
Thats because they are really socialist totaliterians.
red states rule
11-26-2008, 08:48 PM
Thats because they are really socialist totaliterians.
and because they hate America and everything it stands for, except of course the Office of the President Elect, that is sacred.
and because they hate America and everything it stands for, except of course the Office of the President Elect, that is sacred.
I'm sorry, I just don't buy any of what you are saying. I'm liberal. A lot of my views match pretty closely some conservative views, but I identify with the more liberal side. Most of the people I know with the same attitude concerning politics, ect as me don't really care what other people do to celebrate whatever holiday they want to celebrate. In fact, I know quite a few "liberals" who try to teach their children about holiday traditions other than their own.
I don't think taking political correctness too far is a liberal trait. Just like I don't think the whole "global warming" issue is a liberal trait, either. I think the same exact types of people are behind the scenes, inwardly enjoying the fact that there is some sort of war between two groups of people who, in reality, want the same basic things. Just like the people who pollute the enviroment and try to sell carbon credits to "save it" are the exact same people with different public faces, the people who try to push their religious beliefs on others and the ones who try to do away with Christmas are the exact same people. If you take out the details and look at the big picture, things aren't so black and white. Most people just want to enjoy their lives and be left alone. Some people want to make money off the rest of us any way they can, and THOSE people are the ones ruining everything. They aren't liberal, and they aren't conservative, although they may try to get people on opposite ends of the spectrum to buy into their b.s. sometimes. They are the same people. The so-called "fake" conservatives and "fake" liberals.
Abbey Marie
11-27-2008, 07:54 AM
Go here: http://www.wmamc.com/ and buy a button or magnetic bumper sticker that says, "It's OK to Wish Me a Merry Christmas". Mine will be on my car all of December.
Joe Steel
11-27-2008, 10:23 AM
We demand the Solstice be returned.
Winter Solstice has been celebrated in cultures the world over for thousands of years. This start of the solar year is a celebration of Light and the rebirth of the Sun. In old Europe, it was known as Yule, from the Norse, Jul, meaning wheel.
Today, many people in Western-based cultures refer to this holiday as "Christmas." Yet a look into its origins of Christmas reveals its Pagan roots. Emperor Aurelian established December 25 as the birthday of the "Invincible Sun" in the third century as part of the Roman Winter Solstice celebrations. Shortly thereafter, in 273, the Christian church selected this day to represent the birthday of Jesus, and by 336, this Roman solar feast day was Christianized. January 6, celebrated as Epiphany in Christendom and linked with the visit of the Magi, was originally an Egyptian date for the Winter Solstice.
Most of the customs, lore, symbols, and rituals associated with "Christmas" actually are linked to Winter Solstice celebrations of ancient Pagan cultures. While Christian mythology is interwoven with contemporary observances of this holiday time, its Pagan nature is still strong and apparent. Pagans today can readily re-Paganize Christmastime and the secular New Year by giving a Pagan spiritual focus to existing holiday customs and by creating new traditions that draw on ancient ways. Here are some ways to do this:
Celebrating Winter Solstice (http://www.circlesanctuary.org/pholidays/SolsticeArticle.html)
5stringJeff
11-27-2008, 11:17 AM
We demand the Solstice be returned.
Celebrate the Solstice if you want. Nothing's stopping you. In fact, you could even wish people a happy solstice. That's the beauty of freedom of religion - no one can tell you what to believe!!
avatar4321
11-27-2008, 12:02 PM
We demand the Solstice be returned.
Was the Solstice stolen? Last time i checked, it's the same day it is every year
retiredman
11-27-2008, 12:32 PM
Every year, the offended left strikes out at the holiday, and tries to impose their views on society
I am on the left and I am certainly not offended by Christmas. It is celebrated in my home and at my church, and, on the night that we go carolling, it is celebrated in my neighborhood.
Joe Steel
11-28-2008, 06:37 AM
Was the Solstice stolen? Last time i checked, it's the same day it is every year
As a matter of fact, it's not the same day and yes, it has been stolen. The early Christians took solstice celebrations from the pagans and used them for Christmas. I think it was because the pagans were having more fun.
Joe Steel
11-28-2008, 06:41 AM
I am on the left and I am certainly not offended by Christmas. It is celebrated in my home and at my church, and, on the night that we go carolling, it is celebrated in my neighborhood.
I think we would be well-served by a new custom. Let everyone celebrate the winter solstice and a religious holiday of their choosing. That way non-christians could experience the holiday season without feeling like they're betraying their religious beliefs.
meh, I'm a liberal and couldn't give a flying donkey about who wants to celebrate what and when, again it's just a case of 'every side has it's nut jobs' but ofcourse just because some people have a problem with Christmas who re liberal it means all liberals are anti-Christmas, right?
5stringJeff
11-28-2008, 11:33 AM
I think we would be well-served by a new custom. Let everyone celebrate the winter solstice and a religious holiday of their choosing. That way non-christians could experience the holiday season without feeling like they're betraying their religious beliefs.
Everyone is already able to do that if they wish.
avatar4321
11-28-2008, 12:46 PM
I think we would be well-served by a new custom. Let everyone celebrate the winter solstice and a religious holiday of their choosing. That way non-christians could experience the holiday season without feeling like they're betraying their religious beliefs.
No one is prohibited from doing so.
You really are a tough person to get through to.
Joe Steel
11-28-2008, 06:11 PM
Everyone is already able to do that if they wish.
Not really. Christians have appropriated the solstice, misappropriated it really. All the thing once associated with it are now considered the trappings of Christmas.
Mr. P
11-28-2008, 06:17 PM
Not really. Christians have appropriated the solstice, misappropriated it really. All the thing once associated with it are now considered the trappings of Christmas.
Oh go bark at the moon if ya like..no one will stop you..unless yer disturbing the peace.
Not really. Christians have appropriated the solstice, misappropriated it really. All the thing once associated with it are now considered the trappings of Christmas.
So? Celebrate the holiday season however you wish, we do. No one is coming into your home and requesting you celebrate anything the way society insists you do- you don't have to listen to it. It's all about commercialism, anyway. The reason certain things stuck is because they are another thing to sell.
So? Celebrate the holiday season however you wish, we do. No one is coming into your home and requesting you celebrate anything the way society insists you do- you don't have to listen to it. It's all about commercialism, anyway. The reason certain things stuck is because they are another thing to sell.
bullcowpie. there are those that celebrate it for what they believe it to be, a remembrance of christ's birth. so it is not "all" about....
it probably mostly about, but not all about.
Not really. Christians have appropriated the solstice, misappropriated it really. All the thing once associated with it are now considered the trappings of Christmas.
hmmm....might be part truth, might be part myth. you can't prove either. so you either believe your "myth" or some other "myth"..... christmas, regardless of origin, is to most about the remembrance of christ. i don't agree that the day itself is special and folks like mfm call me a heathen, that is their problem, but if folks want to remember, what is it to you?
what day is the most important day to remember?
manu1959
11-28-2008, 09:33 PM
Not really. Christians have appropriated the solstice, misappropriated it really. All the thing once associated with it are now considered the trappings of Christmas.
fags and treehuggers have misappropriated the rainbow......
Mr. P
11-28-2008, 09:36 PM
hmmm....might be part truth, might be part myth. you can't prove either. so you either believe your "myth" or some other "myth"..... christmas, regardless of origin, is to most about the remembrance of christ. i don't agree that the day itself is special and folks like mfm call me a heathen, that is their problem, but if folks want to remember, what is it to you?
what day is the most important day to remember?
Why JS would say Mayday of course!
Kathianne
11-28-2008, 09:36 PM
fags and treehuggers have misappropriated the rainbow......
Not to mention the word, 'gay.'
manu1959
11-28-2008, 09:41 PM
Not to mention the word, 'gay.'
smoking a fag has a whole new meaning now.....
Kathianne
11-28-2008, 09:51 PM
smoking a fag has a whole new meaning now.....
That's true too. I remember 'fags' being cigs in the 70's. ;) We're getting old!
5stringJeff
11-29-2008, 09:05 AM
Not really. Christians have appropriated the solstice, misappropriated it really. All the thing once associated with it are now considered the trappings of Christmas.
Have Christians come into your house and physically stopped you from celebrating the solstice? If so, you might have a point. If not, then you have nothing to complain about.
smoking a fag has a whole new meaning now.....
Douse 'em with gas and throw 'em a road flare? :dunno: :laugh2:
retiredman
11-30-2008, 10:05 PM
Douse 'em with gas and throw 'em a road flare? :dunno: :laugh2:
and you try to take the moral high ground with me?
GMAFB
Mr. P
11-30-2008, 11:21 PM
and you try to take the moral high ground with me?
GMAFB
Non issue, I doubt you have any moral high ground. You've pretty much proven that all by yerself.
retiredman
11-30-2008, 11:32 PM
Non issue, I doubt you have any moral high ground. You've pretty much proven that all by yerself.
gosh, Mr. Pee.... I am sorry you feel that way.:lol:
The ClayTaurus
12-01-2008, 12:01 AM
Douse 'em with gas and throw 'em a road flare? :dunno: :laugh2:Is that legitimately funny to you?
red states rule
12-01-2008, 07:20 AM
and you try to take the moral high ground with me?
GMAFB
Your moral high ground is well below sea level
retiredman
12-01-2008, 07:43 AM
Your moral high ground is well below sea level
you avoid the point.... typical.
red states rule
12-01-2008, 07:48 AM
you avoid the point.... typical.
It is the pont. You taking about your moral high ground is like John Gotti talking about his positive contributions to society
retiredman
12-01-2008, 07:55 AM
It is the pont. You taking about your moral high ground is like John Gotti talking about his positive contributions to society
you avoided the point and continue to do so. typical.
red states rule
12-01-2008, 08:29 AM
you avoided the point and continue to do so. typical.
I was addressing your moral high ground. It was a very short post since there is not alot to comment about
retiredman
12-01-2008, 08:33 AM
I was addressing your moral high ground. It was a very short post since there is not alot to comment about
yet you hypocritically failed to comment on the lack of morality exhibited by hull, which was the point.
If you feel compelled to comment on MY morals, start yet another thread about it...I am sure that you and your sycophants can blather on about it for hours to your mutual delight
red states rule
12-01-2008, 08:50 AM
yet you hypocritically failed to comment on the lack of morality exhibited by hull, which was the point.
If you feel compelled to comment on MY morals, start yet another thread about it...I am sure that you and your sycophants can blather on about it for hours to your mutual delight
I did not care fo his comment
At least Hull did not say he was going to piss on their graves or tell them he would meet up with them next Tues :laugh2:
Again for you you comment on anyone elses morals is laughable
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