View Full Version : A final blaze of malicious incompetence.
As a consequence of his foreign policy misadventures, Bush
leaves the Middle East in flames and America's reputation
in tatters. Yet, one thing has remained constant for the
aloof president: deference to an Israeli "show of
strength" rather than diplomacy. Only a year ago, Bush
hosted the Annapolis conference that "relaunched" the
"peace process" and then predictably stood by as it
stalled out. Unable to launch a war against Iran, capture
Osama bin Laden, pacify Afghanistan or Iraq, or broker a
Palestinian-Israeli peace, rather than ride into the
sunset in the waning days of his presidency, Bush is
determined to leave in a final blaze of malicious
incompetence. As it has been so often over the past eight
years, the site of his enmity is Gaza.
Osamah Khalil
comments for The Electronic Intifada.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10066.shtml
I was unsure whether my substantive opinion regarding Guantanamo George , as echoed by Electronic Intifada, belonged in this forum or 'International'. As the majority of Americans despise him, and the rest of the world almost unanimously, I thought that I'd be less likely to be preaching to the converted in this one.
The Middle East is a wreck. There is fresh slaughter in Gaza, ongoing slaughter in Iraq , another unwinnable war in Afghanistan and economic collapse across the country. Why will Bush be allowed to walk away with impunity ? What mechanisms exist to take such a wastrel to task and exact retribution on behalf of a betrayed country ? It seems absurd that such damage goes unpunished and that the spotlight falls from the culprit in January.
Mr. P
12-29-2008, 04:38 PM
I was unsure whether my substantive opinion regarding Guantanamo George , as echoed by Electronic Intifada, belonged in this forum or 'International'. As the majority of Americans despise him, and the rest of the world almost unanimously, I thought that I'd be less likely to be preaching to the converted in this one.
The Middle East is a wreck. There is fresh slaughter in Gaza, ongoing slaughter in Iraq , another unwinnable war in Afghanistan and economic collapse across the country. Why will Bush be allowed to walk away with impunity ? What mechanisms exist to take such a wastrel to task and exact retribution on behalf of a betrayed country ? It seems absurd that such damage goes unpunished and that the spotlight falls from the culprit in January.
Have I told you today...YOU'RE an IDIOT..
Kathianne
12-29-2008, 04:39 PM
Have I told you today...YOU'RE an IDIOT..
Damn, that leaves me with nothing to say and no ability to rep.
Mr. P
12-29-2008, 04:56 PM
Damn, that leaves me with nothing to say and no ability to rep.
Someone had to do it..gonna be my standard for this one. It ain't worth the effort to type more to it.
manu1959
12-29-2008, 05:08 PM
Have I told you today...YOU'RE an IDIOT..
i have spoken with several idiots....they are rather upset that you lump them in with moon......
Mr. P
12-29-2008, 05:31 PM
i have spoken with several idiots....they are rather upset that you lump them in with moon......
Forward my apologies please..Explain the "moon" stands alone as an IDIOT and even with its "moonbeam" doesn't reflect on them.
darin
12-29-2008, 05:51 PM
Took care of it, Kath! :)
:beers:
5stringJeff
12-29-2008, 07:23 PM
I was unsure whether my substantive opinion regarding Guantanamo George , as echoed by Electronic Intifada, belonged in this forum or 'International'. As the majority of Americans despise him, and the rest of the world almost unanimously, I thought that I'd be less likely to be preaching to the converted in this one.
The Middle East is a wreck. There is fresh slaughter in Gaza, ongoing slaughter in Iraq , another unwinnable war in Afghanistan and economic collapse across the country. Why will Bush be allowed to walk away with impunity ? What mechanisms exist to take such a wastrel to task and exact retribution on behalf of a betrayed country ? It seems absurd that such damage goes unpunished and that the spotlight falls from the culprit in January.
If Hamas hadn't been busy launching rockets into Israel from Gaza, would there be "fresh slaughter" in Gaza today?
Did Bush launch the attack? How is this his fault? Did he draw the current boundary lines?
Kathianne
12-29-2008, 07:31 PM
If Hamas hadn't been busy launching rockets into Israel from Gaza, would there be "fresh slaughter" in Gaza today?
Did Bush launch the attack? How is this his fault? Did he draw the current boundary lines?
Bingo! Would rep if I could.
emmett
12-29-2008, 07:37 PM
If Hamas hadn't been busy launching rockets into Israel from Gaza, would there be "fresh slaughter" in Gaza today?
Did Bush launch the attack? How is this his fault? Did he draw the current boundary lines?
Of Jeff, you don't get it do you? Of course it was GW's fault. So was WW2, The Civil War, Hurricane Kat and the unsightly new wrappers on Reese's Peanut Butter cups!
I can't wait to see how long the Dems can hold out blaming GW for every single thing that goes wrong under the "New Deal" administration. Given the homo's impatience at his selecting Rick Warren, and all the other potential things that will be going wrong, like poverty still being around and the like, I don't think it will take long.
Hey Moonbeam, have you noticed that the United States is the largest country in the world that has not been attacked since 9/11. Let's see, who should we credit for that....... ah..... Ted Kennedy? Maybe the terrorists are afraid if they are caught here they will have to ride to the police station in his car!
stephanie
12-29-2008, 07:39 PM
like the middle east has ever been anything but in tatters
they live in a century of past, they treat their women worse than their animals, they cut off people heads while they video tape it, they teach their children to hate as soon as their born...
but that is all George Bush's fault...:rolleyes:
If Hamas hadn't been busy launching rockets into Israel from Gaza, would there be "fresh slaughter" in Gaza today?
Did Bush launch the attack? How is this his fault? Did he draw the current boundary lines?
bush lives...ergo, all is his fault...he is the democrat boogeyman...never mind that osama guy
avatar4321
12-29-2008, 09:47 PM
US reputation with whom? Why are you more concerned about rep then what you actually do?
Two more representative governments in the middle east... doesnt look that bad.
There isn't one post here that has an iota of intelligence expected of an American political board. The frenzied extremism of the worst of the American Right is personified right here. You're simply a disgrace to free speech.
I was out of focus. You kapos aren't the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society at all. You're the DP New Klan.
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/dogs2.jpg
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=8560
Joe Steel
12-30-2008, 08:09 AM
Why will Bush be allowed to walk away with impunity? What mechanisms exist to take such a wastrel to task and exact retribution on behalf of a betrayed country ? It seems absurd that such damage goes unpunished and that the spotlight falls from the culprit in January.
Politics have protected Bush. Congressional Democrats were afraid to lay Bush crimes at his feet because they thought it would hurt them at the ballot box. I expect the Obama Administration will join them in giving Bush and his cronies a pass. Bush very well may get away with his crimes.
There is hope, though:
The United States, like many countries, has a bad habit of committing wartime excesses and an even worse record of accounting for them afterward. But a remarkable string of recent events suggests that may finally be changing—and that top Bush administration officials could soon face legal jeopardy for prisoner abuse committed under their watch in the war on terror.
In early December, in a highly unusual move, a federal court in New York agreed to rehear a lawsuit against former Attorney General John Ashcroft brought by a Canadian citizen, Maher Arar. (Arar was a victim of the administration's extraordinary rendition program: he was seized by U.S. officials in 2002 while in transit through Kennedy Airport and deported to Syria, where he was tortured.) Then, on Dec. 15, the Supreme Court revived a lawsuit against Donald Rumsfeld by four Guantánamo detainees alleging abuse there—a reminder that the court, unlike the White House, will extend Constitutional protections to foreigners at Gitmo. Finally, in the same week the Senate Armed Service Committee, led by Carl Levin and John McCain, released a blistering report specifically blaming key administration figures for prisoner mistreatment and interrogation techniques that broke the law. The bipartisan report reads like a brief for the prosecution—calling, for example, Rumsfeld's behavior a "direct cause" of abuse. Analysts say it gives a green light to prosecutors, and supplies them with political cover and factual ammunition. Administration officials, with a few exceptions, deny wrongdoing. Vice President Dick Cheney says there was nothing improper with U.S. interrogation techniques—"we don't do torture," he repeated in an ABC interview on Dec. 15. The government blamed the worst abuses, such as those at Abu Ghraib, on a few bad apples.
High-level charges, if they come, would be a first in U.S. history. "Traditionally we've caught some poor bastard down low and not gone up the chain," says Burt Neuborne, a constitutional expert and Supreme Court lawyer at NYU. Prosecutions may well be forestalled if Bush issues a blanket pardon in his final days, as Neuborne and many other experts now expect. (Some see Cheney's recent defiant-sounding admission of his own role in approving waterboarding as an attempt to force Bush's hand.)
The Noose Tightens:Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and other top Bush officials could soon face legal jeopardy. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/176044)
If Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, et al are prosecuted, maybe Bush and Cheney will be, too.
avatar4321
12-30-2008, 10:15 AM
Politics have protected Bush. Congressional Democrats were afraid to lay Bush crimes at his feet because they thought it would hurt them at the ballot box. I expect the Obama Administration will join them in giving Bush and his cronies a pass. Bush very well may get away with his crimes.
There is hope, though:
If Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, et al are prosecuted, maybe Bush and Cheney will be, too.
I understand that you are concerned about perpetrators in this administration getting away with their crimes. You simply have one problem with your fear. They actually have to commit crimes before they get away with them. Simply pronouncing them guilty is a bit absurd.
So you might want to see a dr about that paranoia.
Thank you for that information, joe steel, and for doing your share for free speech around here.
Every little helps.
As George W Bush prepares to leave the White House, at least one unpleasant episode from his unpopular presidency is threatening to follow him into retirement.
A $70m lawsuit filed by Dan Rather, the veteran former newsreader for CBS Evening News, against his old network is reopening the debate over alleged favourable treatment that Bush received when he served in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam war. Bush had hoped that this controversy had been dealt with once and for all during the 2004 election.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/28/dan-rather-cbs-lawsuit-bush
avatar4321
12-30-2008, 10:31 AM
Thank you for that information, joe steel, and for doing your share for free speech around here.
Every little helps.
You've got to be seriously joking. You are actually trying to argue that Dan Rather's use of knowingly forged documents is going to hurt the Bush legacy? Really?
What world are you living in?
Abbey Marie
12-30-2008, 10:32 AM
Took care of it, Kath! :)
:beers:
Me too!
Ah, the New Klan at work.
Forum Rules;
Reputation System - Should not be used as a means to harass someone.
Sticking it to the New Klan would be a pleasure.
Avatar4321;
You've got to be seriously joking. You are actually trying to argue that Dan Rather's use of knowingly forged documents is going to hurt the Bush legacy? Really?
Watch the case unfold. Guantanamo George will be lucky to get a security detail when it's done.
Abbey Marie
12-30-2008, 10:46 AM
Ah, the New Klan at work.
Sticking it to the New Klan would be a pleasure.
Giving someone positve rep is not harassment in the Christian or Jewish worlds of thought. Is it with Muslims? How illogical, yet unsurprising.
Abbey;
Giving someone positve rep is not harassment in the Christian or Jewish worlds of thought. Is it with Muslims? How illogical, yet unsurprising.
Forum Rules;
Reputation System - Should not be used as a means to harass someone.
A piece of cake to prove harassment. Keep your rep. trading private, as per the rules.
Rules;
Additionally, reputation comments should be treated as private, and therefore comments left should not be discussed on the board.
avatar4321
12-30-2008, 10:48 AM
Watch the case unfold. Guantanamo George will be lucky to get a security detail when it's done.
What the hell is there to unfold? We already know the documents were forged. There is no case. There is nothing to uncover. Dan Rather tried to lie and got caught doing it.
Abbey Marie
12-30-2008, 10:52 AM
Abbey;
A piece of cake to prove harassment. Keep your rep. trading private, as per the rules.
Except those aren't the rules, racist. Perhaps you'de like to go running to Jim with your thumb in your mouth?
The board anti-semite appears to have lots of feminine "sensitivity" issues.
avatar;
What the hell is there to unfold? We already know the documents were forged. There is no case. There is nothing to uncover. Dan Rather tried to lie and got caught doing it.
Looks like you may have been propagandized;
. Rather contends not only that his report was true - "What the documents stated has never been denied, by the president or anyone around him," he says - but that CBS succumbed to political pressure from conservatives to get the report discredited and to have him fired. He also claims that a panel set up by CBS to investigate the story was packed with conservatives in an effort to placate the White House. Part of the reason for that, he suggests, was that Viacom, a sister company of CBS, knew that it would have important broadcasting regulatory issues to deal with during Bush's second term.
Guantanamo George's moral paucity is merely a character reference in the light of his greater failings. Whatever legal avenues exist to translate his actions in office as criminal should be opened.
avatar4321
12-30-2008, 10:54 AM
avatar;
Looks like you may have been propagandized;
You can't propagandize the truth.
As I said, watch the case. You're on record as nailing your colors to George's bandwagon, we'll see.
stephanie
12-30-2008, 12:45 PM
Dan Blather is relying on that old saying............repeat a lie enough and hope people will buy it as truth..Liberals, Socialist and Communist rely on this tactic all the time...
Blather was caught red handed with spreading false doctored papers, he thought he would be a HERO, instead he was fired in disgrace, as he deserves...
of course that will never stop a commie from trying to rewrite history..
Joe Steel
12-30-2008, 01:18 PM
You've got to be seriously joking. You are actually trying to argue that Dan Rather's use of knowingly forged documents is going to hurt the Bush legacy? Really?
What world are you living in?
Maybe it's the world where no one ever proved the documents were forged because ever saw the original documents. That's the same world where no on claimed the documents were inaccurate.
You know, the world of reality.
manu1959
12-30-2008, 01:28 PM
Maybe it's the world where no one ever proved the documents were forged because ever saw the original documents. That's the same world where no on claimed the documents were inaccurate.
You know, the world of reality.
so cbs fired 4 people and allowed rather to resign because they were all telling the truth.......
manu1959;
so cbs fired 4 people and allowed rather to resign because they were all telling the truth.......
If the truth didn't suit the CBS agenda than that's what they would do, according to Rather's charges, soon to be heard. Stay tooned. Well, as tooned as you're able.
Joe Steel
12-30-2008, 01:44 PM
so cbs fired 4 people and allowed rather to resign because they were all telling the truth.......
Yes.
The AmeriCorporate media care more about profit than truth.
manu1959
12-30-2008, 01:47 PM
Yes.
The AmeriCorporate media care more about profit than truth.
so how did the lawsuits for wrongful termination against cbs turn out.....
Little-Acorn
12-30-2008, 01:48 PM
If Hamas hadn't been busy launching rockets into Israel from Gaza, would there be "fresh slaughter" in Gaza today?
Did Bush launch the attack? How is this his fault? Did he draw the current boundary lines?
Moonie isn't interested in those things. His goal, remember, is to create hatred of Israel so that when they are eventually annihilated, the Western world doesn't move to help them.
His attempts to tear down Israel hasn't met with much success here - people generally laugh at him, compare him to past Jew-haters, etc. So he's now apparently trying to tap into the Bush hatred that does exist here, hoping to translate it to Jew-hatred later. It worked in the 1930s, after all.
So don't bother telling him the truth about what is going on over there right now. He isn't interested, and will keep ignoring things that don't help his agenda of tearing down Israel. And he'll soon get around to the usual insults and namecalling of people who don't cooperate with him (actually, looks like he's doing that already).
There isn't one post here that has an iota of intelligence expected of an American political board. You kapos aren't the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society at all. You're the DP New Klan.
(Yawn) this is all so predictable........ :lame2:
Joe Steel
12-30-2008, 01:50 PM
so how did the lawsuits for wrongful termination against cbs turn out.....
I have no idea.
Why?
manu1959
12-30-2008, 01:52 PM
I have no idea.
Why?
i figured you would know considering they were telling the truth and were fired for it......i am sure the aclu was all over this.....
manu;
so how did the lawsuits for wrongful termination against cbs turn out.....
Is that the best tooned you can get ? The case hasn't been heard yet.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/28/dan-rather-cbs-lawsuit-bush
Joe Steel
12-30-2008, 01:58 PM
i figured you would know considering they were telling the truth and were fired for it......i am sure the aclu was all over this.....
Telling the truth would have no bearing on termination of an "at will" employee. If the employees had contracts, it might. I don't know what their situation was.
little-acorn;
(Yawn) this is all so predictable......
You seem to have felt the chill wind of reality, acorn. No hiding place for you though.
manu1959
12-30-2008, 02:02 PM
Telling the truth would have no bearing on termination of an "at will" employee. If the employees had contracts, it might. I don't know what their situation was.
are you sure ny is an at will state.....
manu1959
12-30-2008, 02:04 PM
manu;
Is that the best tooned you can get ? The case hasn't been heard yet.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/28/dan-rather-cbs-lawsuit-bush
rather wasn't fired he resigned and i was asking about the 4 employees that were fired.....
ah the guardian.....i knew you were a limey paki....follow fulham do you
manu1959;
ah the guardian.....i knew you were a limey paki....follow fulham do you
A limey paki ? Is that what you call a Pakistani in the UK ? Aren't they the backbone of your army and your cricket team ?
manu1959
12-30-2008, 02:16 PM
manu1959;
A limey paki ? Is that what you call a Pakistani in the UK ? Aren't they the backbone of your army and your cricket team ?
i think they may be the backbone of the servant industry.....
..and are you aspiring to rise to their level ?
Sitarro
12-30-2008, 02:17 PM
There isn't one post here that has an iota of intelligence expected of an American political board. The frenzied extremism of the worst of the American Right is personified right here. You're simply a disgrace to free speech.
I was out of focus. You kapos aren't the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society at all. You're the DP New Klan.
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/dogs2.jpg
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=8560
I feel for those dogs, how frustrating for them to smell the fear of a guilty piece of shit and not be able to tear him limb from limb. Let them free, dogs are better judges of character than humans and should be allowed to take that garbage out.
Sitarro;
I feel for those dogs
Nothing would surprise me.
avatar4321
12-30-2008, 02:38 PM
Sitarro;
Nothing would surprise me.
After the absurd places your mind takes you, that doesnt surprise me.
No kidding;
Sitarro;
Quote:I think youranus is a better fit.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=20507&page=2
Brazen hussy.
Joe Steel
12-30-2008, 03:06 PM
are you sure ny is an at will state.....
Yes (http://www.labor.state.ny.us/workerprotection/laborstandards/faq.shtm).
Q: Can an employee be fired without due cause?
A: Yes. New York State is an "employment-at-will," state. Without a contract restricting termination (such as a collective bargaining agreement) an employer has the right to discharge an employee at any time for any reason. This also protects the employee's right to resign. An employer may fire an employee for "no reason" - or even for a reason that might seem arbitrary and unfair -- and the employee is equally free to quit at any time without being required to explain or defend that decision.
manu1959
12-30-2008, 03:09 PM
Yes (http://www.labor.state.ny.us/workerprotection/laborstandards/faq.shtm).
news room jobs are union......covered by collective barganing agreements.....why do you think the 4 that were fired didn't file suit....
Joe Steel
12-30-2008, 03:25 PM
news room jobs are union......covered by collective barganing agreements.....why do you think the 4 that were fired didn't file suit....
What are the names and job titles?
What union?
manu1959
12-30-2008, 04:37 PM
What are the names and job titles?
What union?
google is your friend....why would they not sue for being fired for telling the truth......
Rather has committed a heap of cash . He must be very sure of his case. Guantanamo George is still keeping schtum over his service record. I'll back Rather on wishful thinking.
stephanie
12-30-2008, 05:01 PM
at least George Bush has a record to speak of...more than the community organizer, hip hop Chicago thug you all just elected...
anyone ever seen him try to salute...:eek:
namvet
12-30-2008, 05:07 PM
I was unsure whether my substantive opinion regarding Guantanamo George , as echoed by Electronic Intifada, belonged in this forum or 'International'. As the majority of Americans despise him, and the rest of the world almost unanimously, I thought that I'd be less likely to be preaching to the converted in this one.
The Middle East is a wreck. There is fresh slaughter in Gaza, ongoing slaughter in Iraq , another unwinnable war in Afghanistan and economic collapse across the country. Why will Bush be allowed to walk away with impunity ? What mechanisms exist to take such a wastrel to task and exact retribution on behalf of a betrayed country ? It seems absurd that such damage goes unpunished and that the spotlight falls from the culprit in January.
how many bones in a chicken neck moon????
namvet
12-30-2008, 05:08 PM
Sitarro;
Nothing would surprise me.
except us
5stringJeff
12-30-2008, 05:38 PM
There isn't one post here that has an iota of intelligence expected of an American political board. The frenzied extremism of the worst of the American Right is personified right here. You're simply a disgrace to free speech.
I was out of focus. You kapos aren't the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society at all. You're the DP New Klan.
You can't ignore questions by saying they're beneath your standards. So, I repeat:
If Hamas hadn't been busy launching rockets into Israel from Gaza, would there be "fresh slaughter" in Gaza today?
Did Bush launch the attack? How is this his fault? Did he draw the current boundary lines?
Joe Steel
12-30-2008, 06:15 PM
google is your friend....why would they not sue for being fired for telling the truth......
You don't know a thing about them, do you.
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