View Full Version : It never stops: Wash state statute grants citizens standing to challenge Obama birth
Little-Acorn
12-31-2008, 03:26 PM
(sigh) Well, it appears that a state law in Washington, gets past one of the problems people have had in suing Barack Obama to prove he is a natural-born citizen. Several courts have already stated that ordinary citizens can't sue him, since they have not been directly harmed by his not being eligible for the Presidency (if he's not).
But Washington apparently has a well-tested state law that says otherwise, at least for Washington state citizens.
It never stops, folks.....
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http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84966
Eligibility case finds 'standing'?
New suit claims unique state law enables citizens to demand proof
Posted: December 30, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
A new case challenging Barack Obama's natural-born citizenship and, therefore, constitutional eligibility to serve as president has the potential to clear a hurdle that caused several other similar cases' dismissal: the issue of "standing."
In the case brought by Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg, for example, a federal judge ruled against the lawsuit in deciding Berg lacked the "standing" to sue, arguing that the election of Obama wouldn't cause the plaintiff specific, personal injury.
In Washington state's Broe v. Reed case, however, plaintiff's attorney Stephen Pidgeon says a unique state statute grants everyday citizens the required standing.
"These lawsuits have pointed their fingers at the various secretaries of state and said, 'You handle the elections, it's your job [to verify Obama's eligibility],'" Stephen Pidgeon told WND, "and the secretaries of state have said, 'No, it's not our job. You the voter have to prove he was ineligible.' But when the voters try to do it, the courts tell them they have no standing. So it presents a catch-22.
"Here, we have standing by means of statute," Pidgeon continued. "This particular statute provides for any registered voter to challenge the election of a candidate if the candidate at the time of the election was ineligible to hold office."
Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 200,000 others and sign up now!
Further, Pidgeon explained, "In Washington we also have a constitutional clause in Article 1 that says the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of land, so it's very much a state issue that the secretary of state has a duty to enforce the U.S. Constitution.
"He doesn't think he does; we think he does. That's really the issue before the court," Pidgeon said.
Washington's secretary of state, Mr. Sam Reed, has opposed the lawsuit, brought by a group of 12 registered Washington voters with Pidgeon's representation, on several grounds, including the argument that the issue is moot now that Obama has been voted upon by the people.
Pidgeon argues, however, that even if Obama remains in office two years from now, the issue will not be moot.
"The Constitution's criteria for president are never moot," Pidgeon explained. "Article 2, Section 1 says 'eligible to the Office of President'; it doesn't say 'eligible for candidacy to the Office of President."
Therefore, Pidgeon argues, the Constitution's natural-born citizen clause specifically and expressly addresses the man sitting in the Oval Office, not just the main elected and waiting to get in.
"If, at any time during his tenure, a birth certificate actually surfaces showing [Obama] born in Kenya," Pidgeon said, "he is disqualified from the presidency at any time. And the constitutional crisis that is rising out of this – the longer he's in that office, the greater the problem becomes, because everything he does will be illegal."
The Washington Supreme Court is set to hear Broe v. Reed on Jan. 8, but the entire case may be delayed intentionally, as the plaintiffs wait to see if the court will rule first on a requested subpoena of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii.
good for them...imagine that...wanting to enforce the constitution...all they are asking is to have proof, nothing wrong with that...
crin63
12-31-2008, 09:14 PM
good for them...imagine that...wanting to enforce the constitution...all they are asking is to have proof, nothing wrong with that...
I concur, just get it done and behind us.
Mr. P
12-31-2008, 10:12 PM
I just don't get this no "standing" thing. Being that the Constitution clearly sets the qualifications, why wouldn't any U.S. citizen have "standing" ?
Psychoblues
01-01-2009, 06:57 AM
Tehehehehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!
Anything to keep the 'lil ones pissing down their legs and screaming, Mama,,,,,he cheated, and otherwise out of the business of the adults!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's all good with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:beer::cheers2::beer:
Psychoblues
I concur, just get it done and behind us.
exactly...obama posts up a copy of the original and this thing is dead in the water if it proves him a citizen and nothing else untoward...
I just don't get this no "standing" thing. Being that the Constitution clearly sets the qualifications, why wouldn't any U.S. citizen have "standing" ?
i don't either...i completely disagree with the courts so far on the standing issue
Kathianne
01-01-2009, 01:51 PM
I'll go along with the 'no standing' being weird. On the other hand, it seems he's released enough info, as has the state of Hawaii to convince the courts, seems to be the end of discussion. Seems we have enough problems to discuss for the next 4 years, at least.
Any white president ever faced a similar challenge ?
Kathianne
01-01-2009, 02:00 PM
Any white president ever faced a similar challenge ?
Yep, John McCain & Barry Goldwater, though never got as far, as they didn't get to this stage.
They're both candidates, but I take your point. Not necessarily a racist attack then.
Mr. P
01-01-2009, 02:03 PM
Any white president ever faced a similar challenge ?
McCain was challenged..He provided the documents.
Have I told you yet today "YOU'RE AND IDIOT"?
I'm thinking more like "MORON" honestly.
I do enjoy it when the DP intelligentsia turns out. What's your rank, kapo ?
Any white president ever faced a similar challenge ?
mccain...and he provided not only a copy of the original birth certificate but further medical documents to prove his birth entitled him to run for office...
obama - not a copy of the original, and thats it...it would take him as much time to produce a copy of the original as the electronic copy, but he is hiding something
Yurt;
but he is hiding something
Yeah, that will be the location of his spaceship and the original boots of the body he stole.
And McCain was never president, fortunately.
stephanie
01-01-2009, 02:24 PM
if he did come down in a spaceship..maybe they can beam him back to where he came from...they probably need him to save their planet...
http://www.hotmoviesale.com/dvds/2393/1/The-Brother-From-Another-Planet.jpg
bullypulpit
01-02-2009, 08:54 AM
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No One Wants To Be Defeated
Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight
It Doesn't Matter Who's Wrong Or Right
Just Beat It, Beat It
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Y'all just beat that dead horse!
:laugh2:
stephanie
01-02-2009, 09:16 AM
<center><img src=http://ancestralmanor.com/dnn/Portals/0/Deadhorse.jpg></center>
<center><blockquote>Just Beat It, Beat It, Beat It, Beat It
No One Wants To Be Defeated
Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight
It Doesn't Matter Who's Wrong Or Right
Just Beat It, Beat It
Just Beat It, Beat It
Just Beat It, Beat It
Just Beat It, Beat It</blockquote></center>
Y'all just beat that dead horse!
:laugh2:
why should we be any different than you liberals.
you all perfected the beating of dead horses...:thumb:
bullypulpit
01-02-2009, 09:36 AM
why should we be any different than you liberals.
you all perfected the beating of dead horses...:thumb:
No, not so much.
stephanie
01-02-2009, 09:43 AM
No, not so much.
yes, fraid so..
hell, not only do you all beat dead horses, you liberals invent a dead horse where there is none and beat the shit out of it,(ladies wardrobes, satire dvds, conservative candidates children etc, etc)...
asking to see the little Marxist original birth certificate is a legitimate request by AMERICAN CITIZENS..not some made up petty shit that the liberals go after..
bully of course fails to realize the obvious...
New suit claims unique state law enables citizens to demand proof
Posted: December 30, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
it appears that he feels better for repeating a silly mantra as if the repitition alone makes it true
crin63
02-01-2009, 12:15 PM
Now Congress is being sued to remove Obama as president.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87622
Obama has spent more than $800k from a report I read last week keeping his school records and birth certificate sealed. He also was in a closed door meeting with 8 members of the SCOTUS prior to a hearing in a case against him last week.
I suspect that if there is a revolt or anarchy this will be the rationale for it, if it is not settled.
emmett
02-01-2009, 12:21 PM
If it is law that I must provide a birth certificate to obtain a social security card, he damn sure ought to provide one to be president!
obama could stop all this in a second...instead he spends hundreds of thousands to hide the information
hmmmm
DannyR
02-01-2009, 04:13 PM
all they are asking is to have proof, nothing wrong with that...
Which has been provided already. But it doesn't matter what's provided, its never enough. Original claim came forward asking for proof, and Obama provided it. All that resulted was the guy claimed it was a fake document. Hawaii proved the document was authentic, but that still doesn't satisfy the critics. Now they want the "original" one!
I don't know what people expect to find from the "original" document vs the one already well posted everywhere. Other than a few extra details like the specific hospital and doctor, the info showing place of birth is exactly the same, which means it too will prove Hawaiian birth.
This whole thing is just like the 9/11 conspiracy theories. It will never matter how much proof is provided. They will always claim its fake. Obama is right to ignore the issue.
instead he spends hundreds of thousands to hide the information
I don't think he's spent a dime actually (I may be wrong here, but wasn't one of the complaints because Obama ignored one of the cases?). Its the conspiracy theorists wasting taxpayer dollars.
no, you are wrong, absolute proof has not been given. he has not provided a copy of the original birth certificate. mccain bent over backwards to produce everything he could to prove his citizenship, obama....an electronic copy...whooopppeee
and you don't think he has spent money, the article says he has....he has lawyers defending the cases in court, you think they are doing this pro bono?
DannyR
02-01-2009, 06:44 PM
no, you are wrong, absolute proof has not been given. he has not provided a copy of the original birth certificate. mccain bent over backwards to produce everything he could to prove his citizenship, obama....an electronic copy...whooopppeee
A copy that both Hawaii, the State Department and even the McCain campaign (who had the most to gain!) say is quite proof enough. A copy obviously derived from an original that the Republican governor of Hawaii and officials in Hawaii confirm is authentic.
Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
and you don't think he has spent money, the article says he has....he has lawyers defending the cases in court, you think they are doing this pro bono?
As I said, I didn't know how much he's spent. Last news I'd read was that they had ignored the case in Hawaii, which seems to me to indicate he wasn't spending much at all to worry about it. Truth be told, I simply don't care. Its all conspiracy nut fodder. Next you'll be wanting proof Obama's children are actually his by birth, as everyone knows black dads don't stay married to their baby momma. Obama has more important things to do than try and appease every conspiracy nut out there.
hearsay...why does the state of hawaii even have to confirm it....because obama refuses to release a copy of it....
he is hiding the original birth certificate....assuming that lady is telling the truth that an original exists. further, just because it exists doesn't mean that he is free and clear. what is so damning in that document that he refuses to release it, especially given his promise of an open campaign, presidency and that he would fight every smear...
i don't care about his kids, your suggestion is bullshit and shows what an idiot you are.
FACT: he has no released the certificate
DannyR
02-01-2009, 07:16 PM
hearsay...
Um, do you know what the word means? Person in question is an official of Hawaii in direct power to see and state as fact the truth. She didn't hear from someone else who happened to see it. She verified it herself.
further, just because it exists doesn't mean that he is free and clear. what is so damning in that document that he refuses to release it
Absolutely nothing. You know exactly what the original says, because we've seen the legal copy made directly from original. Fact that you don't accept the authenticity of the legitimate copy just says how much of a conspiracy nut you are. I'm sure Obama broke into vital record and substituted his BC just to oneday steal the presidency. *lol* While he was at it they faked the newspaper reports announcing his birth to. Obama is Jesus reborn, and an angel of the Lord told his mamma she had to fake the docs to he could one day be crowned King.
i don't care about his kids, your suggestion is bullshit and shows what an idiot you are.
You've been shown a legal copy of his BC and you still think he needs to prove his state of birth? Who's the one pushing bullshit and being an idiot? Who knows what you'll ask for next. I don't do crazy.
FACT: he has no released the certificate
FACT: he's released a legal, US government recognized proof of citizenship, satisfying all the requirements of his candidacy to be president. Anything more is being generous, and is NOT required to satisfy some nutjob's whim.
But if you want to keep wearing the tin foil hats, feel free.
TE=DannyR;344945]hearsay...
Um, do you know what the word means? Person in question is an official of Hawaii in direct power to see and state as fact the truth. She didn't hear from someone else who happened to see it. She verified it herself.
obviously you don't...it is an out of court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted, further it is not the best evidence at all, the original exists so it should be produced.
further, just because it exists doesn't mean that he is free and clear. what is so damning in that document that he refuses to release it
Absolutely nothing. You know exactly what the original says, because we've seen the legal copy made directly from original. Fact that you don't accept the authenticity of the legitimate copy just says how much of a conspiracy nut you are. I'm sure Obama broke into vital record and substituted his BC just to oneday steal the presidency. *lol* While he was at it they faked the newspaper reports announcing his birth to. Obama is Jesus reborn, and an angel of the Lord told his mamma she had to fake the docs to he could one day be crowned King.
absolutely wrong. sorry, but the electronic copy is NOT made directly from the original and it does not contain everything in the original.
i don't care about his kids, your suggestion is bullshit and shows what an idiot you are.
You've been shown a legal copy of his BC and you still think he needs to prove his state of birth? Who's the one pushing bullshit and being an idiot? Who knows what you'll ask for next. I don't do crazy.
you know, for one who claims they are an "independent thinker" you are quick to judge others who do not agree with your POV.
he promised to be transparent, he promised to fight every smear....he lied as he has not produced a copy of the original. if he did, 90% of those who believe he is not a citizen would let it go, it is the very fact that he refuses to produce that keeps this going.
FACT: he has no released the certificate
FACT: he's released a legal, US government recognized proof of citizenship, satisfying all the requirements of his candidacy to be president. Anything more is being generous, and is NOT required to satisfy some nutjob's whim.
But if you want to keep wearing the tin foil hats, feel free.
yes, i'm a nutjob because obama is hiding his original BC....
obama lied about being open and transparent and fighting every smear...but do keep on insulting me mr. independent thinker
DannyR
02-01-2009, 07:40 PM
absolutely wrong. sorry, but the electronic copy is NOT made directly from the original and it does not contain everything in the original.
No, they made up all the info on it from scratch. *lol* Only thing differing is the hospital and doctor. All the rest of the info is identical.
you know, for one who claims they are an "independent thinker" you are quick to judge others who do not agree with your POV.
Never said I wouldn't call bullshit when i see it. Independent thinking means I don't go parroting all the talking points of both the left and right. Obama fucks up, I'll slam him as freely as anyone else. But this is just a witch hunt pushed forward by the tin hat crowd.
he promised to be transparent, he promised to fight every smear.
A legal copy of his birth certificate satisfied the original claim. THAT wasn't enough for the critics though. Simple fact is NOTHING will ever be enough, so why should Obama waste time trying to do the impossible. He could produce the original document tomorrow and you'd still claim it was forged, altered or who knows what, just as they claimed the one originally produced was!
but do keep on insulting me mr. independent thinker
I insult the tin foil hat crowd. If you want to associate yourself with them, its your own fault.
]OTE=DannyR;344955]absolutely wrong. sorry, but the electronic copy is NOT made directly from the original and it does not contain everything in the original.
No, they made up all the info on it from scratch. *lol* Only thing differing is the hospital and doctor. All the rest of the info is identical.[/QUOTE]
you're wrong, the original has much more info....
FACT: he is hiding the original
you know, for one who claims they are an "independent thinker" you are quick to judge others who do not agree with your POV.
Never said I wouldn't call bullshit when i see it. Independent thinking means I don't go parroting all the talking points of both the left and right. Obama fucks up, I'll slam him as freely as anyone else. But this is just a witch hunt pushed forward by the tin hat crowd.
yeah, my independent thinking is nuts while you are a saint....
everything i have posted concerning this issue is true, not bullshit. what is bullshit is you insulting those who merely are stating the facts. why don't you post one think i have said about this issue that is not true....come on, you claim it is bullshit, prove it mr. independent thinker....
he promised to be transparent, he promised to fight every smear.
A legal copy of his birth certificate satisfied the original claim. THAT wasn't enough for the critics though. Simple fact is NOTHING will ever be enough, so why should Obama waste time trying to do the impossible. He could produce the original document tomorrow and you'd still claim it was forged, altered or who knows what, just as they claimed the one originally produced was!
it obvously DID NOT satisfy the claim :poke:
you're lying about nothing being not enough. i have repeatedly stated that if he shows a copy of the original then the issue is done for me. you're full of shit and simply making up stuff about me. you're the nutcase....
but do keep on insulting me mr. independent thinker
I insult the tin foil hat crowd. If you want to associate yourself with them, its your own fault.
another lie...i never said i associate with them nor did i ever say i want to.
you're a hypocrite for claiming to be an independent thinker while slamming others who think independently. you're a phony.
DannyR
02-01-2009, 08:17 PM
it obvously DID NOT satisfy the claim
A legal State and federally recognized certificate didn't satisfy the claim, eh? Yeah, I'm the nutcase.
i never said i associate with them nor did i ever say i want to.
Actions speak louder than words. You claim you aren't one, but you are tilting at the same windmill.
i am not surprised you couldn't find one thing i have said on this issue to be untrue.....
you're a judgmental prick
DannyR
02-01-2009, 08:54 PM
Still waiting to hear why you think the legal proof Obama has already shown isn't good enough for YOU, when it satisfied Hawaii, the head of vital records in Hawaii, the Governor of Hawaii, the State Department and McCain.
What's to disprove when all you offer is innuendo that Obama is a liar?
you're a judgmental prick
That all you can offer? Replying with just insults and avoiding the question?
no insults, fact, you're a judgmental prick.
everything i have stated is true, you said it was not, i asked you to show one thing that was untrue and you haven't....
you like to insult my independent thinking on this matter and accuse me of being a nutcase etc....don't be shocked by being called a judgmental prick
DannyR
02-01-2009, 09:50 PM
everything i have stated is true, you said it was not, i asked you to show one thing that was untrue and you haven't....
What's to disprove? You haven't stated anything other than Obama hasn't released an original document. Yeah, thats true enough, but simple fact is that he doesn't have to, as he has supplied a legal copy proving he was born in Hawaii, satisfactory to Hawaian state law, Department of State requirements, and even the McCain camp! Why should he do more? Because you say so? Don't think so.
you like to insult my independent thinking on this matter and accuse me of being a nutcase etc
independent thinking? *lol* Your real name Philip Berg?
TE=DannyR;344997]everything i have stated is true, you said it was not, i asked you to show one thing that was untrue and you haven't....
What's to disprove? You haven't stated anything other than Obama hasn't released an original document. Yeah, thats true enough, but simple fact is that he doesn't have to, as he has supplied a legal copy proving he was born in Hawaii, satisfactory to Hawaian state law, Department of State requirements, and even the McCain camp! Why should he do more? Because you say so? Don't think so.
he doesn't have to...what are you like five and stomping your feet...i don't have too....mccain did not have to produce his documents, but he did because he wanted to quell any rumor. obama promised to fight any and all smears and to be open and transparent. well, guess what, the "smear" that he is not a citizen because he has not produced a copy of the original still exists...and he refuses to fight it. so obama did in fact lie the he would fight any and all smears.
obama is a harvard trained attorney and he knows very well the best evidence rule...if an original exists, he should have produced that. it would have taken as much time as creating an electronic copy. you can whine and stomp your feet all day about him not having to produce it, but that is irrelevent to the issue at hand. that is, what is in the original that makes him want to hide it?
you like to insult my independent thinking on this matter and accuse me of being a nutcase etc
independent thinking? *lol* Your real name Philip Berg?[/QUOTE]
you see, you're such in ignorant asshole...you think you're so smart and independent, but you're not. you're arrogant and not at all open minded.
DannyR
02-01-2009, 10:10 PM
mccain did not have to produce his documents, but he did because he wanted to quell any rumor.
What rumor? There was never any doubt McCain was born in Panama canal zone. Only doubt was if that qualified him as a natural born citizen and that was settled with or without anything produced by McCain. McCain never had anybody question if he was actually born there.
obama promised to fight any and all smears and to be open and transparent. well, guess what, the "smear" that he is not a citizen because he has not produced a copy of the original still exists.
There comes a time when enough is enough. First it was that Obama was a muslim, then that Obama's middle name was Mohamed, then that Obama wasn't a citizen, then that Obama somehow forged the documents he has produced proving he's a citizen, then that Hawaiian governor and related officials are lying and colluding with Obama to suppress the truth.
Again, while you claim you'll eventually be satisfied, fact is that people like you never are. He produces the real certificate, you'll just claim its a forgery just as you claim the certificate of live birth is now.
He's satisfied the legal requirements. Anything else is just to satisfy your morbid curiosity and that of other tin hat conspiracy theorists. Its a waste of time.
you're arrogant and not at all open minded
I'm not the one out on a limb claiming a legal copy of a birth is false and more is required to satisfy them. Still waiting for you to answer why you think what he's produced isn't good enough.
mccain did not have to produce his documents, but he did because he wanted to quell any rumor.
What rumor? There was never any doubt McCain was born in Panama canal zone. Only doubt was if that qualified him as a natural born citizen and that was settled with or without anything produced by McCain. McCain never had anybody question if he was actually born there.
obama promised to fight any and all smears and to be open and transparent. well, guess what, the "smear" that he is not a citizen because he has not produced a copy of the original still exists.
There comes a time when enough is enough. First it was that Obama was a muslim, then that Obama's middle name was Mohamed, then that Obama wasn't a citizen, then that Obama somehow forged the documents he has produced proving he's a citizen, then that Hawaiian governor and related officials are lying and colluding with Obama to suppress the truth.
Again, while you claim you'll eventually be satisfied, fact is that people like you never are. He produces the real certificate, you'll just claim its a forgery just as you claim the certificate of live birth is now.
He's satisfied the legal requirements. Anything else is just to satisfy your morbid curiosity and that of other tin hat conspiracy theorists. Its a waste of time.
you're arrogant and not at all open minded
I'm not the one out on a limb claiming a legal copy of a birth is false and more is required to satisfy them. Still waiting for you to answer why you think what he's produced isn't good enough.
people like me....like i said, you're an arrogant asshole with a closed mind
i never claimed the electronic was was false, more lies from you about me...
i have answered the question no less than 3 times, the fact you are to ignorant to see it is not surprising. let's repeat it for you again:
he promised to fight any and all smears
people claim he is not a US citizen because he has not produced a copy of the original
obama will not fight this by simply producing a copy of the original
obama lied
what you fail to grasp in your ignorance is that i have not claimed he is not a US citizen, i merely question why he won't produce the original and how stupid it is of him not to. you want to make up shit about me never being satisified because you don't have logical leg to stand on. there is simply no logic for him not producing the document.
i mean look at yourself in this thread. you are completely illogical. you have lied about me at least twice, started an insult fest....for what? are you that sensative about obama? i mean what is it about this that has caused you to lose your cool and act like an irrational asshole?
DannyR
02-01-2009, 10:43 PM
i never claimed the electronic was was false, more lies from you about me...
How have you not?!
You claim what he has produced already is not good enough and he's hiding the original, ergo the one's he's provided must be false. If its not false, then why is it not good enough? It proves he's a US citizen. That's what this whole issue is about, that Obama isn't a citizen! Now you are trying to twist your own words.
obama will not fight this by simply producing a copy of the original
He's already done so with a legally binding electronic copy!
What he produced is a certified copy of the original birth, fully recognized as such by the state of Hawaii, State Department and anybody else who's not a conspiracy nut.
And again, your very actions state that the certificate he produce must be false since he hasn't gone the extra step to produce the more detailed birth certificate image.
obama lied
He produced the legal requirements necessary to satisfy the claim at the time. That people weren't satisfied with this is proof that you can never satisfy conspiracy theorists. Producing further evidence won't satisfy them either as they'll just claim its photoshoped or a forgery! Jesus could come down from Heaven and testify and it wouldn't be enough.
you want to make up shit about me never being satisified because you don't have logical leg to stand on. there is simply no logic for him not producing the document.
And what you fail to grasp is that even if he does produce such a document, it will immediately be attacked, and if not you, people LIKE you, will keep railing about how it must be a forgery. Conspiracy theorists are never satisfied. That is the logical reason to avoid continuing down that path. Those who believe this shit will still believe it no matter what Obama produces. It gains him nothing to continually respond to such arguments.
As the original poster so eloquently stated "It never stops".
you're obviously so wound up about this you can't see straight...
i suggest you go back and review exactly what i have said.
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