Hamas and the Israeli Response

[Kathianne]

Just saying:

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[moon]

Juvenile graffiti. No opinion, no source, no circumstantial background. New Klan piffle.

[Kathianne]

Juvenile graffiti. No opinion, no source, no circumstantial background. New Klan piffle.

Ah, on the other hand we have your extensive documentary proof of all sorts of proclamations. :rolleyes: You've already proven you haven't a clue to who's more likely to be sympathetic to your 'cause' and seriously against it.

Any against your opinion is 'klan', buddy, you are a fascist. YOU are the one for genocide.

[Kathianne]

Doesn't need comment:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/01/AR2009010101780.html


Moral Clarity in Gaza
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, January 2, 2009; A15

Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons.

-- Associated Press, Dec. 27

Some geopolitical conflicts are morally complicated. The Israel-Gaza war is not. It possesses a moral clarity not only rare but excruciating.

Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger. Hamas, which started this conflict with unrelenting rocket and mortar attacks on unarmed Israelis -- 6,464 launched from Gaza in the past three years -- deliberately places its weapons in and near the homes of its own people.

This has two purposes. First, counting on the moral scrupulousness of Israel, Hamas figures civilian proximity might help protect at least part of its arsenal. Second, knowing that Israelis have new precision weapons that may allow them to attack nonetheless, Hamas hopes that inevitable collateral damage -- or, if it is really fortunate, an errant Israeli bomb -- will kill large numbers of its own people for which, of course, the world will blame Israel.

For Hamas, the only thing more prized than dead Jews are dead Palestinians. The religion of Jew-murder and self-martyrdom is ubiquitous. And deeply perverse, such as the Hamas TV children's program in which an adorable live-action Palestinian Mickey Mouse is beaten to death by an Israeli (then replaced by his more militant cousin, Nahoul the Bee, who vows to continue on Mickey's path to martyrdom).

At war today in Gaza, one combatant is committed to causing the most civilian pain and suffering on both sides. The other combatant is committed to saving as many lives as possible -- also on both sides. It's a recurring theme. Israel gave similar warnings to Southern Lebanese villagers before attacking Hezbollah in the Lebanon war of 2006. The Israelis did this knowing it would lose for them the element of surprise and cost the lives of their own soldiers.

That is the asymmetry of means between Hamas and Israel. But there is equal clarity regarding the asymmetry of ends. Israel has but a single objective in Gaza -- peace: the calm, open, normal relations it offered Gaza when it withdrew in 2005. Doing something never done by the Turkish, British, Egyptian and Jordanian rulers of Palestine, the Israelis gave the Palestinians their first sovereign territory ever in Gaza....

[moon]

Kathianne;

Any against your opinion is 'klan', buddy, you are a fascist. YOU are the one for genocide.
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Those that display a propensity for anti-Islamism and the killing of people according to their religion or race are genocidal fascists and there are many of the 'armchair' variety right here on DP. You look very silly trying to paint me with my own brush.

I'll tell you what, I'll produce some New Klan examples and you try to produce some evidence that I'm fascist or genocidal .

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


Those that display a propensity for anti-Islamism and the killing of people according to their religion or race are genocidal fascists and there are many of the 'armchair' variety right here on DP. You look very silly trying to paint me with my own brush.

I'll tell you what, I'll produce some New Klan examples and you try to produce some evidence that I'm fascist or genocidal .

To back Hamas is to support genocide.

[moon]

Kathianne;

Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons

Terrorism by telephone.

What do you think would happen to someone in, say, Detroit, who started ringing the neighbors to say that arms were suspected so get out of town before we fire-bomb you ? Yet this is the mentality you support, Kathianne, because you are a propaganda junkie.

Kathianne;

To back Hamas is to support genocide.
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Is that because Hamas are resisting invasion ?

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


Terrorism by telephone.

What do you think would happen to someone in, say, Detroit, who started ringing the neighbors to say that arms were suspected so get out of town before we fire-bomb you ? Yet this is the mentality you support, Kathianne, because you are a propaganda junkie.

Wrong and strawman to boot! The Palestinians know that they are victims of war, mostly due to Hamas. With that said, no way would they think a prank. Ijit.

[moon]

Wrong and strawman to boot!

Not at all. It's an apt analogy. That's why you don't like it.

[Kathianne]

Not at all. It's an apt analogy. That's why you don't like it.

Now we really DO have our own Muslim, OCA! "I'm right, no matter what!" :laugh2:

[moon]

In this instance, unreservedly. 'Get out of your house, we're going to bomb it' . And you can't see that that is terrorism by telephone. Hey, let's phone the White House !

[FSUK]

Israel commits war crimes against the palestinians, and hamas has rockets, stupid home made rockets. Israel has the worlds most advanced weaponary, they are committing massacres!. Hamas are a resistance movement, they are defending their people against a terror state called israel. I condem hamas rockets firing into southern israel, however, there is no need for israel to kill over 400 people, majority innocent people.

[Mr. P]

Israel commits war crimes against the palestinians, and hamas has rockets, stupid home made rockets. Israel has the worlds most advanced weaponary, they are committing massacres!. Hamas are a resistance movement, they are defending their people against a terror state called israel. I condem hamas rockets firing into southern israel, however, there is no need for israel to kill over 400 people, majority innocent people.

So how many Israelis need be killed before it OK with you that they defend against these rocket attacks by Hamas?

[FSUK]

dont be so naive, this has nothing to do with the stupid rocket attacks. Israel wants regime change in gaza, they want to beat gazans into submission, so fatah can take power. Allowing the US/israel to be the puppet masters once again. They are fucking low grade rockets, israel has the most advanced weapons, the best intel agency-mossad. they dont need to conduct an air campaign and murder 400 people in order to stop some shit rocket attacks.

[Mr. P]

dont be so naive, this has nothing to do with the stupid rocket attacks. Israel wants regime change in gaza, they want to beat gazans into submission, so fatah can take power. Allowing the US/israel to be the puppet masters once again. They are fucking low grade rockets, israel has the most advanced weapons, the best intel agency-mossad. they dont need to conduct an air campaign and murder 400 people in order to stop some shit rocket attacks.

Low grade rockets are deadly weapons "IDIOT".

So how many Israelis need be killed before it OK with you that they defend against these rocket attacks by Hamas?

[FSUK]

The question should be when will israel end their ILLEGAL occupation? stop clinging on to this stupid rocket attacks.

[Mr. P]

The question should be when will israel end their ILLEGAL occupation? stop clinging on to this stupid rocket attacks.

The question IS: How many Israelis need be killed before it OK with you that they defend against these rocket attacks by Hamas?

[moon]

That isn't the 'question' at all. The Zionists are required, by international law, to withdraw from the OPT. No invasion- no rockets.

[PostmodernProphet]

That isn't the 'question' at all. The Zionists are required, by international law, to withdraw from the OPT. No invasion- no rockets.

Gaza unoccupied....Hamas fires rockets.....argument fails.....

[moon]

Gaza is still under the Zionist jackboot. Further , the Zionists have never ceased killing Gazans since they forced their own militant squatters to up their unwelcome tent-pegs. The 'withdrawal' was a publicity manoeuvre for the benefit of propaganda junkies.
No Zionist assassination policy- no rockets.

[Mr. P]

That isn't the 'question' at all. The Zionists are required, by international law, to withdraw from the OPT. No invasion- no rockets.

That is my question to FSUK and the same to you, Moonbeam.

How many Israelis need be killed before it's OK with you that they defend against these rocket attacks by Hamas?

[moon]

Again, when the Zionist invaders withdraw from Palestine their won't be any need for Palestinian resistance to invasion. As the Zionist invaders are required to withdraw, under international law, it is the Zionist invaders who are acting illegally. The Palestinians, as the injured party, have every right to self-defense.

Who should stop first, the attacker or the defender ? Obviously, the party who is acting illegally. As everybody with half an interest in the situation is aware, the party acting illegally is 'Israel'. I'll be pleased to direct you to the relevant UN Resolutions.

[stephanie]

Again, when the Zionist invaders withdraw from Palestine their won't be any need for Palestinian resistance to invasion. As the Zionist invaders are required to withdraw, under international law, it is the Zionist invaders who are acting illegally. The Palestinians, as the injured party, have every right to self-defense.

Who should stop first, the attacker or the defender ? Obviously, the party who is acting illegally. As everybody with half an interest in the situation is aware, the party acting illegally is 'Israel'. I'll be pleased to direct you to the relevant UN Resolutions.

I think you and your HEROS (the terrorist) are losing the propaganda war this time..

you don't see the world HOWLING at Israel like they did in the past..must be a reason for that?

If the Palestinians people don't want war, they should vote or revolt to remove a terrorist group as their leaders...until then they are saying they want the same as the terrorist do...

sorry for them in that regard..

[Mr. P]

Again, when the Zionist invaders withdraw from Palestine their won't be any need for Palestinian resistance to invasion. As the Zionist invaders are required to withdraw, under international law, it is the Zionist invaders who are acting illegally. The Palestinians, as the injured party, have every right to self-defense.

Who should stop first, the attacker or the defender ? Obviously, the party who is acting illegally. As everybody with half an interest in the situation is aware, the party acting illegally is 'Israel'. I'll be pleased to direct you to the relevant UN Resolutions.

So you won't answer the question either...what a surprise.

How many Israelis need be killed before it's OK with you that they defend against these rocket attacks by Hamas?

[moon]

Stephanie;

I think you and your HEROS (the terrorist) are losing the propaganda war this time..

you don't see the world HOWLING at Israel like they did in the past..must be a reason for that?

If the Palestinians people don't want war, they should vote or revolt to remove a terrorist group as their leaders...until then they are saying they want the same as the terrorist do...

sorry for them in that regard..

It's obvious to anybody with any functioning perceptions that the Palestinians are being terrorized by the Zionists, not the other way around. The Zionists do the extra-judicial killing, the assassinations, the arrests, the imprisonments without trial, etc., all the hallmarks of a fascist regime. Hamas kill Zionists as a response whilst trying to administrate over the 1.5 million Gazans who elected them by way of fair and democratic elections.
Why did Gazans vote for Hamas ? Because the alternative was Fatah, a corruption-ridden stump of Arafat's PLO who were willing to sell out to Zionism under pressure. Gazans know that Hamas will never be defeated by the Zionists and that Hamas are perfectly capable of governing in a fair , secular and productive manner. In addition, Hamas had maintained a long, unilateral, ceasefire before the elections and Gazans supported this move to a political platform. What we are seeing now is American/Zionist responses to Palestinian democracy- starvation, siege , collective punishment and indiscriminate murder.

Zionism needs war and expansionism to survive. Look at the writings of its leaders before you expose yourself again as a propaganda junkie and anti-Islamist.

[moon]

Mr P.;

So you won't answer the question either...what a surprise.

How many Israelis need be killed before it's OK with you that they defend against these rocket attacks by Hamas?

Stop parroting your rot, Mr P, your dumb and loaded question has been answered twice.

[stephanie]

Stephanie;


It's obvious to anybody with any functioning perceptions that the Palestinians are being terrorized by the Zionists, not the other way around. The Zionists do the extra-judicial killing, the assassinations, the arrests, the imprisonments without trial, etc., all the hallmarks of a fascist regime. Hamas kill Zionists as a response whilst trying to administrate over the 1.5 million Gazans who elected them by way of fair and democratic elections.
Why did Gazans vote for Hamas ? Because the alternative was Fatah, a corruption-ridden stump of Arafat's PLO who were willing to sell out to Zionism under pressure. Gazans know that Hamas will never be defeated by the Zionists and that Hamas are perfectly capable of governing in a fair , secular and productive manner. In addition, Hamas had maintained a long, unilateral, ceasefire before the elections and Gazans supported this move to a political platform. What we are seeing now is American/Zionist responses to Palestinian democracy- starvation, siege , collective punishment and indiscriminate murder.

Zionism needs war and expansionism to survive. Look at the writings of its leaders before you expose yourself again as a propaganda junkie and anti-Islamist.

you are the propagandist, who seems to be losing out this time around..

to bad for you and your terrorist buddies..

[Mr. P]

Mr P.;


Stop parroting your rot, Mr P, your dumb and loaded question has been answered twice.

Sorry "IDIOT" you haven't answered yet.

How many Israelis need be killed before it's OK with you that they defend against these rocket attacks by Hamas?

[stephanie]

it wouldn't matter if Israel conceded and gave them everything they demand..

they would find something else to rage about...hell they rioted over a damn cartoon..

[PostmodernProphet]

Again, when the Zionist invaders withdraw from Palestine
repeating the same bullshit does not lend it credence.....your argument falls flat when faced with reality.....

[5stringJeff]

Again, when the Zionist invaders withdraw from Palestine their won't be any need for Palestinian resistance to invasion. As the Zionist invaders are required to withdraw, under international law, it is the Zionist invaders who are acting illegally. The Palestinians, as the injured party, have every right to self-defense.

Who should stop first, the attacker or the defender ? Obviously, the party who is acting illegally. As everybody with half an interest in the situation is aware, the party acting illegally is 'Israel'. I'll be pleased to direct you to the relevant UN Resolutions.

The whole problem with your argument is that the state of Israel, as it existed in 1947/8, was invaded by the Arabs in the first place. Israel took land in three subsequent Arab invasions - which right has been recognized from the dawn of civilization - and has essentially handed the West Bank and Gaza over to the Palestinians. If the Palestinians wanted to create a state of their own in the West Bank, Israel would go along with it. In fact, IIRC, Arafat was offered something like 95% of the West Bank, and flatly refused it. If Palestinians really wanted peace and self-determination, why didn't they take it when Israel offered it to them?

[moon]

5stringJeff;

The whole problem with your argument is that the state of Israel, as it existed in 1947/8, was invaded by the Arabs in the first place.

You're wrong, Jeff. After the Partition Resolution the Zionists grabbed 24% more land than the Resolution allocated them and began the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They razed Palestinian villages outside of their 'territory' and murdered or evicted the inhabitants. The Arab League didn't become involved until months later. There can be absolutely no refuting that the first large-scale and organised violence was by the Zionist terror gangs, such as the Irgun, who were already guilty of murdering British troops in terror raids such as their bombing of the King David Hotel. Take the slaughter at Deir Yassin, as an example;


Early in the morning of Friday, April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun, headed by Menachem Begin, and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. It was several weeks before the end of the British Mandate. The village lay outside of the area that the United Nations recommended be included in a future Jewish State.

By noon over 100 people, half of them women and children, had been systematically murdered. Four commandos died at the hands of resisting Palestinians using old Mausers and muskets. Twenty-five male villagers were loaded into trucks, paraded through the Zakhron Yosef quarter in Jerusalem, and then taken to a stone quarry along the road between Givat Shaul and Deir Yassin and shot to death. The remaining residents were driven to Arab East Jerusalem.

http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

You see the date ? The Arab War didn't start until halfway through May.

I think you ought to start challenging your preconceptions of who it is that holds the high moral ground in this conflict. The Palestinians had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust and they should not be permitted to be Zionism's victims.

[actsnoblemartin]

your ignoring the fact that war to kill all jews is the reason, jews got more land. the same reason you enjoy your home.

war was fought for that land, and it wasnt given back after it was won.

especially when the other side threatens a 2nd holocaust, just after the first one, i think that 24% of land would help with security.

second, you bring up one terrorist act, by a defunct terrorist group, when the palestinians have several non-defunct, and very active terrorist groups

here are those straws you are reaching so desperately for.


5stringJeff;


You're wrong, Jeff. After the Partition Resolution the Zionists grabbed 24% more land than the Resolution allocated them and began the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They razed Palestinian villages outside of their 'territory' and murdered or evicted the inhabitants. The Arab League didn't become involved until months later. There can be absolutely no refuting that the first large-scale and organised violence was by the Zionist terror gangs, such as the Irgun, who were already guilty of murdering British troops in terror raids such as their bombing of the King David Hotel. Take the slaughter at Deir Yassin, as an example;



You see the date ? The Arab War didn't start until halfway through May.

I think you ought to start challenging your preconceptions of who it is that holds the high moral ground in this conflict. The Palestinians had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust and they should not be permitted to be Zionism's victims.

[Gaffer]

5stringJeff;


You're wrong, Jeff. After the Partition Resolution the Zionists grabbed 24% more land than the Resolution allocated them and began the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They razed Palestinian villages outside of their 'territory' and murdered or evicted the inhabitants. The Arab League didn't become involved until months later. There can be absolutely no refuting that the first large-scale and organised violence was by the Zionist terror gangs, such as the Irgun, who were already guilty of murdering British troops in terror raids such as their bombing of the King David Hotel. Take the slaughter at Deir Yassin, as an example;



You see the date ? The Arab War didn't start until halfway through May.

I think you ought to start challenging your preconceptions of who it is that holds the high moral ground in this conflict. The Palestinians had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust and they should not be permitted to be Zionism's victims.

Your article conveniently fails too mention the hundreds of iraqi troops that moved into that village as part of the invasion force sent by the arabs. The fighting that occurred was between the Israeli's and the iraqi's. There was no massacre, there was a battle. Any innocents killed were because they were caught in the cross fire.

[actsnoblemartin]

I think you oughta challenge your prejudices, and come back to reality.

israelies by and large want peace, while palestinians, based on what they teach their kids, and their over 80 years (see arab revolt of 1929) of aggression and murder want death and destruction of the jews.

you seem to have selective memory

from 1948-1967, the west bank and gaza were in muslim hands, yet the plo and palestinians said and did nothing until they tried to kill the jews for a third time and failed, and lost the land.

history does not care if your a bigot, it only cares about the truth.

you clearly do not like israel, israelies or jews.


5stringJeff;


You're wrong, Jeff. After the Partition Resolution the Zionists grabbed 24% more land than the Resolution allocated them and began the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They razed Palestinian villages outside of their 'territory' and murdered or evicted the inhabitants. The Arab League didn't become involved until months later. There can be absolutely no refuting that the first large-scale and organised violence was by the Zionist terror gangs, such as the Irgun, who were already guilty of murdering British troops in terror raids such as their bombing of the King David Hotel. Take the slaughter at Deir Yassin, as an example;



You see the date ? The Arab War didn't start until halfway through May.

I think you ought to start challenging your preconceptions of who it is that holds the high moral ground in this conflict. The Palestinians had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust and they should not be permitted to be Zionism's victims.

[actsnoblemartin]

Your article conveniently fails too mention the hundreds of iraqi troops that moved into that village as part of the invasion force sent by the arabs. The fighting that occurred was between the Israeli's and the iraqi's. There was no massacre, there was a battle. Any innocents killed were because they were caught in the cross fire.

you expect him to be honest?

he cant even be honest with himself about his prejudices

and he will use any half truth to justify his hatred of any jews in the muslim world.

[Gaffer]

you expect him to be honest?

he cant even be honest with himself about his prejudices

and he will use any half truth to justify his hatred of any jews in the muslim world.

Your right again Martin. He won't be honest. He'll twist words around or make up whatever he thinks sounds good. He's just a propaganda tool that needs a lot more practice at convincing people. There are too many well read, well informed people on here for him to get away with his bull shit. He would be better off at a liberal board like du where they will buy into anything that is anti-American, anti-Israel or, most importantly, anti-Bush.

[avatar4321]

Kathianne;


Those that display a propensity for anti-Islamism and the killing of people according to their religion or race are genocidal fascists and there are many of the 'armchair' variety right here on DP. You look very silly trying to paint me with my own brush.

I'll tell you what, I'll produce some New Klan examples and you try to produce some evidence that I'm fascist or genocidal .

You openly support Hamas. What more evidence do you need?


Kathianne;


Terrorism by telephone.

What do you think would happen to someone in, say, Detroit, who started ringing the neighbors to say that arms were suspected so get out of town before we fire-bomb you ? Yet this is the mentality you support, Kathianne, because you are a propaganda junkie.

Kathianne;


Is that because Hamas are resisting invasion ?

First, please write sentences that aren't run-ons. Writing clearly makes it easier to understand your points.

Second, accomplishes are as guilty as the perpetrators. You are assisting in their quest to commit genocide.


dont be so naive, this has nothing to do with the stupid rocket attacks. Israel wants regime change in gaza, they want to beat gazans into submission, so fatah can take power. Allowing the US/israel to be the puppet masters once again. They are fucking low grade rockets, israel has the most advanced weapons, the best intel agency-mossad. they dont need to conduct an air campaign and murder 400 people in order to stop some shit rocket attacks.

Cant imagine why anyone would want to a group who openly states they want to wipe you off the face of the planet out of power. Why on earth would they want regime change?


The question should be when will israel end their ILLEGAL occupation? stop clinging on to this stupid rocket attacks.

okay, what territory are they "illegally" occupying?


That isn't the 'question' at all. The Zionists are required, by international law, to withdraw from the OPT. No invasion- no rockets.

International agreements only last till one side breaks the agreement. And Hamas firing rockets into Israel breaks whatever agreements might be on the table.


Mr P.;


Stop parroting your rot, Mr P, your dumb and loaded question has been answered twice.

No it hasnt. It's not like it's hard to see, this thread isnt long yet. You havent answered.

Why is it people always try to avoid straightforward questions?

[Kathianne]

Again, when the Zionist invaders withdraw from Palestine their won't be any need for Palestinian resistance to invasion. As the Zionist invaders are required to withdraw, under international law, it is the Zionist invaders who are acting illegally. The Palestinians, as the injured party, have every right to self-defense.

Who should stop first, the attacker or the defender ? Obviously, the party who is acting illegally. As everybody with half an interest in the situation is aware, the party acting illegally is 'Israel'. I'll be pleased to direct you to the relevant UN Resolutions.

Define "Palestine". What borders? Is it all of what is now referred to as OT and Israel?

[Yurt]

okay, what territory are they "illegally" occupying?

excellent question...guess the arabs should never have sided with the losers and lost the land in war...they won the land in war and have now lost it in war...

[moon]

Gaffer;

Your article conveniently fails too mention the hundreds of iraqi troops that moved into that village as part of the invasion force sent by the arabs. The fighting that occurred was between the Israeli's and the iraqi's. There was no massacre, there was a battle. Any innocents killed were because they were caught in the cross fire.

The Zionist terror-gangs murdered unarmed civilians, women and children. There were no Arab League troops in Palestine until May, 1948. Your head is irretrievably stuck up your ass.

avatar;

okay, what territory are they "illegally" occupying?

All territory outside of the Green Line.


The Legal Boundaries of Israel in International Law

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/world/israelborders.php

[KSigMason]

Juvenile graffiti. No opinion, no source, no circumstantial background. New Klan piffle.

Those that display a propensity for anti-Islamism and the killing of people according to their religion or race are genocidal fascists and there are many of the 'armchair' variety right here on DP. You look very silly trying to paint me with my own brush.
What does the Klan have to do with this? If anything the Klan would support the destruction of Israel. Racist/supremacists have historically supported radical Islams attack on the Jews. Hell, David Duke went to Iran and did a seminar of sorts ranting about how the Holocaust never happened. The biggest example of radical Islam and racists working together is Hitler and the Mufti of Jerusalem (founder of the PLO) met together, and Hitler had him even set-up a SS Division in Bosnia.


Is that because Hamas are resisting invasion ?
What invasion? Hamas is the one that broke the truce with Israel by launching rockets into their land. Israel gets attacked left and right, but when they finally retaliate then the world gets up in arms, but during the months that Israel sat there and just took it. What a disgusting double standard.

Hamas woke up the Lion and now is getting their clocked clean.


Hamas are a resistance movement, they are defending their people against a terror state called israel.
Wrong. Hamas is a known terrorist group; the only thing they resist is freedom, peace, and tolerance. They have been long before being elected to lead the Palestinian territory.


The question should be when will israel end their ILLEGAL occupation?
What illegal occupation? What nation did Israel occupy?

What do you think of the Kurds in N Iraq that were displaced? Or were forced to live in Iraq instead of their own nation?


repeating the same bullshit does not lend it credence.....your argument falls flat when faced with reality.....
You realize that the very definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results.

[moon]

What does the Klan have to do with this?

You aren't aware of the New Klan ? It's a lot like the old one , in terms of cowardice , bigotry and sadism, but its prime target is Islam and its 'hoods' are internet handles. You can usually spot them by the 'positive' rep you get when you say something obnoxious.


The biggest example of radical Islam and racists working together is Hitler and the Mufti of Jerusalem (founder of the PLO) met together

Of course the Palestinians were against the establishment of a Zionist State. They were exercising the egg's prerogative to avoid the omelette. You are lost in the irrelevant world of pre-United Nations conflict.
Still, if you are going to try to divert attention from current Zionist fascism by mentioning WW2 allies of Hitler, then what about, the Italians, the Bulgarians, the Croatians, the Fins, the Hungarians, the Romanians, and the Slovakians ? What about the jewish collaborators themselves ? What about the Jüdische Ordnungsdienst ? Or does your criticism extend only to muslims ?


Wrong. Hamas is a known terrorist group;

Few States consider Hamas a 'terrorist' group. It's easy to believe the propaganda of your own government if you happen to live in one of them.


What illegal occupation? What nation did Israel occupy?

The Zionist occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory is illegal under international law. It's actually called 'the Occupied Palestinian Territory' at the UN, which provides a clue.
There is previous mention of 'The Green Line' in this thread. Perhaps you'd care to investigate what it is and come on back with something other than misguided opinion.

[KSigMason]

You aren't aware of the New Klan ? It's a lot like the old one , in terms of cowardice , bigotry and sadism, but its prime target is Islam and its 'hoods' are internet handles. You can usually spot them by the 'positive' rep you get when you say something obnoxious.
Well, I'm not anti-Islam as much as I am anti-radical Islam/Islamofascism which runs rampant in the Middle East.

I know what a moderate Muslim is, my quasi-roommate is a Pakistani Muslim. He hates the picture the radicals paint of Muslims.


Of course the Palestinians were against the establishment of a Zionist State. They were exercising the egg's prerogative to avoid the omelette. You are lost in the irrelevant world of pre-United Nations conflict.
Hey it's superman, dodging topics in a single bound!


Or does your criticism extend only to muslims?
Oh no, I've condemned what countries have done. You just seem to be an apologist for terrorists.

As far as Jewish collaborators, what is this?


Few States consider Hamas a 'terrorist' group.
The UN considers it a terrorist group, European countries consider them to be a terrorist group. I am an analyst, terrorism research is what I do...enter in the jokes about Army Intel and oxymorons...but I am good at what I do.

Hell, just read Hamas's constitution, they speak of intolerance and oppression being their goals.


It's easy to believe the propaganda of your own government if you happen to live in one of them
You call it propaganda, I call it fact. It's kind of hard not to believe something if you helped write it.:salute:

[moon]

Well, I'm not anti-Islam as much as I am anti-radical Islam/Islamofascism which runs rampant in the Middle East.

I know what a moderate Muslim is, my quasi-roommate is a Pakistani Muslim. He hates the picture the radicals paint of Muslims.

You can't be a New Klansman with a muslim roommate. A point for sanity. Tough luck, fascists.


Hey it's superman, dodging topics in a single bound!

No, that was a fair and relevant comment. The ol' Mufti dude was trying to protect his country. History has proved him right, wouldn't you say ?


Oh no, I've condemned what countries have done. You just seem to be an apologist for terrorists.

As far as Jewish collaborators, what is this?

I'm against real terrorists myself but I'm alert enough to know when the pointing finger has deceit for a fingernail.



The UN considers it a terrorist group, European countries consider them to be a terrorist group. I am an analyst, terrorism research is what I do...enter in the jokes about Army Intel and oxymorons...but I am good at what I do.

The UN isn't listed here as considering Hamas to be terrorists;


Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada,[18] the European Union,[19][20][21][22] Israel,[23] Japan,[24] and the United States,[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
What's your source ?


It's kind of hard not to believe something if you helped write it.

OK then, do you believe that the UN considers Hamas to be a terrorist group ? You're the author of that, after all.

[KSigMason]

The UN isn't listed here as considering Hamas to be terrorists;


Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada,[18] the European Union,[19][20][21][22] Israel,[23] Japan,[24] and the United States,[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

What's your source ?
I took a UN Course called Global Terrorism (http://www.peaceopstraining.org/courses#46) and in the back of the UN book it states Hamas is designated as a terrorist group.

I'm no fan of Wiki, it is completely unreliable since anyone can change any of its information.


OK then, do you believe that the UN considers Hamas to be a terrorist group? You're the author of that, after all.
I do believe the UN, though I'm not the author of that report, it has been tried and proven. Even taking out their acts, their beliefs are messed up; anti-freedom, anti-tolerance, all oppression.

[moon]

I'm not against anybody having a change of mind if they find they've been misinformed. You want the truth or do you prefer your preconceptions ? I'm for the truth myself, ego be hanged.

[KSigMason]

I'm not against anybody having a change of mind if they find they've been misinformed. You want the truth or do you prefer your preconceptions ? I'm for the truth myself, ego be hanged.
Well, you can stand by your terrorist group. I'll stand with real freedom fighters. I'm sure I take pictures of my terrorism book and you wouldn't believe it to be true.

[moon]

You've stated, quite unreservedly, that the United Nations lists Hamas as terrorists. I can find no evidence that that is the case, so would you mind clarifying the matter for all interested parties.

KsigMason;

The UN considers it a terrorist group, European countries consider them to be a terrorist group. I am an analyst, terrorism research is what I do..

Still unable to find confirmation of your assertion, mason;


The US and EU - who both classify Hamas as a terrorist group - have ruled out any dealings with the group until it renounces violence against Israel.

Russia - who together with the US, EU and UN make up the so-called Middle East Quartet - does not consider Hamas a terrorist group.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4698240.stm

How about putting a shoulder to the wheel of truth ?

[PostmodernProphet]

Still unable to find confirmation of your assertion, mason;



How about putting a shoulder to the wheel of truth ?

.....wouldn't the bbc link that you quoted be confirmation?.......

[moon]

.....wouldn't the bbc link that you quoted be confirmation?.......

Only if you thought that the EU and the UN were the same organisation, profligate.

[Classact]

All indications are that all responsibility for the death is related to elections in the ME and all roots of terror are in Iran... don't believe me read the NYT {yuck} article http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/world/middleeast/05iran.html?_r=1&ref=world

[moon]

Hey, it's the elephant that claims that the US and Israel aren't signatories to the Geneva Conventions.

[Classact]

Hey, it's the elephant that claims that the US and Israel aren't signatories to the Geneva Conventions.And I guess you are the orbiting ball of nothingness that has a link to prove they US ratified the GC protocols you wish they had...


1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) That of carrying arms openly;
(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant


This Hamas thing is the puppet master in Iran pulling the strings http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/14941 an attempt to change elections and prop up the Iranian power base.

Edited to add:
The United States refuses to ratify Protocol I because it claims the protocol will legitimize groups involved in wars of national liberation. Although the United States has not ratified Protocol I, it has indicated that most of its provisions are incorporated into customary international law. The United States also decided not to ratify Protocol II, fearing that it might enhance the status of rebels, even though there was little objection by the U.S. military to ratification of this protocol. Without the Additional Protocols, recent conflicts in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Sierra Leone, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo might not have been covered by humanitarian law. http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_762529232_2/geneva_conventions.html

[moon]

Shimmy and shuffle. Shuffle and shimmy. The US and Israel are signatories to the Geneva Conventions are your trunk is up your ass.

[Classact]

Shimmy and shuffle. Shuffle and shimmy. The US and Israel are signatories to the Geneva Conventions are your trunk is up your ass.Are you questioning the Encarta source?

[moon]

I'm questioning your ability to hang your trousers on your own goddamned peg.
You stated that the US and Israel aren't signatories to the Geneva Conventions. All this other guff is a weak effort to cover your sorry misinformed ass.

[manu1959]

I'm questioning your ability to hang your trousers on your own goddamned peg.
You stated that the US and Israel aren't signatories to the Geneva Conventions. All this other guff is a weak effort to cover your sorry misinformed ass.

is palestine a signatory......

how about the hamas....hezbolah.... taliban.....al queda....iran......afganistan.....iraq....

[moon]

" It's the bell-boy with some red-herring, dear, would you like some " ?

" Nah, tastes like manure. Geez, is that elephant guff I smell "

[manu1959]

" It's the bell-boy with some red-herring, dear, would you like some " ?

" Nah, tastes like manure. Geez, is that elephant guff I smell "

so let me see .... israel has to abide by the rules but your boys don't .....

tough shit dude .... you all started a street fight and now that you are getting your ass kicked .... again ..... you suddenly want a referee and marqus of queensbury rules ..... you all are nothing more than bullies ..... you are getting exactly what you deserve .... you wanted a fight .... you got one .... did you really think you could launch rockets into israel until one day israel said ok here are the keys to the country we are leaving .....

international law created israel .... they own it ... if you want it ... take it .... if you try to take it ..... be prepared for the consequences .....

[Yurt]

so let me see .... israel has to abide by the rules but your boys don't .....

tough shit dude .... you all started a street fight and now that you are getting your ass kicked .... again ..... you suddenly want a referee and marqus of queensbury rules ..... you all are nothing more than bullies ..... you are getting exactly what you deserve .... you wanted a fight .... you got one .... did you really think you could launch rockets into israel until one day israel said ok here are the keys to the country we are leaving .....

international law created israel .... they own it ... if you want it ... take it .... if you try to take it ..... be prepared for the consequences .....

:clap:

[Classact]

I'm questioning your ability to hang your trousers on your own goddamned peg.
You stated that the US and Israel aren't signatories to the Geneva Conventions. All this other guff is a weak effort to cover your sorry misinformed ass.Did not,


The US and Israel are not signatures of these protocols... we reserve the right to treat Unlawful Combatants {terrorists} as terrorists under the authority of the Laws of Land Warfare and the GC of 1949 which states a hearing and a firing squad if found guilty of fighting out of uniform or combating innocent civilians.http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=337296&postcount=68

[moon]

Classact;

Did not,

Oh really. What's this then ?


Quote:The Fourth Geneva Convention, Art 47, clearly states...

Classact;
Quote:The US and Israel are not signatures of these protocols...

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=337301#post337301


Well now, that's your trousers gone. You going to hang your underpants on your own peg ?

Mind if I call you 'Crassact' ? It's more fitting.

[avatar4321]

Classact;


Oh really. What's this then ?




Well now, that's your trousers gone. You going to hang your underpants on your own peg ?

Mind if I call you 'Crassact' ? It's more fitting.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between the conventions and the protocols.

[moon]

The discussion clearly centred on the Conventions themselves. Crassact's bit of 'protocols' gaffer tape is just his figleaf. Yours too, by the look of it.

Still, a description of the Conventions and ensuing Protocols would certainly make for novel reading around here. Please elaborate.

[avatar4321]

The discussion clearly centred on the Conventions themselves. Crassact's bit of 'protocols' gaffer tape is just his figleaf. Yours too, by the look of it.

Still, a description of the Conventions and ensuing Protocols would certainly make for novel reading around here. Please elaborate.

Imagine that. Someone changing the topic in the middle of things. I guess you've never done that before. It's not like we were having a conversation, just a few days ago, on the jurisdiction of the international criminal court and you changed in the middle of the discussion.

You know they have words for people who pretend to be outraged at things they do. They are nice words.

[Classact]

The UN established the nation of Israel and assigned England and France to manage disputes between Arabs and the Jewish people within the UN established Jewish Reservation and England and France produced an epic fail.

It was England and France that was to manage the Israel project and the ME, both initiatives were based on Western Europe’s problems, the Jews because of Germany’s actions in WWII and the need to maintain a secure energy source should WWIII or continent war start requiring armies of Western Europe/allies to have access to the energy necessary to fight the war.

The US became involved in Israel about the same time it became interested in the Middle East. Israel was of interest to the Democratic Party due to dual citizenship of Jewish citizens that could determine the outcome of American elections as the Republican Party gained popularity. The Middle East became an interest at the same time because the US was forced to import oil from the ME due to the Democratic Party associating itself with environmental lobby resulting in federal law that restricted development and exploitation of domestic oil. It was in the interest of the Democratic Party to keep Israel happy and it was in the interest of America to maintain the power balance in the ME to assure our domestic energy needs were met. Both of these actions point back to England, France and the Democratic Party.

Was the UN a failure from the very beginning? Why were England and France chosen to manage Israel, I can see them being chosen to manage power in the ME oil states but Israel? Why not Canada, Australia, Austria and Switzerland to manage Israel since they weren’t so busy in the Korean Conflict or recovery from WWII homeland recovery? Epic FAIL, and an epic fail at the direction of the members of the UN Security Council that could have resolved the matter before it had a chance to fester.

[moon]

Imagine that. Someone changing the topic in the middle of things

That's a straw the current took out of your reach.

[moon]

Crassact;

The UN established the nation of Israel

Wrong. Tell him, avatarget, you like to make like you're an international law buffoon. Get a move on though because his underpants are just about to fall of his peg.

[Classact]

Crassact;


Wrong. Tell him, avatarget, you like to make like you're an international law buffoon. Get a move on though because his underpants are just about to fall of his peg.What, the UN established Israel under the British mandate that expired and Israel, under international law proclaimed statehood after being attacked by all Arab states and kicking their butts. You questioning this? http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/vCouncilRes!OpenView&Start=1&Count=100&Expand=52#52

and this http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Dec_of_Indep.html

and this http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/a06f2943c226015c85256c40005d359c/83e8c29db812a4e9852560e50067a5ac!OpenDocument

[avatar4321]

What, the UN established Israel under the British mandate that expired and Israel, under international law proclaimed statehood after being attacked by all Arab states and kicking their butts. You questioning this? http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/vCouncilRes!OpenView&Start=1&Count=100&Expand=52#52

and this http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Dec_of_Indep.html

and this http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/a06f2943c226015c85256c40005d359c/83e8c29db812a4e9852560e50067a5ac!OpenDocument

i didnt understand him either if it makes you feel better.

[manu1959]

Crassact;


Wrong. Tell him, avatarget, you like to make like you're an international law buffoon. Get a move on though because his underpants are just about to fall of his peg.

wrong.....may 1948 israel and palestine were established by the un.....you have even stated on this board that this was the case......

[Kathianne]

Just got to say, as of 10:15 pm CST there is not enough stories to rate blank on Yahoo News regarding Israel/Palestinian. Tells all of us something.

[moon]

Just got to say, as of 10:15 pm CST there is not enough stories to rate blank on Yahoo News regarding Israel/Palestinian. Tells all of us something.

You maybe missed the UN Security Council demand for a cessation of hostilities, the Zionists ignoring that , legally binding, demand and the IOF admitting that shelling the UNited Nations facilities was ' a mistake'. None of these items would have been seen as significant ? No, probably not.


wrong.....may 1948 israel and palestine were established by the un.....you have even stated on this board that this was the case......
...and....


What, the UN established Israel under the British mandate that expired and Israel, under international law proclaimed statehood after being attacked by all Arab states and kicking their butts. You questioning this? http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/vCo...0&Expand=52#52

and this http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/..._of_Indep.html

and this http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/a06...c!OpenDocument

You ought to follow more closely. Try making notes, not regurgitating, incorrectly, propaganda from the Virtual Library.

The Partition Resolution, 181 was in 1947, not '48. It was rejected by the Arab States but passed by majority ( that's called 'democracy', a system of governance that the US once respected ). However, the passage of 181 didn't of itself give legitimacy to an Israeli State, no, that is due to "the proper exercise by Great Britain of its League of Nations' Mandatory Power over the territory of Palestine." I noted this technicality earlier, but you may have missed it. Israel declared Statehood in 1948, following months of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The Arab League didn't form to meet Israel's aggression until May of 1948, well after the Zionist terror gangs had murdered and displaced many thousands of Palestinians.

[Classact]

You maybe missed the UN Security Council demand for a cessation of hostilities, the Zionists ignoring that , legally binding, demand and the IOF admitting that shelling the UNited Nations facilities was ' a mistake'. None of these items would have been seen as significant ? No, probably not.


...and....



You ought to follow more closely. Try making notes, not regurgitating, incorrectly, propaganda from the Virtual Library.

The Partition Resolution, 181 was in 1947, not '48. It was rejected by the Arab States but passed by majority ( that's called 'democracy', a system of governance that the US once respected ). However, the passage of 181 didn't of itself give legitimacy to an Israeli State, no, that is due to "the proper exercise by Great Britain of its League of Nations' Mandatory Power over the territory of Palestine." I noted this technicality earlier, but you may have missed it. Israel declared Statehood in 1948, following months of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The Arab League didn't form to meet Israel's aggression until May of 1948, well after the Zionist terror gangs had murdered and displaced many thousands of Palestinians.Really? What explains this SC statement:

42 (1948). Resolution of 5 March 1948

[S/691]


The Security Council,

Having received General Assembly resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947 on Palestine, and having received from the United Nations Palestine Commission its first monthly report 1/ and its final special report on the problem of security in Palestine,

1. Resolves to call on the permanent members of the Council to consult and to inform the Security Council regarding the situation with respect to Palestine and to make, as the result of such consultations, recommendations to it regarding the guidance and instructions which the Council might usefully give to the Palestine Commission with a view to implementing the resolution of the General Assembly. The Security Council requests the permanent members to report to it on the results of their consultations within ten days;

2. Appeals to all Governments and peoples, particularly in and around Palestine, to take all possible action to prevent or reduce such disorders as are now occurring in Palestine.If you look at the UN SC link I provided there were several resolutions prior to Israel declaring statehood involving Arab neighbors. GB exited stage left as the war was a sure thing leaving Israel to be destroyed by the entire Arab coolition... when GB made their exit Israel became a state, a state that GB and France thought would be destroyed in the days following based on the Arab intentions already posed.

[Classact]

Yo Moon

The Palestinian Islamist have always tried to get along with their Jewish neighbors and here are some examples

The Arab Higher Committee boycotted the Commission explaining that the Palestinian Arab's natural rights were self-evident and cannot continue to be subject to investigation, but rather deserve to be recognized on the basis of the principles of the United Nations Charter.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nation...ee_on_Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Special_Committee_on_Palestine) and

The 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine was an uprising, which lasted from 1936 to 1939, by Arabs in the British Mandate of Palestine. It should not be confused with the Arab Revolt of 1916–18. The revolt was unsuccessful but its outcomes had influence on the 1948 Palestine war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%93...lt_in_Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine)

Why so serious?

[FSUK]

why cant the bully state of israel, understand that their brutal massacres will not bring them peace and security.?. I mean, do they honestly think they can remove the threat of hamas rockets, as they seem to be killing kids and innocent populations. There is not military solution to this conflict, however israel seems to think it can kill a few 600 people in 7 days, and think it can achieve peace? do they fucking think thats going to bring them security?

I want to see peace in the middle east, a secure israel co-existing with with a free and secure palestine. However, israels terrorist actions, will only bring them more terror from hamas. why cant they fucking see that.

[Classact]

why cant the bully state of israel, understand that their brutal massacres will not bring them peace and security.?. I mean, do they honestly think they can remove the threat of hamas rockets, as they seem to be killing kids and innocent populations. There is not military solution to this conflict, however israel seems to think it can kill a few 600 people in 7 days, and think it can achieve peace? do they fucking think thats going to bring them security?

I want to see peace in the middle east, a secure israel co-existing with with a free and secure palestine. However, israels terrorist actions, will only bring them more terror from hamas. why cant they fucking see that.What would you recommend Israel do? If they would return one for one rockets into civilian population of Palestine they would be equal terrorists... should they suck it up or what?

[namvet]

why cant the bully state of israel, understand that their brutal massacres will not bring them peace and security.?. I mean, do they honestly think they can remove the threat of hamas rockets, as they seem to be killing kids and innocent populations. There is not military solution to this conflict, however israel seems to think it can kill a few 600 people in 7 days, and think it can achieve peace? do they fucking think thats going to bring them security?

I want to see peace in the middle east, a secure israel co-existing with with a free and secure palestine. However, israels terrorist actions, will only bring them more terror from hamas. why cant they fucking see that.


I want to see peace in the middle east, a secure israel co-existing with with a free and secure palestine. However, israels terrorist actions, will only bring them more terror from hamas. why cant they fucking see that
what planet do you live on????

[namvet]

Hamas Leader Calls Israeli Attacks 'Holocaust,' Says Negotiations Are Over

a Muslim Holocaust. like the sound of that. go thru em like shit thru a goose !!!!


Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal gave a fiery speech on the Arabic news channel Al-Jazeera condemning Israel's attack on the Gaza Strip, describing it as a "holocaust."


link (link)

[FSUK]

i agree that it is a holocaust in gaza at the moment, oh but wait a second, the israelis are conducting it, so we cant even say word of criticism.otherwise some people on this forum suddenly feel they have to defend the terror state of israel.

Where the fuck are your morals??, 800 people are dead, how many israelis have died? where is the proportionate response?.

fucking idiots, a bunch of racist ignorant narrow minded right wingers.lacking any sense of reality, you can love israel, but at least point out when they are conducting slaughters of 800 people.

[Kathianne]

i agree that it is a holocaust in gaza at the moment, oh but wait a second, the israelis are conducting it, so we cant even say word of criticism.otherwise some people on this forum suddenly feel they have to defend the terror state of israel.

Where the fuck are your morals??, 800 people are dead, how many israelis have died? where is the proportionate response?.

fucking idiots, a bunch of racist ignorant narrow minded right wingers.lacking any sense of reality, you can love israel, but at least point out when they are conducting slaughters of 800 people.

Right, Hamas is sitting back...

[Mr. P]

i agree that it is a holocaust in gaza at the moment, oh but wait a second, the israelis are conducting it, so we cant even say word of criticism.otherwise some people on this forum suddenly feel they have to defend the terror state of israel.

Where the fuck are your morals??, 800 people are dead, how many israelis have died? where is the proportionate response?.

fucking idiots, a bunch of racist ignorant narrow minded right wingers.lacking any sense of reality, you can love israel, but at least point out when they are conducting slaughters of 800 people.

Who bombed the tube DIPSHIT?

[FSUK]

Right, Hamas is sitting back...

so tell me how many israelis, did hamas kill in the past 3 years?.

And how many has israel butcherd in 7 days?

and the israeli terror state expects security? they seem to add fuel to the fire, i want to see peace. but, israel keeps fucking it up.

[FSUK]

Who bombed the tube DIPSHIT?

tube? in london? well, not fucking hamas! they were uk fanatics.

[Kathianne]

so tell me how many israelis, did hamas kill in the past 3 years?.

And how many has israel butcherd in 7 days?

and the israeli terror state expects security? they seem to add fuel to the fire, i want to see peace. but, israel keeps fucking it up.

Do you really believe that success is something to be punished? It's a freakin' war and your side is more than inept, though we all understand their heart is in the right place.

[namvet]

so tell me how many israelis, did hamas kill in the past 3 years?.

And how many has israel butcherd in 7 days?

and the israeli terror state expects security? they seem to add fuel to the fire, i want to see peace. but, israel keeps fucking it up.


so tell me how many israelis, did hamas kill in the past 3 years?


we don't know. your mal practicing left wing fuck ups never report any. only muslims

[Mr. P]

tube? in london? well, not fucking hamas! they were uk fanatics.

But NOT Israelis..huh? Nope. Muslims! Get IT?

[namvet]

wonder if he's related to moon????

[5stringJeff]

i agree that it is a holocaust in gaza at the moment, oh but wait a second, the israelis are conducting it, so we cant even say word of criticism.otherwise some people on this forum suddenly feel they have to defend the terror state of israel.

Where the fuck are your morals??, 800 people are dead, how many israelis have died? where is the proportionate response?.

fucking idiots, a bunch of racist ignorant narrow minded right wingers.lacking any sense of reality, you can love israel, but at least point out when they are conducting slaughters of 800 people.

Proportionate response has nothing to do with the number of casualties. It has everything to do with the means and methods of waging war.

And the Palestinian casualties would be a lot lower if Hamas wouldn't hide in the civilian population.

[Mr. P]

Proportionate response has nothing to do with the number of casualties. It has everything to do with the means and methods of waging war.

And the Palestinian casualties would be a lot lower if Hamas wouldn't hide in the civilian population.

The hating liberals "peace at your cost" folks just don't get it, Jeff.

[Kathianne]

Proportionate response has nothing to do with the number of casualties. It has everything to do with the means and methods of waging war.

And the Palestinian casualties would be a lot lower if Hamas wouldn't hide in the civilian population.

The civilian casualties would be close to none, but heh, that wouldn't work for Hamas.

[Mr. P]

If yer have an infection do you just take meds to feel better or to kill the infection?

[Yurt]

Proportionate response has nothing to do with the number of casualties. It has everything to do with the means and methods of waging war.

And the Palestinian casualties would be a lot lower if Hamas wouldn't hide in the civilian population.

fsuk:

jeff is absolutely right, why does hamas hide among civilians.... it really amazes me when folks like you throw out the word holocaust to describe israel's RESPONSE to hamas or otherwise... the holocaust did not attempt at all to discriminate between civilians, because the holocaust simply went into jewish homes and rounded up EVERYONE they could identify as jews. think for a minute, if israel truly was conducting a holocaust, then they would simply obliterate the entire area with thousands of bombs or else go into EVERYONE'S home and take them and put them in concentration camps then gas them, starve them, rape them, do horrible experiments on them....

[FSUK]

But NOT Israelis..huh? Nope. Muslims! Get IT?

so whats your fucking point hahahaaha, ridiculous!.

please go and read and educate yourself on the issues.

[FSUK]

fsuk:

jeff is absolutely right, why does hamas hide among civilians.... it really amazes me when folks like you throw out the word holocaust to describe israel's RESPONSE to hamas or otherwise... the holocaust did not attempt at all to discriminate between civilians, because the holocaust simply went into jewish homes and rounded up EVERYONE they could identify as jews. think for a minute, if israel truly was conducting a holocaust, then they would simply obliterate the entire area with thousands of bombs or else go into EVERYONE'S home and take them and put them in concentration camps then gas them, starve them, rape them, do horrible experiments on them....

yurt- they killing hundreds of innocent civillians! havent you seen pics of countless number of dead kinds on the internet?. gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth, if israel had some humilty, they would not bomb from the air, bomb schools or use white phosporous.

they are butchers, they dont give a shit about innocent lives. trust me they dont, the whole world is condemning israel, except for their lover nations such as USA, UK etc.

[FSUK]

If yer have an infection do you just take meds to feel better or to kill the infection?

yeah but an infection is caused by a virus or bacteria. You cant compare an infection to a baby girl, to a mother, family of innocent people. thats the problem you guys and israel terrorists dont give a shit about non jewish blood.and its a fact. i mean pales blood is obviously worth less than jewish blood.

[namvet]

yurt- they killing hundreds of innocent civillians! havent you seen pics of countless number of dead kinds on the internet?. gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth, if israel had some humilty, they would not bomb from the air, bomb schools or use white phosporous.

they are butchers, they dont give a shit about innocent lives. trust me they dont, the whole world is condemning israel, except for their lover nations such as USA, UK etc.


they are butchers, they dont give a shit about innocent lives. trust me they dont, the whole world is condemning israel, except for their lover nations such as USA, UK etc

liberal your so full a shit the whites of your eyes are dark brown.

[Kathianne]

yurt- they killing hundreds of innocent civillians! havent you seen pics of countless number of dead kinds on the internet?. gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth, if israel had some humilty, they would not bomb from the air, bomb schools or use white phosporous.

they are butchers, they dont give a shit about innocent lives. trust me they dont, the whole world is condemning israel, except for their lover nations such as USA, UK etc.

Only because Hamas hides among them, from all reports willingly.

[Yurt]

yurt- they killing hundreds of innocent civillians! havent you seen pics of countless number of dead kinds on the internet?. gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth, if israel had some humilty, they would not bomb from the air, bomb schools or use white phosporous.

they are butchers, they dont give a shit about innocent lives. trust me they dont, the whole world is condemning israel, except for their lover nations such as USA, UK etc.

hundreds? and you compare that to the holocaust? you talk about proportionality....yet you compare hundreds to the holocaust....how is that proportionate?

further, during the cease fire, did israel go into gaza and round up 'hundreds' of gazans and put them on trains? for that matter, how about now, during the war?

do you deny that in war innocent civilians get killed? do deny that muslims have been responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?

[Mr. P]

yeah but an infection is caused by a virus or bacteria. You cant compare an infection to a baby girl, to a mother, family of innocent people. thats the problem you guys and israel terrorists dont give a shit about non jewish blood.and its a fact. i mean pales blood is obviously worth less than jewish blood.

But I can and do compare Hamas and radical Muslims to an INFECTION.

[FSUK]

But I can and do compare Hamas and radical Muslims to an INFECTION.

The so called infection has been caused due to immoral,inhumane and racist policies by the terror government of israel. These so called infections didnt just appear for no reason, everyone seemes to turn a blind eye to the injustices.

[Mr. P]

The so called infection has been caused due to immoral,inhumane and racist policies by the terror government of israel. These so called infections didnt just appear for no reason, everyone seemes to turn a blind eye to the injustices.

The infection is called "ISLAM".

Muhammad commanded that Jews and Christians be killed unless they paid a tax or converted. Muslims are killing all over the world due to this command, it has NOTHING to do with Israel, except that Israel exists as a non-Islamic state.

ISLAM is a religion gone wild, with a goal of world domination through violence and TERRORISM.

[namvet]

The infection is called "ISLAM".

Muhammad commanded that Jews and Christians be killed unless they paid a tax or converted. Muslims are killing all over the world due to this command, it has NOTHING to do with Israel, except that Israel exists as a non-Islamic state.

ISLAM is a religion gone wild, with a goal of world domination through violence and TERRORISM.

and their dicks. :laugh2: