military Wary About Obama

[namvet]

More than half of active-duty U.S. service members feel uncertain or pessimistic about President-elect Obama as commander in chief, according to a Military Times survey.

Six out of 10 Americans in uniform are concerned about Obama's lack of military experience and their perceived difference in his mission and values from that of Bush.


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more than half. but will they stay in or bail out???? its a virus that can run thru an Army and destroy its will to win. or even survive

[stephanie]

as well they should be..
there are a whole hell of a lot of people wary of the the little Marxist..

[namvet]

pre election I got a mail from an officer i served with in Nam. he told me at that time over 25% of all serving line Officers were considering retirement or resignation. that's appalling.

[Noir]

well the answer is a simple one, if you do not believe in your commander then leave, as yur lack of belief all bring down those around you aswell, and why would you want to be n a job if you don't like the boss?

[stephanie]

well the answer is a simple one, if you do not believe in your commander then leave, as your lack of belief all bring down those around you aswell, and why would you want to be n a job if you don't like the boss?

I'm not sure you have the right to tell us that, since you don't live here..if I recall you couldn't stand your government for going into Iraq..did you leave??

sorry dear, but you need to look at whats happening to your country..it has a LOT OF PROBLEMS...:beer:

[Kathianne]

well the answer is a simple one, if you do not believe in your commander then leave, as yur lack of belief all bring down those around you aswell, and why would you want to be n a job if you don't like the boss?

If they feel the same at re-enlistment time, I'm sure they will. Until then they'll do their jobs.

[Noir]

I'm not sure you have the right to tell us that, since you don't live here..if I recall you couldn't stand your government for going into Iraq..did you leave??

sorry dear, but you need to look at whats happening to your country..it has a LOT OF PROBLEMS...:beer:

I am not talking about leaving the country, I am saying that if you are in the army, and unhappy with your CIC then you should leave the army.

Also as a side note, I was angery that the fverment lied to us, for example the 45 minute claim, whicheant we never had a proper debate on invading Iraq, we nvadwd out of public fear spawned by lies, but that is for another topic.

[stephanie]

I am not talking about leaving the country, I am saying that if you are in the army, and unhappy with your CIC then you should leave the army.

Also as a side note, I was angery that the fverment lied to us, for example the 45 minute claim, whicheant we never had a proper debate on invading Iraq, we nvadwd out of public fear spawned by lies, but that is for another topic.

you are right, I read your post wrong..my bad..:cheers2:

[Gaffer]

Just like the carter years. The military is going to lose a lot of good people. Saw it happen back then, as I was one of them.

Defense budget will be cut in favor of social programs. Enlistment bonuses will be eliminated. Numbers of active duty personnel will be reduced. Bases will be closed.

[Mr. P]

Just like the carter years. The military is going to lose a lot of good people. Saw it happen back then, as I was one of them.

Defense budget will be cut in favor of social programs. Enlistment bonuses will be eliminated. Numbers of active duty personnel will be reduced. Bases will be closed.

Me too Gaffer.

[stephanie]

we are heading for some deep doo doo in this country..

hope we can survive it..

stock up on supplies and lots of ammo..

[red states rule]

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[namvet]

Just like the carter years. The military is going to lose a lot of good people. Saw it happen back then, as I was one of them.

Defense budget will be cut in favor of social programs. Enlistment bonuses will be eliminated. Numbers of active duty personnel will be reduced. Bases will be closed.

I saw it to. after his disastrous rescue attempt people back then said we should have let the Israelis do it.

[red states rule]

Nothing like the left showing how they really feel about the US military


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[5stringJeff]

The military survived the Clinton years. It will survive the Obama years.

Not to mention, if the US military has fewer missions (i.e. not fighting wars), shouldn't it get less funding?

[PostmodernProphet]

well the answer is a simple one, if you do not believe in your commander then leave, as yur lack of belief all bring down those around you aswell, and why would you want to be n a job if you don't like the boss?

why?, so our military can be as ineffective as some European army?.....

[Gaffer]

The military survived the Clinton years. It will survive the Obama years.

Not to mention, if the US military has fewer missions (i.e. not fighting wars), shouldn't it get less funding?

The military will survive. It's effectiveness and ability to fight wars will be greatly decreased though.

[Des]

In all fairness, the military is full of a lot of the same conspiracy-theory believing type far right people as here, so it would only make sense that they would be "wary" of Obama. :)

[namvet]

from Army times (Army times)


“Being that the Marine Corps can be sent anywhere in the world with the snap of his fingers, nobody has confidence in this guy as commander in chief,” said one lance corporal who asked not to be identified.

For eight years, members of the U.S. military have served under a Republican commander in chief who reflected their generally conservative views and led them to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Now, the troops face change not only at the very top of the chain of command, as Obama nears his Jan. 20 inauguration, but perhaps in mission, policy and values.

[LiberalNation]

Its a poll of active duty personnel who are subscribers of a magazine. It doesn't represent a true cross-section of the military.

[Kathianne]

Its a poll of active duty personnel who are subscribers of a magazine. It doesn't represent a true cross-section of the military.

Whatever you say, genius.

[stephanie]

In all fairness, the military is full of a lot of the same conspiracy-theory believing type far right people as here, so it would only make sense that they would be "wary" of Obama. :)

so, now the people who are wary of the little Marxist is a conspiracy theorist??

but I thought we were all a racist if we are wary of him...

I'm so confused, what am I???

:rolleyes:

[LiberalNation]

Whatever you say, genius.
so you think the subscriber to this mag represent a true cross of a very diverse, military that include muslims, pagan, minorities, democrats, ect.


The findings are part of the sixth annual Military Times survey of subscribers to Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times newspapers. This year’s survey, conducted Dec. 1 through Dec. 8, included more than 1,900 active-duty respondents.

[Kathianne]

so you think the subscriber to this mag represent a true cross of a very diverse, military that include muslims, pagan, minorities, democrats, ect.

Actually I think the response was typical of the typical subscriber, not the minority subscriber. Why do you think differently?

[LiberalNation]

I didn't say subscriber i said military as a whole which ya'll are takin this poll to represent.

[Mr. P]

I didn't say subscriber i said military as a whole which ya'll are takin this poll to represent.

Read your post again, LN. :slap:

[LiberalNation]

for people constantly disavowing polls ya'll sure are into this one as well....

[Mr. P]

for people constantly disavowing polls ya'll sure are into this one as well....

Not me...it's NOT a true reflection of the entire military force.

1900 respondents ain't shit in the big picture.

[emmett]

I was in carter's military too after volunteering while Ford was president. I was not big on serving under Carter as many of the respondants in this survey. What did I do? Served, turned down a 15,000 SRB and got out!

In retrospect, one could easily compare the prospective adminstration of Obama and carter's. Situational circumstances are similar. The biggest difference being of course that Carter did not inherit a war...... thank God! He couldn't even handle a hostage situation in .... funny.... it was Iran if I remember correctly, so serving under him was tough, knowing that he would probably compromise the security of America, unknowingly of course, I always believed JC meant well, as I think Obama does, I just think their positions are weak.

A young man in the military is taught the ways of being a soldier, sailor etc,... In doing so there must be a certain expectation that they are being led by strength. I remember very well my own questions in my mind while serving as to whether our president would make the right decisions in certain circumstances. I also remember quite well the instances when we were routinely intimidated by Russians, both in relations and militarily. There were many many close calls at sea that people today do not realize.

Obama would be a nightmare to serve under to me.

[PostmodernProphet]

polls or not, it is entirely logical for someone who has decided to make the military a career to be suspicious of a candidate who ran on the promise to cut military spending......

[Noir]

why?, so our military can be as ineffective as some European army?.....

Why? Because if you are not happy with your CIC you should not be fighting for them, and your low moral could also effect the men around you.

[namvet]

Its a poll of active duty personnel who are subscribers of a magazine. It doesn't represent a true cross-section of the military.

how can you possibly know what they think???? did your conduct your own interview of ALL branch's ????? their not fighting for freedom. their fighting for socialism which they swore to defend against. I'D give the gun and uniform back and tell em to stick it

[PostmodernProphet]

Why? Because if you are not happy with your CIC you should not be fighting for them, and your low moral could also effect the men around you.

the net result is that all personnel who think the military should be an effective fighting force leave and all that think the military should be an employer of last result for the unemployable stay......voila, a European army!......

[Noir]

the net result is that all personnel who think the military should be an effective fighting force leave and all that think the military should be an employer of last result for the unemployable stay......voila, a European army!......

Hey look, I'm just giving my 2 cents, if folk say they would not be happy with obbama as their commander then they should leave.

As for this dis-respecting of the men and women of Europe, I do t know enough to comment on the French army, or the German, or any of the other nations of Europe ( as it seems you do) but I can account for the British army, and they are highly respected and are hard working, to hear you speak of them in such degrading terms is most insuling, not to mention arragont and ignorant.

[PostmodernProphet]

you're not as far gone....shucks, it was years before they even let you think about joining the EU....they don't consider you European either.....

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

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more than half. but will they stay in or bail out???? its a virus that can run thru an Army and destroy its will to win. or even survive OLD obama might just beat Bill the Zipper Clinton as most disliked CIC

[namvet]

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anyway you slice it............we're in deep shit here............