Bush demands war bill with no strings

[LiberalNation]

and he isn't in any position to demand that. Congress is the one that holds the purse strings and if he wants that money he's going to have to go along with conditions it sets. Hope the dems stick to their guns on this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070328/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq;_ylt=AktG6ucUeo62B3ULQRbQHb134T0D

[QUOTE]WASHINGTON - President Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress lurched toward a veto showdown over Iraq on Wednesday, the commander in chief demanding a replenishment of war funding with no strings and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) counseling him, "Calm down with the threats."

Bush said imposition of a"specific and random date of withdrawal would be disastrous" for U.S. troops in Iraq and he predicted that lawmakers would take the blame if the money ran short.

"The clock is ticking for our troops in the field," he said. "If Congress fails to pass a bill to fund our troops on the front lines, the American people will know who to hold responsible."

Bush spoke as the Senate moved toward passage of legislation that would require the beginning of a troop withdrawal within 120 days, and would set a goal of March 31, 2008, for its completion.

The House approved a more sweeping measure last week, including a mandatory withdrawal deadline for nearly all combat troops of Sept. 1, 2008.

Both bills would provide more than $90 billion to sustain military efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

After passage, the next step would be a House-Senate compromise measure almost certain to include conditions that Bush has said he finds objectionable, and the president's remarks seemed designed to lay the political groundwork for a veto showdown with the new Democratic majority later this spring.

Confidently predicting his veto would be sustained in Congress, he said, "Funding for our forces in Iraq will begin to run out in mid-April. Members of Congress need to stop making political statements, and start providing vital funds for our troops. They need to get that bill to my desk so I can sign it into law."

One key Democrat with longtime ties to the Pentagon, Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record), D-Pa., said Bush was exaggerating, and he estimated the real deadline for a fresh infusion of funds was June 1.

Gordon Adams, a former Clinton administration official specializing in defense issues, said the Pentagon has authority to transfer existing funds between accounts. "So into June, while it's painful, it's possible" for the military to maintain operations, he said.

Democratic leaders, determined to force Bush to change course in Iraq, also disputed his contention that Congress would be to blame for any funding difficulties in a war they have vowed to end.

"Why doesn't he get real with what's going on with the world?" said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev. "We're not holding up funding in Iraq and he knows that. Why doesn't he deal with the real issues facing the American people?"

Pelosi responded to Bush with a blend of conciliation and challenge.

"On this very important matter, I would extend a hand of friendship to the president, just to say to him, 'Calm down with the threats," she said. "There's a new Congress in town. We accept your constitutional role. We want you to accept ours."

Democrats took control of Congress in January after elections framed by voter dissatisfaction over a war that has now claimed the lives of more than 3,200 U.S. troops and cost more than $350 billion.

"This war must end. The American people have lost faith in the president's conduct of the war. Let's see how we can work together," added Pelosi, D-Calif.

Whatever the outcome, the confrontation bore similarities to a veto fight of a dozen years ago. At the time, a new, Republican-controlled Congress promised steep spending cutbacks to balance the budget, and a politically weakened president of the other party refused to go along.

A pair of government shutdowns ensued — including one that lasted 21 days — and Republicans bore the brunt of the public's unhappiness. In the end, the new GOP majority surrendered, and Bill Clinton exploited the episode to help rehabilitate his standing with the voters.

Apart from the Iraq provisions, the Senate legislation includes about $20 billion in domestic spending that Bush did not ask for. Republicans readied an attempt to strip out much of it, and Bush listed it as among the bill's objectionable features.

"Here's the bottom line: The House and Senate bills have too much pork," he said. He got a laugh at lawmakers' expense when he said $3.5 million was included "for visitors to tour the Capitol and see for themselves how Congress works." The funds are for a new underground Capitol visitor center, over-budget and still incomplete years after its initial target date.

Congress seemed to have little appetite for curbing spending, though.

A few hours after the president spoke, the Senate voted 75-22 in favor of a proposal by Ron Wyden (news, bio, voting record), D-Ore. to extend payments that rural counties receive to make up for the loss of revenue from federal lands. The cost was about $5 billion, to be financed by increased penalties for taxpayers who provide false information to the IRS.

The Senate bill also contains previously passed legislation to raise the minimum wage by $2.10 in three steps, along with $12 billion in tax cuts. That was well above the $8.3 billion in tax cuts that cleared the Senate earlier this year — a level that Pelosi and House Democrats have deemed excessive.

[Little-Acorn]

Another mislabeled post, no surprise. Bush isn't demanding bills with "no strings". He's simply demanding one without abject surrender included.

So far, the Democrat majorities seem unwilling to supply one.

[Gaffer]

Another mislabeled post, no surprise. Bush isn't demanding bills with "no strings". He's simply demanding one without abject surrender included.

So far, the Democrat majorities seem unwilling to supply one.

Very true. No surrender no retreat.

[stephanie]

President Bush should Veto this bill, and shout it loud and clear why, so the American people will see the games that the Democrats are playing with our soldiers lives...



:pee:

[LiberalNation]

He'll probably veto it, sure but then all they have to do is make a new bill with slightly different restriction and send it back to hom to veto again. All the while no money is being sent to fund the war.

[Gaffer]

President Bush should Veto this bill, and shout it loud and clear why, so the American people will see the games that the Democrats are playing with our soldiers lives...



:pee:

Exactly, which is what he often fails to do. He should take advantage of exposing them for what they are.

[stephanie]

He'll probably veto it, sure but then all they have to do is make a new bill with slightly different restriction and send it back to hom to veto again. All the while no money is being sent to fund the war.


As I said.........Playing games with our soldiers lives...
And you and every Democrat support this...No real surprise, though..

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Bush has had a rubber stamp Congress for so long he has no clue how to deal with a Congress that won't do his bidding. This Congress was elected to stop the war. Bush showed his distain for that by escalating the war after they were elected and now Congress is doing what they were elected to do: stop the war.

If Bush does veto this bill ho not only stops the funding but he throws a monkey wrench into dozens of other programs that have been waiting for this money since last summer. The DO NOTHING 109th Congress, led by incompetent Republicans, was supposed to take care of all these other things but failed to do so. Now the Democrats are cleaning up the mess and all the GOP and their Flying Chimp president can do is whine, whine and whine some more.

Veto the bill, George. Make it easy for us to take over in 2008.

[stephanie]

Bush has had a rubber stamp Congress for so long he has no clue how to deal with a Congress that won't do his bidding. This Congress was elected to stop the war. Bush showed his disdain for that by escalating the war after they were elected and now Congress is doing what they were elected to do: stop the war.

If Bush does veto this bill ho not only stops the funding but he throws a monkey wrench into dozens of other programs that have been waiting for this money since last summer. The DO NOTHING 109th Congress, led by incompetent Republicans, was supposed to take care of all these other things but failed to do so. Now the Democrats are cleaning up the mess and all the GOP and their Flying Chimp president can do is whine, whine and whine some more.

Veto the bill, George. Make it easy for us to take over in 2008.

So you don't mind.....That the Democrats are playing politics with our soldiers and Americans citizens lives who serve their country...
It's all about politics???
Talk about sad and pathetic...
What a way to have to try an win an election..
:salute:

[avatar4321]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask for a bill that is:

1)Constitutional
2)not filled with billions of Pork

[hawkeye]

So you don't mind.....That the Democrats are playing politics with our soldiers and Americans citizens lives who serve their country...
It's all about politics???
Talk about sad and pathetic...
What a way to have to try an win an election..
:salute:

Playing politics with our soldiers and Americans citizens’ lives who serve their country is exactly what Bush is doing. The Democrats want to end the war. That will save thousand of our troop’s lives over the next few years. It is now a civil war with no end in sight. The war is actually escalating. More of our troops have died in Iraq in the last 6 months than any other 6 month period since the war started. We need to stop putting our troop’s lives in harms way for a failed policy.

[Birdzeye]

President Bush should Veto this bill, and shout it loud and clear why, so the American people will see the games that the Democrats are playing with our soldiers lives...



:pee:


However, the majority of the people want us out, the sooner the better.

http://www.pollingreport.com/

I don't see how Bush could gain anything from the shout it out loud and clear strategery under those circumstances.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

So you don't mind.....That the Democrats are playing politics with our soldiers and Americans citizens lives who serve their country...
It's all about politics???
Talk about sad and pathetic...
What a way to have to try an win an election..
:salute:

Democrats already won the election. You're four months too late with your compliants about that. Remember, all you righties said after the election that it was conservative and moderate Democrats that got elected which put the Democrats back in power. Now they want to stop the war and bring the troops home. Where does that put YOU in all of this? On the fringe of the electorate with 33% support for a failed war, that's where.

George W Bush has been playing politics with our troops since Day One. Everything from sending troops to war without armored vehicles or body armor, to charging wounded soldiers for their chow hall meals, to preventing the press from covering the returning coffins from the war zone, to punishing the soldiers who spoke out and revealed the Building 18 mess at Walter Reed, to objecting to an increased death benefit proposed before the last Congress because John Kerry was the sponsor all add up to a person who is merely using the troops for his own personal aggrandizement. Take that bullshit charge that the Democrats are playing politics with our troops and run it up the flagpole at Fox Noise Channel because that's about the only place it will fly.

Democrats were elected to end the war. That's what they are doing. :slap:

[Baron Von Esslingen]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask for a bill that is:

1)Constitutional
2)not filled with billions of Pork

Were you pissing up a rope about it when the 109th DO NOTHING Congress passed nothing but bills filled with billions of pork and bills of questionable constitutionality? No, you were not.

After running roughshod over Democrats for six years now you are getting a taste of what it feels like not to be consulted and not to be considered when it comes time to actually pass legislation. Keep squealing about it. It's music to my ears.

[Gunny]

Bush demands war bill with no strings

I wouldn't care if he did. Each piece of legislation should have to stand on its own anyway, IMO. They'd think twice about funding pork if it was out in the open on its own.

[manu1959]

why do the dems want to quit?......why do they and their supporters want america to fail....

[TheStripey1]

So you don't mind.....That the Democrats are playing politics with our soldiers and Americans citizens lives who serve their country...
It's all about politics???
Talk about sad and pathetic...
What a way to have to try an win an election..
:salute:


Bringing the troops home NOW is HOW we are going to save THEIR lives... do you people really care about the lives of the Iraqis? Over those of our soldiers and marines? why?

There has been a lot of whining by bush and his apologists over the last couple of days about the pork added to the spending bill as if this is the first time... it's not...

Here's the lead-in to this year's spending bill, you know, the one left over from last year when the republican led congress failed to pass it:

Democrats Plan to Clean Up Spending Bills By Cutting Hometown Projects
Tuesday, December 12, 2006 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235999,00.html)

here's last year's:

The Beef Is In The Pork
Some Provisions In Supplemental Spending Bill Shock And Frustrate

WASHINGTON, May 4, 2006 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/04/politics/main1590210.shtml)

and the year before's:

BLOG | Posted 05/06/2005 @ 2:50pm
"Pork-Laden" Iraq Bill
(http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=2391)

and here's one from 2003 about 2004:

December 16, 2003
Omnibus Spending Bill Hikes Discretionary Spending by 9 Percent in 2004
(http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm385.cfm)

Now you can see I hope, that this is just the GOP trying to pull the wool over your eyes by saying that this porrrrrrrrrrrk is baaaaaaaaaaad...

So Mr and Ms Lurker, you have just got to ask yourself this question... if pork on the spending bills is so baaaaaaaaaad, why did bush sign them all the previous years

[Gunny]

why do the dems want to quit?......why do they and their supporters want america to fail....

So they can say "See, I told you so," and think that's going to vindicate their crap for the past few years. Once the smoke clears after a years after it did following Vietnam, they'll be seen as the cause again and won't understand why ...again.

[lily]

why do the dems want to quit?......why do they and their supporters want america to fail....

why do the repubs want to keep following the same leader that has led to this fiasco?.......why do they and their supporters want america to fail.....

[manu1959]

why do the repubs want to keep following the same leader that has led to this fiasco?.......why do they and their supporters want america to fail.....

man i was asking those same question during the blow job years.... when hundreds of thousands were being buthcered in rawanda, marines were being dragged through the streets in somalia, the cole was hit, kobar was hit, bali was hit, wtc I happened, shall i go on...

you see you all fucked up so bad that you must now scream that others are worse to make you feel better about how bad you fucked up....oh ya forgot the hundres of thousands in bosina..... bush decided to do something beside pulling a denny crane

[lily]

man i was asking those same question during the blow job years.... when hundreds of thousands were being buthcered in rawanda, marines were being dragged through the streets in somalia, the cole was hit, kobar was hit, bali was hit, wtc I happened, shall i go on...

you see you all fucked up so bad that you must now scream that others are worse to make you feel better about how bad you fucked up....oh ya forgot the hundres of thousands in bosina..... bush decided to do something beside pulling a denny crane

Oh the irony.........:lol:

[manu1959]

Oh the irony.........:lol:

facts are not ironic...

[Baron Von Esslingen]

So they can say "See, I told you so," and think that's going to vindicate their crap for the past few years. Once the smoke clears after a years after it did following Vietnam, they'll be seen as the cause again and won't understand why ...again.

Yeah, you keep believing that.

It's a real fucking shame that people who honestly think there is a different way to do things are castigated by the rightwingers who betray those principles that America was founded on with their unitary options. The only failure here is at the doorstep of George W Bush who forgot the lessons of Viet Nam in invading Iraq.

Wait... I take that back. He never LEARNED the lessons of VN and doomed us to repeat them all over again in the name of his father, his party and his ego. It's what happens when you only listen to one side, one philosophy, one dogma in running a country. Soon, you run that country into the ground. Thank yourselves for that. Leave the Liberals out of it.

[Gaffer]

Yeah, you keep believing that.

It's a real fucking shame that people who honestly think there is a different way to do things are castigated by the rightwingers who betray those principles that America was founded on with their unitary options. The only failure here is at the doorstep of George W Bush who forgot the lessons of Viet Nam in invading Iraq.

Wait... I take that back. He never LEARNED the lessons of VN and doomed us to repeat them all over again in the name of his father, his party and his ego. It's what happens when you only listen to one side, one philosophy, one dogma in running a country. Soon, you run that country into the ground. Thank yourselves for that. Leave the Liberals out of it.

It's a fucking shame that rhe libs don't have any options other than cut and run. That is the only option they have ever offered. Cut and run is FAILURE. That's all the libs want.

As for Vietnam, I really hate seeing that shit brought up by people who have no clue about what went on with that war. It had two fronts just like this one, the military front where we won. And the media and liberal front which sold us out. That is the only parallel between the two wars. We are back to the lies and truth twisting of the libs who's only goal is the defeat of the US in every way posible.

And useful idiots like yourself are here to spread the lies and try to convince people to side with you.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

It's a fucking shame that rhe libs don't have any options other than cut and run. That is the only option they have ever offered. Cut and run is FAILURE. That's all the libs want.

There are plenty of other options but all the neocons want to do is start wars they cannot finish, send all the volunteer soldiers to die while the neocons and their kin sit on their fat asses, work for war profiteers, cover for liars and thieves, and make friends with the Saudis who sent 15 of the 19 hijackers to attack our country. Backstabbing, ass-reaming republicans who are the chickenhawks of this and every other war we have fought in the last 40 years are the cause of all our FAILURES. Only the neocons cannot see it. 67% of the country has wised up.


As for Vietnam, I really hate seeing that shit brought up by people who have no clue about what went on with that war. It had two fronts just like this one, the military front where we won. And the media and liberal front which sold us out. That is the only parallel between the two wars. We are back to the lies and truth twisting of the libs who's only goal is the defeat of the US in every way posible.

If we won the military front, why did we leave? Simple. We did not win the military war or the war for the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese. It was a cluster fuck run by liars of every stripe and size. From Eisenhower to Ford, it was a disaster. Liberals didn't lose that war. The idiots in Washington who did not know how to fight an insurgency lost that war just like they are losing the war in Iraq.


And useful idiots like yourself are here to spread the lies and try to convince people to side with you.

And lying, retarded, delusional neocons like yourself are here trying to convince people that this is our war to fight. I'm sure you could hitch up with a contractor like KBR or Blackwater and put your sorry ass where your mouth is. There is no age limit for that fight. But you won't. I got money riding on that.

[avatar4321]

why do the repubs want to keep following the same leader that has led to this fiasco?.......why do they and their supporters want america to fail.....

Why do people seem to think eliminating a tyrant, establishing a constitutional government, and fighting killing terrorists daily is some sort of fiasco?

[avatar4321]

There are plenty of other options but all the neocons want to do is start wars they cannot finish, send all the volunteer soldiers to die while the neocons and their kin sit on their fat asses, work for war profiteers, cover for liars and thieves, and make friends with the Saudis who sent 15 of the 19 hijackers to attack our country. Backstabbing, ass-reaming republicans who are the chickenhawks of this and every other war we have fought in the last 40 years are the cause of all our FAILURES. Only the neocons cannot see it. 67% of the country has wised up.


Um.. Hello?! We are trying to freaking finish the war. or atleast this leg of the war (the war on terror will of course continue). But you guys make it difficult when you keep yelling for us to run away and raising the moral of our enemes.


If we won the military front, why did we leave? Simple. We did not win the military war or the war for the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese. It was a cluster fuck run by liars of every stripe and size. From Eisenhower to Ford, it was a disaster. Liberals didn't lose that war. The idiots in Washington who did not know how to fight an insurgency lost that war just like they are losing the war in Iraq.

The only reason the "war" was lost is because a bunch of cowards in Congress completely abandoned our allies to the North Vietnamese creating one of the greatest holocausts in world history. And you want to freaking repeat it!



And lying, retarded, delusional neocons like yourself are here trying to convince people that this is our war to fight. I'm sure you could hitch up with a contractor like KBR or Blackwater and put your sorry ass where your mouth is. There is no age limit for that fight. But you won't. I got money riding on that

It is our war to fight. You see we cant bury our heads in the sand and pretend as though events around the world effect us and hope that people who want to conquor, kill, rape, and loot us arent going to because "we don't want to fight." No one freaking wants to fight wars. We fight them because the alternative is our death and destruction. What is so difficult to see about that? These thugs are not going to give up if we pull out of Iraq. Its just going to change the battle grounds to here in the United States.

I'm have tempted to just say go ahead and half it your way. And when there is blood in the streets its on your hands. Because you refuse to let us prevent it.

[lily]

Um.. Hello?! We are trying to freaking finish the war. or atleast this leg of the war (the war on terror will of course continue). But you guys make it difficult when you keep yelling for us to run away and raising the moral of our enemes.

We are raising the morale of our enemies by telling the Iraqi government to do what they were elected to do?




It is our war to fight. You see we cant bury our heads in the sand and pretend as though events around the world effect us and hope that people who want to conquor, kill, rape, and loot us arent going to because "we don't want to fight." No one freaking wants to fight wars. We fight them because the alternative is our death and destruction. What is so difficult to see about that? These thugs are not going to give up if we pull out of Iraq. Its just going to change the battle grounds to here in the United States.

How are they going to get here, swim?


I'm have tempted to just say go ahead and half it your way. And when there is blood in the streets its on your hands. Because you refuse to let us prevent it.

We've given "you" five years. It's time to try something different. Lord knows this isn't working.

[Dilloduck]

How are they going to get here, swim?

No need--already here

[lily]

No need--already here

If they are already here, then what's stopping them..........but wait.......I thought during the elections that the Republicans said they were the only ones to keep us safe!

[manu1959]

If they are already here, then what's stopping them..........but wait.......I thought during the elections that the Republicans said they were the only ones to keep us safe!

must be working then........

[Baron Von Esslingen]

must be working then........

if you say so...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/BaronVonEsslingen/goprecord.jpg

[stephanie]

if you say so...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/BaronVonEsslingen/goprecord.jpg

How many terrorist attacks happened under Clinton, Baron..

I can't recall....
Can you refresh my memory???

[Baron Von Esslingen]

How many terrorist attacks happened under Clinton, Baron..

I can't recall....
Can you refresh my memory???

Shit. And here I thought you knew everything... :uhoh:

[Dilloduck]

Shit. And here I thought you knew everything... :uhoh:

shitty dodge, Baron. How many?

[Kathianne]

if you say so...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/BaronVonEsslingen/goprecord.jpg

I dunno, you might want to check out these:

http://lib11.library.vanderbilt.edu/diglib/ginfo-terrorism.pl?searchtext=Attacks&Type=LTR&Resource=DB&Website=GOVTINFO




* Attack on USS Cole Archive -- U.S. Department of State -- Directory of articles on the USS Cole

* Egypt Air Flight 990 -- U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) -- Final Report from NTSB on Egypt Air Flight 990

* Frontline: Target America -- Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) -- Includes a timeline covering attacks on Americans from 1979 to 1988, interviews with officials such as Caspar Weinberger and Bud McFarlane, and an overview of the evolution of Islamic terrorism, starting from 1968.

* Hijacking of Indian Airlines Flight IC-814 -- Embassy of India -- Information about the hijacking, terrorists involved, chronology of event, etc.

* Investigation into the Attack on the U.S.S. Cole [PDF] -- U.S. Congress. House. Armed Services Committee -- Report of the Committee staff.

* Iranian Hostage Crisis, 1979 -- PBS -- Information on the relationship between Iran and the United States, Iranian Revolution, hostage crisis, and Carter's response.

* London Attacks -- BBC -- Up-to-date information on the terrorist attacks in London

* An Overview of U.S. Counterterrorism Policy and President Clinton's Decision to Grant Clemency to FALN Terrorists, Sept. 14, 1999 (S. Hrg. 106-259) [PDF] -- U.S. Congress. Senate. Comm. on Foreign Relations. -- Also available in text version.

* Significant Terrorist Incidents -- U.S. Department of State -- List of terrorist attacks from 1961-2003

* Terrorism Knowledge Base -- National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism (MIPT) -- Comprehensive and detailed database of information regarding terrorist groups around the world.

* U.S.S. Cole Investigating Officers Report -- U.S. Dept. of the Navy -- [Unavailable 2-17-05]

[glockmail]

if you say so...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/BaronVonEsslingen/goprecord.jpg That's about the lowest thing I've seen on a board.

[Gaffer]

if you say so...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/BaronVonEsslingen/goprecord.jpg

Clinton's final legacy.

[glockmail]

No kidding. The planning for that thing started years before Bush took office (without W's on the White House keyboards).

[Baron Von Esslingen]

That's about the lowest thing I've seen on a board.

Not been paying much attention to your neocon friends here on DP, huh? Figures...

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Clinton's final legacy.

Yeah. Right.

The WTC attacks happen on Idiot Boy's watch while he is asleep at the wheel and ignoring his own intelligence briefings and somehow it's Clinton's fault. Clueless neocons. The cult of personal responsibility is dead.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

I dunno, you might want to check out these:

http://lib11.library.vanderbilt.edu/diglib/ginfo-terrorism.pl?searchtext=Attacks&Type=LTR&Resource=DB&Website=GOVTINFO

Well, sweetcheeks, according to the data that you yourself posted here, the count of people killed by terrorist attacks while Bill Clinton was president stands at 227. That's a far cry from the 3,025 killed on September 11 and it is much smaller than the 536 that were killed under the reign of Cut & Run Ronnie. So, your point that somehow Bubba was more criminal in his defense of the nation falls flat on it's ass. Both Ray-gun and Chimpy were a lot worse in protecting American lives than Bubba. Thanks for the assist.

(For the sake of time, I didn't even include all the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are ahead in the bottom of the ninth and you are the home team, you don't have to keep piling on runs.)

[Baron Von Esslingen]

shitty dodge, Baron. How many?

See post #42, slick.

[Dilloduck]

See post #42, slick.

You were being asked about the number of attacks, slick. 9/11 was being planned on Clintons' watch btw. You know--the one when he had the opportunity to get bin laden and didn't ?

[Gunny]

Yeah. Right.

The WTC attacks happen on Idiot Boy's watch while he is asleep at the wheel and ignoring his own intelligence briefings and somehow it's Clinton's fault. Clueless neocons. The cult of personal responsibility is dead.

9/11 was planned WAY before Bush's watch. Where was CLINTON's intelligence on it?

What kind of response do you expect when you go about your usual bullshit accusing Bush of something that was going to happen REGARDLESS who was President?

Just another blind extremist with a clue.

[Gunny]

You were being asked about the number of attacks, slick. 9/11 was being planned on Clintons' watch btw. You know--the one when he had the opportunity to get bin laden and didn't ?

The actual facts are not listed in the Leftwingnut Talking Points Handbook.

[Kathianne]

Well, sweetcheeks, according to the data that you yourself posted here, the count of people killed by terrorist attacks while Bill Clinton was president stands at 227. That's a far cry from the 3,025 killed on September 11 and it is much smaller than the 536 that were killed under the reign of Cut & Run Ronnie. So, your point that somehow Bubba was more criminal in his defense of the nation falls flat on it's ass. Both Ray-gun and Chimpy were a lot worse in protecting American lives than Bubba. Thanks for the assist.

(For the sake of time, I didn't even include all the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are ahead in the bottom of the ninth and you are the home team, you don't have to keep piling on runs.)

Well sir, all those attacks just emboldened the enemy that there would never be retaliation, thus 9.11.

[glockmail]

Not been paying much attention to your neocon friends here on DP, huh? Figures... For someone who hates labels, you don't seem to mind labelling.

Perhaps you can show me something lower than what you did by one of these so-called neocons (whatever that means).

[Baron Von Esslingen]

You were being asked about the number of attacks, slick. 9/11 was being planned on Clintons' watch btw.

By your reasoning, then all the ones that happened on Clinton's watch were being planned on George Herbert Walker Bush's watch. Logic is a bitch when it comes back and bites you in the ass.


You know--the one when he had the opportunity to get bin laden and didn't ?

Sorry. The 9/11 Commission Report debunked that point quite nicely. You should read it sometime. You might get educated.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Well sir, all those attacks just emboldened the enemy that there would never be retaliation, thus 9.11.

Yes, when Reagan ran from Lebanon it emboldened the enemy and led to the 9/11 attacks. I agree.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

For someone who hates labels, you don't seem to mind labelling.

Perhaps you can show me something lower than what you did by one of these so-called neocons (whatever that means).

It's a real pain when your own tactics are used against you. I can see why you all squeal like stuck pigs so damn much.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

9/11 was planned WAY before Bush's watch. Where was CLINTON's intelligence on it?

What kind of response do you expect when you go about your usual bullshit accusing Bush of something that was going to happen REGARDLESS who was President?

Just another blind extremist with a clue.

Clinton's intelligence was still sitting there in the WH in the person of Mr Clarke who warned Chimpy about all of this but was ignored because Chimpy wanted to go after Saddam and not OBL. Again, that 9/11 Report is pretty insightful. I can see why the wingnuts and neocons in the 109th DO NOTHING rubber stamp Congress did not want to pass the recommendations into law: it would have pointed to all the GOP failures in protecting our homeland.

Keep dancing. It's not informative but it is entertaining. :dance: :dance:

[Dilloduck]

Clinton's intelligence was still sitting there in the WH in the person of Mr Clarke who warned Chimpy about all of this but was ignored because Chimpy wanted to go after Saddam and not OBL. Again, that 9/11 Report is pretty insightful. I can see why the wingnuts and neocons in the 109th DO NOTHING rubber stamp Congress did not want to pass the recommendations into law: it would have pointed to all the GOP failures in protecting our homeland.

Keep dancing. It's not informative but it is entertaining. :dance: :dance:

Clintons' intelligence is an oxymoron----------and besides--if he had all this info, why didn't he do a damn thing about it ?

[glockmail]

It's a real pain when your own tactics are used against you. I can see why you all squeal like stuck pigs so damn much. My tactics?

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Clintons' intelligence is an oxymoron----------and besides--if he had all this info, why didn't he do a damn thing about it ?

I'd match Bubba against you, one on one, in a debate anyday of the week. I'd even agree if it were on Fox. Don't get too caught up in your own hype, dude.

Read his book. He tells you in there.

[Dilloduck]

I'd match Bubba against you, one on one, in a debate anyday of the week. I'd even agree if it were on Fox. Don't get too caught up in your own hype, dude.

Read his book. He tells you in there.

Bring him on---you still haven't explained why Clinton did nothing to stop Al Quaeda.

[Gunny]

Clinton's intelligence was still sitting there in the WH in the person of Mr Clarke who warned Chimpy about all of this but was ignored because Chimpy wanted to go after Saddam and not OBL. Again, that 9/11 Report is pretty insightful. I can see why the wingnuts and neocons in the 109th DO NOTHING rubber stamp Congress did not want to pass the recommendations into law: it would have pointed to all the GOP failures in protecting our homeland.

Keep dancing. It's not informative but it is entertaining. :dance: :dance:

If all the information was there wy didn't Clinton act on it?

Bush was not warned specifically of the attack on 9/11. Truth-twisting at its finest.

IF all of the information was present, it was fragmented. That would be the fault of the bureaucracy within the US government in general, and the intelligence communities specifically. None of which can be blamed on President Bush since he inherited the mess. That is unless you go to stretching the facts and the truth .....

I don't dance. I certainly don't even need to get up with crap as transparent as this.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

I'd match Bubba against you, one on one, in a debate anyday of the week. I'd even agree if it were on Fox. Don't get too caught up in your own hype, dude.

Read his book. He tells you in there.

Bring him on---you still haven't explained why Clinton did nothing to stop Al Quaeda.

Read his book.Read his book.Read his book.

[glockmail]

Read his book.Read his book.Read his book.
Why don't you read it and summarize the salient points for us? That would be a lot more helpful than trying to boost his profits.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

None of which can be blamed on President Bush since he inherited the mess. That is unless you go to stretching the facts and the truth .....

The neocon excuse for every failure of the Bush administration.

[glockmail]

The neocon excuse for every failure of the Bush administration. Except he's right.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Why don't you read it and summarize the salient points for us? That would be a lot more helpful than trying to boost his profits.

I have read it. Checked it out from my local public library. Try it sometime. Why try explaining Bubba's thoughts and reasoning when he is perfectly capable of doing it himself. Eyewitness testimony is the best evidence in cases like this. I'll wait until you've had a chance to read it for yourself before I hold you accountable for any more misstatements.

[glockmail]

I have read it. Checked it out from my local public library. Try it sometime. Why try explaining Bubba's thoughts and reasoning when he is perfectly capable of doing it himself. Eyewitness testimony is the best evidence in cases like this. I'll wait until you've had a chance to read it for yourself before I hold you accountable for any more misstatements. Sorry, but I don't have the time to read ever book recomended by others in an attempt to reinforce THEIR POV.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Sorry, but I don't have the time to read ever book recomended by others in an attempt to reinforce THEIR POV.

You were the one that wanted to know about Bubba's treatment of OBL, not me. I guess those unproven allegations will have to suffice, eh?

On second thought, I'd feel real bad if you went the rest of your life carrying such a sack of crap around with you. Here's just a sample of what you could discover if you bothered to read Bubba's book. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/21/eveningnews/main625205.shtml)

[Gunny]

You were the one that wanted to know about Bubba's treatment of OBL, not me. I guess those unproven allegations will have to suffice, eh?

On second thought, I'd feel real bad if you went the rest of your life carrying such a sack of crap around with you. Here's just a sample of what you could discover if you bothered to read Bubba's book. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/21/eveningnews/main625205.shtml)


Is that what's wrong with you? You read Clinton's book? How many times? I fhe told me the sky was blue I'd have to look before I believed him.:laugh2:

[glockmail]

You were the one that wanted to know about Bubba's treatment of OBL, not me. I guess those unproven allegations will have to suffice, eh?

On second thought, I'd feel real bad if you went the rest of your life carrying such a sack of crap around with you. Here's just a sample of what you could discover if you bothered to read Bubba's book. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/21/eveningnews/main625205.shtml)


Why would I believe the story of a proven liar when the facts are clear in the opposite? OJ said he was innocent as well- do you expect me to believe him?

[lily]

You were the one that wanted to know about Bubba's treatment of OBL, not me. I guess those unproven allegations will have to suffice, eh?

On second thought, I'd feel real bad if you went the rest of your life carrying such a sack of crap around with you. Here's just a sample of what you could discover if you bothered to read Bubba's book. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/21/eveningnews/main625205.shtml)

They ask for proof, then don't bother to read. I just wonder when the right will start making Bush accountable for what he has done, instead of blaming everyone else.

[manu1959]

bubba was obsessed with cigars and fat chicks as well ... big deal ...

he didn't do anything about OBL ....

[stephanie]

They ask for proof, then don't bother to read. I just wonder when the right will start making Bush accountable for what he has done, instead of blaming everyone else.

Get your DemocratIC congresscritters to start IMPEACHMENT proceedings, you all have so much he's done wrong...

Or just continue sitting here and be a bunch of whinny babies...

Don't make me break out the dancing baby....:laugh2:

[lily]

I know we all look alike, stephanie.....but I've never called for impeachemnt hearings, just the opposite. This country is too torn apart and impeachemnt would make it worse......but have no fear 2008 is near!

[stephanie]

I know we all look alike, stephanie.....but I've never called for impeachemnt hearings, just the opposite. This country is too torn apart and impeachemnt would make it worse......but have no fear 2008 is near!

What? I have no idea what you look like.........:poke:

But.......... your a poet and did your know it?:laugh2::laugh2:

[Baron Von Esslingen]

They ask for proof, then don't bother to read. I just wonder when the right will start making Bush accountable for what he has done, instead of blaming everyone else.

Yeah, I know. It's just too easy to get them off their game. They will never make Chimpy into anything other than a hero who's greatest accomplishment is that he's no longer a rip-roaring drunk. The citation's there but it won't get clicked on because they are afraid of the truth setting them free from their addiction to Bushbotism.

They have another 20 months to blame Bubba for all their shortcomings and then Chimpy goes into the dustbin of history as Worst. President. Ever. :salute:

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Is that what's wrong with you? You read Clinton's book? How many times?

I found out the truth. Is that what's wrong with you? Afraid of the truth? I think so because everytime you are confronted with it you launch into another personal attack.


I fhe told me the sky was blue I'd have to look before I believed him.:laugh2:

Funny. I feel the same way about you. Then I'd look again at the sky just to make sure.

[KarlMarx]

and he isn't in any position to demand that. Congress is the one that holds the purse strings and if he wants that money he's going to have to go along with conditions it sets. Hope the dems stick to their guns on this one.

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How short sighted and forgetful you are. The current funding bill has billions upon billions of dollars worth of pork attached to it. I thought that the Democrats were upset with the Republicans' out of control spending? Also, is playing games with the funding for the Iraq war your idea of supporting the troops?

[Baron Von Esslingen]

How short sighted and forgetful you are. The current funding bill has billions upon billions of dollars worth of pork attached to it. I thought that the Democrats were upset with the Republicans' out of control spending? Also, is playing games with the funding for the Iraq war your idea of supporting the troops?

Don't forget that the stuff you are calling pork was stuff the last Congress, the 109th DO NOTHING Congress, failed to act upon before they left town. Democrats are just cleaning up the mess the GOP left them.

[stephanie]

Yeah, I know. It's just too easy to get them off their game. They will never make Chimpy into anything other than a hero who's greatest accomplishment is that he's no longer a rip-roaring drunk. The citation's there but it won't get clicked on because they are afraid of the truth setting them free from their addiction to Bushbotism.

They have another 20 months to blame Bubba for all their shortcomings and then Chimpy goes into the dustbin of history as Worst. President. Ever. :salute:

Nobody will ever topple Carter off the worst President pedestal....

And then of course Clinton was impeached....

So......
1. Carter worst=Democrat
2. Bj Clinton impeached=Democrat.
Ya all have us beat so far...
At least Nixion had the good sense to resign for the good of the country...

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[KarlMarx]

Don't forget that the stuff you are calling pork was stuff the last Congress, the 109th DO NOTHING Congress, failed to act upon before they left town. Democrats are just cleaning up the mess the GOP left them.

That's a bunch of crap, they don't have to pass any of those items.

The reason all that stuff is being tacked on is to buy votes.

This Congress is doing quite a bit, isn't it? For one thing, the Speaker of the House is either trying to make foreign policy or become a felon

[glockmail]

... Chimpy ...

Methinks Baron is Bullypulpit. :poke: