Californians Fleeing California

[red states rule]

I think every state run by tax and spend liberals are watching the exit of entrepreneurs and the middle class only to be replace by illegal aliens and welfare cheats



Go East, young man? Californians look for the exit
By MICHAEL R. BLOOD – 23 hours ago

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The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.

The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.

California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S.

A losing streak that long hasn't happened in California since the recession of the early 1990s, when departures outstripped arrivals from other states by 362,000 in 1994 alone.

In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.

Why are so many looking for an exit?

Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.

With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iJgIDqGsPSdRs4bEwhpyiw-Hhq6gD95LR2600

[namvet]

I heard about this some time back. its because of the Gangs. a lot of residents just gave up and left. I'd have my bags packed right behind them !!!!!

[red states rule]

I heard about this some time back. its because of the Gangs. a lot of residents just gave up and left. I'd have my bags packed right behind them !!!!!

Do you blame them for leaving?

Funny the liberals claim to know everything about how to run our nation yet they can't even keep one state going.

California bailout coming soon with the blessing of Obama, reid, and Pelosi

[namvet]

for years the MS-13 gang has tried to move in and take over. and their not using harsh language either !!!!! MS-13 is trying to take over the US. when they get to DC all you'll see is white flags waving...........:laugh2::laugh2:

[red states rule]

The one bad thing about them leaving Ca is they continue to vote liberal dems into office that will end up screwing those states as well.

I can see Colorado and Nevada becoming even more blue blue states because of this.

If they are leaving California to get away from the troubles there, why try to turn other states into another CA?

Is this another example of liberla logic and reasoning?

[namvet]

The one bad thing about them leaving Ca is they continue to vote liberal dems into office that will end up screwing those states as well.

I can see Colorado and Nevada becoming even more blue blue states because of this.

If they are leaving California to get away from the troubles there, why try to turn other states into another CA?

Is this another example of liberla logic and reasoning?


hmmmm lets get a bail out for a wall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[red states rule]

hmmmm lets get a bail out for a wall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No such luck

Migration into Northern Virginia by those from the Northeast have turned Virginia into a blue state

And they are starting to have the same issues as CA

[namvet]

No such luck

Migration into Northern Virginia by those from the Northeast have turned Virginia into a blue state

And they are starting to have the same issues as CA

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/gardenmo/richard_crenna1.jpg

fuck !!! surrounded. first by ragheads now by liberals !!!!!

[red states rule]

The worst part of this story is that Californians leaving the state that they created, only means that they will do the same damage to the states to which they move to.

They're going to get stupid all over us.

[namvet]

The worst part of this story is that Californians leaving the state that they created, only means that they will do the same damage to the states to which they move to.

They're going to get stupid all over us.

RED im trying to keep my gun on the wall !!!!!!!!!!!!

[red states rule]

RED im trying to keep my gun on the wall !!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama, Reid, and Pelosi wil be coming for it soon enough

[April15]

The worst part of this story is that Californians leaving the state that they created, only means that they will do the same damage to the states to which they move to.

They're going to get stupid all over us.Those who are leaving are the same ones that came for the good pay and beautiful weather. The gangs are another story though. The world would be better off if a bounty was placed on the members.
I am going to stay and enjoy the liberal mindset.

[namvet]

Obama, Reid, and Pelosi wil be coming for it soon enough

wanna bet ???!!!!

[red states rule]

Those who are leaving are the same ones that came for the good pay and beautiful weather. The gangs are another story though. The world would be better off if a bounty was placed on the members.
I am going to stay and enjoy the liberal mindset.

Fine April

You keep unchecked property/county taxation and a continued influx of liberal socialism - and stop people from leaving the state that voted for those proposals

Leave the rest of us alone

[April15]

Fine April

You keep unchecked property/county taxation and a continued influx of liberal socialism - and stop people from leaving the state that voted for those proposals

Leave the rest of us aloneProperty taxes are the same as other states that use them, .1% of appraised value. The counties only get a portion of the sales tax, 8.25% total. The real charges are on vehicle license fees. Or so the complaint goes. I don't feel the fees are a hardship. It would be nice though if our highway taxes were spent on the highways instead of bootlegged into the general fund.
I don't see or experience any socialism here. What I have seen is a federal government imposing fascist rules and disregard for the constitution. But in a few days that should end.

[Abbey Marie]

Similar things are happening in southern New Hampshire. Tax and spend Mass. folks are mvoing there and bringing their failed lib policies with them.

[red states rule]

Property taxes are the same as other states that use them, .1% of appraised value. The counties only get a portion of the sales tax, 8.25% total. The real charges are on vehicle license fees. Or so the complaint goes. I don't feel the fees are a hardship. It would be nice though if our highway taxes were spent on the highways instead of bootlegged into the general fund.
I don't see or experience any socialism here. What I have seen is a federal government imposing fascist rules and disregard for the constitution. But in a few days that should end.

You are way off April

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Just as the housing boom has worn thin, property taxes are catching up with the one-third rise in the median value of all homes since 2000.

Property taxes -- the principal source of revenue for cities, counties and school districts -- are calculated by multiplying the nominal property-tax rate by the assessment ratio (the percentage of the value of the property that is taxed) by the value of the property. A USA Today analysis in 2006 said property taxes now consume a greater share of income (3.4%) than at any time since 1992.

Facing rebellious homeowners, at least 10 states cut property taxes in 2006, often counting on additional income and sales taxes to make up the difference.

The state in which residents pay the most in combined state, local and federal taxes, per capita, is Connecticut (38.3%), followed by New York (37.1%), New Jersey (35.6%) and Nevada (35.2%). Oklahoma residents pay the least (27.8%), followed by those in Alabama (28.0%) and Alaska (28.1%).


http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/Advice/TheBestAndWorstStatesForTaxes.aspx


Fees are nothing mroe then a tax April. Glad to see YOU can decide who can pay and who can't

[red states rule]

Similar things are happening in southern New Hampshire. Tax and spend Mass. folks are mvoing there and bringing their failed lib policies with them.

Liberals do love to spread the misery around Abbey

[April15]

You are way off April

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Just as the housing boom has worn thin, property taxes are catching up with the one-third rise in the median value of all homes since 2000.

Property taxes -- the principal source of revenue for cities, counties and school districts -- are calculated by multiplying the nominal property-tax rate by the assessment ratio (the percentage of the value of the property that is taxed) by the value of the property. A USA Today analysis in 2006 said property taxes now consume a greater share of income (3.4%) than at any time since 1992.

Facing rebellious homeowners, at least 10 states cut property taxes in 2006, often counting on additional income and sales taxes to make up the difference.

The state in which residents pay the most in combined state, local and federal taxes, per capita, is Connecticut (38.3%), followed by New York (37.1%), New Jersey (35.6%) and Nevada (35.2%). Oklahoma residents pay the least (27.8%), followed by those in Alabama (28.0%) and Alaska (28.1%).


http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/Advice/TheBestAndWorstStatesForTaxes.aspx


Fees are nothing mroe then a tax April. Glad to see YOU can decide who can pay and who can't

In California the property tax rate is .01% of assessed value. That is what my taxes are based on. Now you can go by a book or by what you pay. I take what I pay as a better barometer of tax costs.
As to the rise in home values any body with a brain is having their homes re assessed for value. Those homes that were selling for 800,000 are now about 150,000.
And fees are just a fancy tax. So what? It is not like the money is so precious. Christ when you die it don't go with you!

[Hobbit]

144,000, huh? That's eerie.


Chapter 7: 1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Chapter 14: 1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

[red states rule]

And fees are just a fancy tax. So what? It is not like the money is so precious. Christ when you die it don't go with you!

and when you die now, liberals will rob your grave by taking 50% of your wealth from your family via the Death Tax

Libs have all the bases covered

[Trigg]

Those who are leaving are the same ones that came for the good pay and beautiful weather. The gangs are another story though. The world would be better off if a bounty was placed on the members.
I am going to stay and enjoy the liberal mindset.

Sadly some of the ones who are leaving are born and bred Californians, and they're leaving because house prices went through the roof and schools aren't safe.

Of course the ones I know are also republicans, so that might have something to do with it also. :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Sadly some of the ones who are leaving are born and bred Californians, and they're leaving because house prices went through the roof and schools aren't safe.

Of course the ones I know are also republicans, so that might have something to do with it also. :laugh2:

That is good news Trigg that Republcians (conservatives I hope) are leaving. Let the libs keep CA, and stop bringing their insane liberalism to the other states

[April15]

and when you die now, liberals will rob your grave by taking 50% of your wealth from your family via the Death Tax

Libs have all the bases coveredWhen I die there won't be any left.

[April15]

Sadly some of the ones who are leaving are born and bred Californians, and they're leaving because house prices went through the roof and schools aren't safe.

Of course the ones I know are also republicans, so that might have something to do with it also. :laugh2:All my children have moved out of state for just that reason. Funny thing is none are republicans.

[red states rule]

When I die there won't be any left.

Obama, Reid, and Pelosi wil do their best to make sure it happens April

[crin63]

California has also lost 7 fortune 500 companies in the last 18 months roughly aside from the people leaving.

Heres an article from 2007 but it supports the thread.

The Coming Blue State Tax Revolt
Rich Karlgaard 08.13.07, 12:00 AM ET

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California state income tax is a gagging 9.3%, and it kicks in at a school janitor's salary of $43,500. California adds a "mental health tax" of 1% if you make more than $1 million a year--a joke on dysfunctional Hollywood, one supposes.

Millionaires Cash Out of California

The San Francisco Business Times noted recently that Bay Area millionaires are starting to take their gold out of the Golden State. The paper writes: "The Bay Area's wealth boom is producing an explosion of millionaires--in Nevada, Wyoming and perhaps Canada. Advisers to the well-heeled say 'wealth migration'--taking the money and running--is behind a surprising drop in the number of Bay Area millionaires."

The annual loss of millionaires from the Bay Area--home to Silicon Valley--knocks this extremely rich and fertile place down near the bottom of the new millionaire list, putting it in the company of Detroit, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Of course, the middle class has been fleeing California for years. High house prices have been the main culprit. Long commutes and deteriorating public services play a part. But the flight of millionaires is very 21st century. The cause? You guessed it. Taxes.

Continues the San Francisco Business Times: "'I'm hearing from more California baby boomers, I need to get out,' said Diane Kennedy, a Phoenix accountant and financial adviser to the wealthy. 'You can still make a lot of money in California. The problem is, then you have to pay taxes on that money,' said Kennedy, who recently helped a California client with annual income of about $1 million save $96,000 annually by making his home in Jackson Hole, Wyo. his primary residence.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0813/033a_print.html

[red states rule]

and the idiots running CA government can't figure out why they have huge deficits and why people are leaving the state?

I guess they think they have nothing to worry about since their fellow libs now run DC. They came come and beg Obama, Reid, and Pelosi for a bailout - and leave DC with a really big check

They take the money back to CA, and continue with the same liberal policies that put them in the hole in the first place

I hope a majority of CA voters wake up, and see what liberalism has done to their state

[namvet]

CA will soon be the gangster state......................:laugh2:

[crin63]

The only reason we stayed here in California is my church. Otherwise we would have been long gone when my younger son graduated high school in 2006.

There is no hope for California in my opinion. The libs have gerrymandered themselves into keeping power, with Republicans complacency of course.

[red states rule]

The only reason we stayed here in California is my church. Otherwise we would have been long gone when my younger son graduated high school in 2006.

There is no hope for California in my opinion. The libs have gerrymandered themselves into keeping power, with Republicans complacency of course.


Good luck to you. I could not live in such a liberal state where success is punished, and law breaking illegals are rewarded

[crin63]

Good luck to you. I could not live in such a liberal state where success is punished, and law breaking illegals are rewarded

Thanks! I really do hate it here but I just cant/wont leave my church. I was offered $80k a year in Houston a year ago but we'll stay here.

[red states rule]

Thanks! I really do hate it here but I just cant/wont leave my church. I was offered $80k a year in Houston a year ago but we'll stay here.

You are a man of principals and convictions

You already are a rich man

Best wishes to you and your family :salute:

[gabosaurus]

Most of us California folks are staying where we are. We live a good life. We work to support ourselves. And those of you who sit around and do nothing all day.

[red states rule]

Most of us California folks are staying where we are. We live a good life. We work to support ourselves. And those of you who sit around and do nothing all day.

Maybe you did not read the first post Gabby

Go East, young man? Californians look for the exit
By MICHAEL R. BLOOD – 23 hours ago

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The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.

The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.

California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S.

A losing streak that long hasn't happened in California since the recession of the early 1990s, when departures outstripped arrivals from other states by 362,000 in 1994 alone.

In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.

Why are so many looking for an exit?

Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.

With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...Hhq6gD95LR2600

[crin63]

[QUOTE=red states rule;339921]Maybe you did not read the first post Gabby

Don't confuse her with information, she already knows everything.

[Immanuel]

It all started the year Barbara Boxer and Diane Fienstein entered the U.S. Senate. That was the year that brought California to its knees.

Immie

[red states rule]

It all started the year Barbara Boxer and Diane Fienstein entered the U.S. Senate. That was the year that brought California to its knees.

Immie

Arnold has done his part to

Former Gov Davis must be laughing his ass off

[April15]

There is no church worth a shit. Get out of California Crin63. Go screw up some other state. This state is fine. We are getting all of raguns policies tossed and getting back to what Californians do best. Work for a living and have fun.

[crin63]

There is no church worth a shit. Get out of California Crin63. Go screw up some other state. This state is fine. We are getting all of raguns policies tossed and getting back to what Californians do best. Work for a living and have fun.

I'll stay and fight for a free California. Maybe we can overthrow your socialist regime in Sacramento.

[April15]

I'll stay and fight for a free California. Maybe we can overthrow your socialist regime in Sacramento.I guess you have not lived here a long time. If you did you would know that when Pat brown left office, Governor, this state was in great shape. Then came the republicans. Then Jerry Brown, who besides being a too young governor, goes hippy. Then a stream of republicans including Ronnie the rat, george the Joke dukemajian, and Pete the no beaners wilson put this state into financial hell. Finally a good man gets in and Bush by way of FERC gets him canned with help from a super rich Darrell Issa get Arnie appointed.
Let me tell you about Republicans screwing the people of California.

[manu1959]

it is awful here.....leave before it is to late...and if you aren't here don't come......it is a morase of corruption and immoral behaviour.....

[Yurt]

it is awful here.....leave before it is to late...and if you aren't here don't come......it is a morase of corruption and immoral behaviour.....

not to mention earthquakes, riots, floods and fires

its horrible here, especially SLO

[manu1959]

not to mention earthquakes, riots, floods and fires

its horrible here, especially SLO

the horror....the horror.....

[Mr. P]

The best thing about landing in California was the takeoff to come home.
I didn't care for the land of fruits & nuts. :poke:

[KSigMason]

Here's a quote from the great Reagan about the nation, but its applicable to the State.

"No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income."

[manu1959]

our motto......

welcome to california....now go home.....but leave your daughters

[Yurt]

The best thing about landing in California was the takeoff to come home.
I didn't care for the land of fruits & nuts. :poke:

hey... its peachy here :cool:

[red states rule]

Kaleefornya - the world's leading exporter of fruits and nuts

[Immanuel]

The best thing about landing in California was the takeoff to come home.
I didn't care for the land of fruits & nuts. :poke:

Then you have never spent anytime in California. It has everything from beautiful beaches on the west coast to awe-inspiring mountains on the eastern border, Redwood forests in the north and beautiful cities.

Sure the politicians have done their best to screw things up for those who live there, but how is that different than say Texas or Ohio or any other state?

Immie

[red states rule]

It seems you cannot escape this liberalism and liberals, because their policies are always detrimental. And left on their own they will collapse any economy.

Libs need rational hardworking Americans, so they can bleed them to death with new social programs.

Otherwise all their socialist dreams would be voluntary.

[gabosaurus]

Here's a quote from the great Cabbage about the nation, but its applicable to the State.

"No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income.".

[DragonStryk72]

Hm, you mean the financial successful people are departing California? Why, that's odd, it would almost seem like people enjoy holding onto as much of their money as they can. That can't be though, cause that would just be silly.

Seriously, go have a look at the Fair Tax, in my tagline, we can get rid of all of this crap with it.