Pres Obama Does First Formal TV Interview with Al-Arabiya

[red states rule]

Pres Obama does not get it. Looks like his policy is one of appeasement

snip

"Now, my job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world, that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries," Obama said in the interview.

He said that the United States must be "willing to talk to Iran" and that he would lay out a "framework" for those discussions over the next several months.

By contrast, Obama went out of his way to say that if America is "ready to initiate a new partnership [with the Muslim world] based on mutual respect and mutual interest, then I think that we can make significant progress."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012602035.html?hpid=topnews

[moderate democrat]

I don't see how talking with the muslim governments rather than invading them is appeasing the terrorists who are our enemies. can you please explain that for me?

[red states rule]

I don't see how talking with the muslim governments rather than invading them is appeasing the terrorists who are our enemies. can you please explain that for me?

Do me a favor, go to this link

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

scroll down to take a look and the list of recent Islam motivated attacks worldwide

[moderate democrat]

Do me a favor, go to this link

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

scroll down to take a look and the list of recent Islam motivated attacks worldwide

I am well aware of the violent fanaticism of islamic extremists. I do not think that the vast majority of muslims or muslim governments agree with such violence.

[red states rule]

I am well aware of the violent fanaticism of islamic extremists. I do not think that the vast majority of muslims or muslim governments agree with such violence.

Not many speak out against the violence - they are afraid they will be killed

Showing weakness to these terrorists is not the way to go either

[moderate democrat]

Not many speak out against the violence - they are afraid they will be killed

Showing weakness to these terrorists is not the way to go either

Saddam showed strength against Islamic extremists. Mubarek shows strength against Islamic extremists. Assad shows strength against Islamic extremists. The Saudi royal family shows strength against Islamic extremists. Abdullah II shows strength against Islamic extremists... to name a few.

The fact remains that the vast majority of the Islamic world does NOT agree with the Islamic extremist mission or their tactics.

[red states rule]

Saddam showed strength against Islamic extremists. Mubarek shows strength against Islamic extremists. Assad shows strength against Islamic extremists. The Saudi royal family shows strength against Islamic extremists. Abdullah II shows strength against Islamic extremists... to name a few.

The fact remains that the vast majority of the Islamic world does NOT agree with the Islamic extremist mission or their tactics.

The US took out Saddam, and appeasers like you howled in protest

The bottom line is, Obama thinks you can reason with these pigs, and kind words and bribes will make them stop hating us

But then again, terrorists have been Obama's friends for years

[moderate democrat]

The US took out Saddam, and appeasers like you howled in protest

The bottom line is, Obama thinks you can reason with these pigs, and kind words and bribes will make them stop hating us

But then again, terrorists have been Obama's friends for years


I do not think that Obama thinks that anyone can reason with Islamic extremists, but that we CAN reason with muslim governments...such as the ones that I listed.

[red states rule]

I do not think that Obama thinks that anyone can reason with Islamic extremists, but that we CAN reason with muslim governments...such as the ones that I listed.

Two days ago he informed the White House Press Corp that “now was not the time for questions.”

He has not sit down with any U.S. media, or answered many of the burning questions of the American People. He attacks Rush Limbaugh, a private citizen for speaking out against his pilicies

That he chose an Arabic network to grant his first sit down interview as President with is an insult to every American.

Perhaps Pres Obama should discover that Radical Islam is our enemy and not Rush Limbaugh.

[moderate democrat]

Al-Arabiya is not an arm of Islamic extremism. I think it is very important to let the muslim world know that we have a change of tone...that we will hold out our hands if they unclench their fists... I applaud Obama's measured tone in that interview.

[red states rule]

Al-Arabiya is not an arm of Islamic extremism. I think it is very important to let the muslim world know that we have a change of tone...that we will hold out our hands if they unclench their fists... I applaud Obama's measured tone in that interview.

Sure, show weakness. That works everytime :rolleyes:

[moderate democrat]

Sure, show weakness. That works everytime :rolleyes:


I do not think that he showed any weakness. you do, apparently. we will just have to agree to disagree... and both of us hope and pray that Obama's foreign policy approach is successful... right?

[red states rule]

I do not think that he showed any weakness. you do, apparently. we will just have to agree to disagree... and both of us hope and pray that Obama's foreign policy approach is successful... right?

Not if we weakens our military, grants US Constitutional rights to terrorists, closes Gitmo, and appeases those who want us dead

[moderate democrat]

Not if we weakens our military, grants US Constitutional rights to terrorists, closes Gitmo, and appeases those who want us dead

I agree with you on everything except Gitmo. I want our president's foreign policy to succeed. Do you really want it to fail?

[red states rule]

I agree with you on everything except Gitmo. I want our president's foreign policy to succeed. Do you really want it to fail?

I want him to fail IF he weakens our military, grants US Constitutional rights to terrorists, closes Gitmo, and appeases those who want us dead

[moderate democrat]

I want him to fail IF he weakens our military, grants US Constitutional rights to terrorists, closes Gitmo, and appeases those who want us dead
Besides closing Gitmo, I don't think that his foreign policy is designed to do that.

[manu1959]

I don't see how talking with the muslim governments rather than invading them is appeasing the terrorists who are our enemies. can you please explain that for me?

hey it worked under clinton.....

[red states rule]

hey it worked under clinton.....

Yea, and it worked so well Manu

Oct. 12, 2000 - USS Cole

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.

February 1993 - First WTC attack

And OBL was offered to Bill on a silver platterseveral times

[manu1959]

Yea, and it worked so well Manu

Oct. 12, 2000 - USS Cole

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.

February 1993 - First WTC attack

And OBL was offered to Bill on a silver platterseveral times

but they didn't really hate us till bush got elected....and clarke and tenant started following bush's orders.....the world loved us up till that point....

[red states rule]

but they didn't really hate us till bush got elected....and clarke and tenant started following bush's orders.....the world loved us up till that point....

Were they expressing their emotions about what Bill was doing with Monica?

[moderate democrat]

but they didn't really hate us till bush got elected....and clarke and tenant started following bush's orders.....the world loved us up till that point....

that, of course, is incorrect. Many in the arab world have disliked us ever since we gave Israel free rein to do whatever the hell they wanted to the palestinians. and they have been emboldened by many foreign policy moves we have made over the years during the administrations of both democrats and republicans.

[Yurt]

that, of course, is incorrect. Many in the arab world have disliked us ever since we gave Israel free rein to do whatever the hell they wanted to the palestinians. and they have been emboldened by many foreign policy moves we have made over the years during the administrations of both democrats and republicans.

you've never been over there and learn all your information from the internet....if so by what authority do you speak?

[red states rule]

that, of course, is incorrect. Many in the arab world have disliked us ever since we gave Israel free rein to do whatever the hell they wanted to the palestinians. and they have been emboldened by many foreign policy moves we have made over the years during the administrations of both democrats and republicans.

The nerve of America allowing Israel to exist, protect their country, and to breath the same air as the Palestinians. What an outrage!

[manu1959]

that, of course, is incorrect. Many in the arab world have disliked us ever since we gave Israel free rein to do whatever the hell they wanted to the palestinians. and they have been emboldened by many foreign policy moves we have made over the years during the administrations of both democrats and republicans.

actually the us did not create israel .... and the us is not israels keeper....israel does what israel thinks is best for israel.....and as you know the british and the un created israel ..... the arab world has waged war against the west since the begining of time and backed hitler in wwii ..... not to mention hitler relocated thousands of jews to the arab world in the 30's ..... so to blame the us is a tad disengenious ....

[moderate democrat]

actually the us did not create israel .... and the us is not israels keeper....israel does what israel thinks is best for israel.....and as you know the british and the un created israel ..... the arab world has waged war against the west since the begining of time and backed hitler in wwii ..... not to mention hitler relocated thousands of jews to the arab world in the 30's ..... so to blame the us is a tad disengenious ....

I don't think I ever said that the US created Israel. I pointed out a key factor as to why the arab world does not like us very much. Are you suggesting that the US support of Israel over the years has NOT caused enmity for us in the arab world?

[Yurt]

I don't think I ever said that the US created Israel. I pointed out a key factor as to why the arab world does not like us very much. Are you suggesting that the US support of Israel over the years has NOT caused enmity for us in the arab world?

you have not been to the ME, you have not talked with people over there so i really don't think you have any authority on the issue.

[moderate democrat]

you have not been to the ME, you have not talked with people over there so i really don't think you have any authority on the issue.

I never claimed to be an authority... I just stated my opinion.

you're welcome to state yours.

[Yurt]

I never claimed to be an authority... I just stated my opinion.

you're welcome to state yours.

well, since i have been there and talked with people there, i can tell you that you are wrong. israel, to the muslims, both arab, persian etc..., is a small issue among many.

[moderate democrat]

well, since i have been there and talked with people there, i can tell you that you are wrong. israel, to the muslims, both arab, persian etc..., is a small issue among many.

that's interesting. I would have thought that the importance of the temple mount area to muslims around the world would make Israel's occupation of Jerusalem a big deal. The media sure makes it seem that way.

[Yurt]

that's interesting. I would have thought that the importance of the temple mount area to muslims around the world would make Israel's occupation of Jerusalem a big deal. The media sure makes it seem that way.

you need to talk to people over there in person and not believe everything you the media portrays. when i was there, talking to muslims in their homes, israel was an issue, but not the only issue as i stated above....so you are in fact wrong.

[red states rule]

well, since i have been there and talked with people there, i can tell you that you are wrong. israel, to the muslims, both arab, persian etc..., is a small issue among many.

What is sad Yurt, some people here call our troops serving in Iraq "infidels" and constantly paint the US and our military as the bad guy in this war on terror

[manu1959]

that's interesting. I would have thought that the importance of the temple mount area to muslims around the world would make Israel's occupation of Jerusalem a big deal. The media sure makes it seem that way.

the temple mount area is important to quite a few people not just muslims ...... everyone seems to forget muslims live in israel and nothing comes of it .... jews living in a arab city in iran, jordan, syria, sa...don't make me laugh ....

[red states rule]

BTW anyone know when Obama’s interview with the Jerusalem Post scheduled?

[moderate democrat]

you need to talk to people over there in person and not believe everything you the media portrays. when i was there, talking to muslims in their homes, israel was an issue, but not the only issue as i stated above....so you are in fact wrong.


what was a bigger issue than Israel to muslims when it came to their opinions about the US?

[manu1959]

What is sad Yurt, some people here call our troops serving in Iraq "infidels" and constantly paint the US and our military as the bad guy in this war on terror

from a radical muslim point of view....anyone not a muslim is an infidel.....and from their point of view the us military is the bad guy and occuping invasion force .....

[Yurt]

what was a bigger issue than Israel to muslims when it came to their opinions about the US?

liberal policies such as abortion and homosexuality and the whole hollywood porn industry and women's rights...they believe these things to be killing the world and destroying our morals...

israel was a backwater before the jews moved in, they don't really care about it that much, it is a side issue they have used to fool the west. one male muslim i spoke with in lebanon, said that he has family living in israel and they enjoy living and prospering in israel. i told you i know more than you and the media....

[moderate democrat]

liberal policies such as abortion and homosexuality and the whole hollywood porn industry and women's rights...they believe these things to be killing the world and destroying our morals...

israel was a backwater before the jews moved in, they don't really care about it that much, it is a side issue they have used to fool the west. one male muslim i spoke with in lebanon, said that he has family living in israel and they enjoy living and prospering in israel. i told you i know more than you and the media....

interesting. I didn't know that.

[Yurt]

interesting. I didn't know that.

it is. since i have been there and talked with them, you have no need to question my authority when anything about the ME and islam comes up. don't read the news or listen to the media....stick with me and you'll learn many things.

[Gaffer]

The pals are a tool of the surrounding muslim states. All of those states refuse to allow the pals to move into them and be absorbed in the population. They have been kept poor and oppressed not by Israel but by the arab states. It has been that way since 1948.

The goal of islam since it's inception has been the conquest of the world. They use any means necessary. Today they are using terrorism along with immigration into countries so they can use democracy to set themselves up in control. The appeasers, fools and forever ignorant are allowing it to happen. When the knife is at your throat it's too late to do anything about it.

[moderate democrat]

it is. since i have been there and talked with them, you have no need to question my authority when anything about the ME and islam comes up. don't read the news or listen to the media....stick with me and you'll learn many things.

I prefer to read many different sources...

[red states rule]

I prefer to read many different sources...

Here is one

http://www.alarabiya.net/english

I wonder how Chris Matthew's leg is feeling now? A little snubbed?

[Yurt]

I prefer to read many different sources...

so you disagree with me that someone who has been there, lived among the muslims there, befriended them and was actually on the ground, has less authority than what you read on the internet?

why....

[red states rule]

It looks to me like Obama has “gone home to roost.”

[Abbey Marie]

It is no accident that his first choice for a little sit down was with the Arabs.
It is going to be very interesting to watch the agenda of this administration unfold. And by "interesting" I mean it like the (supposedly Chinese) curse, "May you live in interesting times".

[red states rule]

It is no accident that his first choice for a little sit down was with the Arabs.
It is going to be very interesting to watch the agenda of this administration unfold. And by "interesting" I mean it like the (supposedly Chinese) curse, "May you live in interesting times".

It curious as to why his first acts in office seem to be capitulatory towards our enemies.

I bet Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann are feeling left out right now

Does Pres Obama really think talking to terrorists will cause them to start loving Jews and The Great Satan?

[manu1959]

I prefer to read many different sources...

until i find one i agree with then that is all i read..........

[Abbey Marie]

It reminds me a bit of battered wife syndrome. It takes a lot of beatings before some women realize that no amount of talking and reasoning will change the scum's behavior. That he's just a violent jerk who will act out when given the chance. With some people, only force will keep you safe from them.

[red states rule]

It reminds me a bit of battered wife syndrome. It takes a lot of beating before some women realize that no amount of talking and reasoning will change the scum's behavior. That he's just a violent jerk who will act out when given the chance. With some people, only force will keep you safe from them.

In one week Pres obama has done a lot and revealed what he is all about.

He wants to close Gitmo, and has no idea where to put the terrorists.

He wants to curtail CIA intelligence gathering

At a time that the US economy is suffering and the auto industry is on the edge of collapse, he wants to impose brand new regulations on them, perhaps causing their complete collapse

His first television interview since president is with an arab network.

Americans worst fears have come true in Obama.

[manu1959]

In one week Pres obama has done a lot and revealed what he is all about.

He wants to close Gitmo, and has no idea where to put the terrorists.
no need they are all innocent....

He wants to curtail CIA intelligence gathering
well it is not like they are any good at it....

At a time that the US economy is suffering and the auto industry is on the edge of collapse, he wants to impose brand new regulations on them, perhaps causing their complete collapse
can you say nationalized auto industry.....

His first television interview since president is with an arab network.
got thank the people that got you there.....

Americans worst fears have come true in Obama.
not yet....




:poke:

[moderate democrat]

so you disagree with me that someone who has been there, lived among the muslims there, befriended them and was actually on the ground, has less authority than what you read on the internet?

why....

I never said you had "less" authority. I merely stated that I prefer to develop my opinions on issues by consulting a variety of sources. Your first hand observations as to the real issues that alienate muslims are valuable to me, but I will put them in context along with other sources. I do appreciate your input, however. When were you over there and where did you stay?

[Yurt]

I never said you had "less" authority. I merely stated that I prefer to develop my opinions on issues by consulting a variety of sources. Your first hand observations as to the real issues that alienate muslims are valuable to me, but I will put them in context along with other sources. I do appreciate your input, however. When were you over there and where did you stay?

81', stayed with UN workers lebanon, israel, gaza, egypt and climbed some pyramid

[red states rule]

81', stayed with UN workers lebanon, israel, gaza, egypt and climbed some pyramid

:clap::clap:

You hit it out of the park Yurt :laugh2:

[moderate democrat]

81', stayed with UN workers lebanon, israel, gaza, egypt and climbed some pyramid

very cool. those must have been interesting times.

[hjmick]

The pals are a tool of the surrounding muslim states. All of those states refuse to allow the pals to move into them and be absorbed in the population. They have been kept poor and oppressed not by Israel but by the arab states. It has been that way since 1948.

The goal of islam since it's inception has been the conquest of the world. They use any means necessary. Today they are using terrorism along with immigration into countries so they can use democracy to set themselves up in control. The appeasers, fools and forever ignorant are allowing it to happen. When the knife is at your throat it's too late to do anything about it.

Exactly. Well said Gaff.

[Yurt]

very cool. those must have been interesting times.

bet you wish you could have done that huh...have you ever climbed a pyramid?

[moderate democrat]

bet you wish you could have done that huh...have you ever climbed a pyramid?

I've never even seen a pyramid... unless you count the Luxor in Vegas!

[Yurt]

check out the view from there...pretty sweet huh....i was skinnier in those days


http://nmazca.com/3142857/hans_nyberg_atop_cheops.jpg

[red states rule]

Obama might as well kick off his Presidency with Al-Arabia he started he political career at the home of a terrorist

That worked out well for him

Iguess this is part of his 'ten years' in power plan :laugh2:

[moderate democrat]

is that you??? and what are you sitting on?

[Yurt]

I've never even seen a pyramid... unless you count the Luxor in Vegas!

you should have climbed it! you could have boasted about that too...

[Yurt]

is that you??? and what are you sitting on?

i'm sitting on my athletic ass, you?

[moderate democrat]

you should have climbed it! you could have boasted about that too...

all I did was lose money at their blackjack tables.

[moderate democrat]

i'm sitting on my athletic ass, you?

no... I see the big pyramid in the picture. where are you sitting?

[Yurt]

no... I see the big pyramid in the picture. where are you sitting?

in egypt on a pyramid...i thought it was obvious, but since you've only seen the luxor in vegas

[moderate democrat]

in egypt on a pyramid...i thought it was obvious, but since you've only seen the luxor in vegas

very cool. the Luxor is pretty neat too.... but the blackjack tables are money magnets.

[moderate democrat]

yurt...I am confused. you told me you were in the middle east in '81 and that was you in the picture, but your profile page lists your birthday in 1973. You look a lot older than 8 in that picture.

[moderate democrat]

you're a liar, aren't you? You've never even been to the middle east, I'll bet.

[Mugged Liberal]

Moderate Democrat should know that if you are trying to stay in the middle of the road. straying from that path can get you run over.

Trabor 32

[Yurt]

yurt...I am confused. you told me you were in the middle east in '81 and that was you in the picture, but your profile page lists your birthday in 1973. You look a lot older than 8 in that picture.

stalker...i don't put my real age for all to see on the internet, stalkers like you might try and look me up


you're a liar, aren't you? You've never even been to the middle east, I'll bet.

bet away dancer...a word of advice...you can't affect my rep as you don't have any :laugh2:

[Yurt]

btw, my birthdate says '59, not '73 :poke:

[Abbey Marie]

Moderate Democrat should know that if you are trying to stay in the middle of the road. straying from that path can get you run over.

Trabor 32

An unusual first post. Are you two already acquainted? Anyway, welcome. We have an Introductions thread in the Lounge forum where you can say hi and such. Give it a try. :salute:

[manu1959]

An unusual first post. Are you two already acquainted? Anyway, welcome. We have an Introductions thread in the Lounge forum where you can say hi and such. Give it a try. :salute:

this entire thread is a touch unusual.....

[hjmick]

My wife says I am unusual...

[manu1959]

My wife says I am unusual...

ya she told me the same thing.....:poke:

[Yurt]

this entire thread is a touch unusual.....

you're just jealous because you never hiked a pyramid :cheers2:

[hjmick]

ya she told me the same thing.....:poke:

You should hear what she said about you!


you're just jealous because you never hiked a pyramid :cheers2:

I drank a Pyramid once. Okay, it was more than once.

I did hike Dinosaur National Monument a few years back. Very cool.

[bullypulpit]

The US took out Saddam, and appeasers like you howled in protest

The bottom line is, Obama thinks you can reason with these pigs, and kind words and bribes will make them stop hating us

But then again, terrorists have been Obama's friends for years

So, by logical extension ALL Muslims are pigs? Hmmm...nothing at all swinish about the Egyptian, Indonesian and Pakistani docs and other health care personnel I work with in ICU...men and women both. The only pig here is you, for lumping all Muslims into the same boat as al Qaeda.

Guilt by association is a popular tool among right wing-nuts such, as yourself, as it requires nothing more than inflamatory, blanket statements based only on the bigotry of those who make them and, those who accept them without question. They are utterly and completely morally bankrupt. But that's nothing new for you Red.

Now, what are you citing, I mean besides the worn out references to a close relationship between Bill Ayers and Obama? Face it Red, ya got nothin'.

[red states rule]

So, by logical extension ALL Muslims are pigs? Hmmm...nothing at all swinish about the Egyptian, Indonesian and Pakistani docs and other health care personnel I work with in ICU...men and women both. The only pig here is you, for lumping all Muslims into the same boat as al Qaeda.

Guilt by association is a popular tool among right wing-nuts such, as yourself, as it requires nothing more than inflamatory, blanket statements based only on the bigotry of those who make them and, those who accept them without question. They are utterly and completely morally bankrupt. But that's nothing new for you Red.

Now, what are you citing, I mean besides the worn out references to a close relationship between Bill Ayers and Obama? Face it Red, ya got nothin'.

So no comment on the thread topic - Obama gave his first interview as President to Al-Arabiya?

So no comment on his appeasing policy?

Ayers is a terrorist and is Obama's friend BP. Obama must feel comfortable around people like Ayers

Just a personal attack on me for pointing it out. So typical of you BP

[moderate democrat]

So no comment on the thread topic - Obama gave his first interview as President to Al-Arabiya?

So no comment on his appeasing policy?

Ayers is a terrorist and is Obama's friend BP. Obama must feel comfortable around people like Ayers

Just a personal attack on me for pointing it out. So typical of you BP

giving his first interview to a moderate fairly pro-western arab network is very wise. He followed up his inauguration speech language and let the muslim world know that if they unclenched their fists, we would be there to shake their hands.... that is brilliant. There is not one bit of appeasement in Obama's policy in the least.

[Gaffer]

So bp, how many of those doctors and nurses are practicing muslims? Do they drop everything to pray five times a day? Do they visit the foot baths before praying? You do have foot baths there, right? Do they eat only halal food?

Maybe they are muslim in name only, or no longer practice the "faith". After all apostasy is punishable by death. Many former muslims don't admit to leaving islam because of that.

The messiah is embracing islam and wants the world to embrace it.

[red states rule]

So bp, how many of those doctors and nurses are practicing muslims? Do they drop everything to pray five times a day? Do they visit the foot baths before praying? You do have foot baths there, right? Do they eat only halal food?

Maybe they are muslim in name only, or no longer practice the "faith". After all apostasy is punishable by death. Many former muslims don't admit to leaving islam because of that.

The messiah is embracing islam and wants the world to embrace it.

Obama is just showing his true colors

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/CWWisapatriot/Husseinflag.jpg

[red states rule]

Now about the guy Obama sat down with:


Was Obama's Interviewer the Arab Chris Matthews?
By Tim Graham (Bio | Archive)
January 28, 2009 - 10:47 ET

Did interviewer Hisham Melhem of al-Arabiya TV offer Barack Obama the Arab version of "Hardball with Chris Matthews"? After the interview was finished, Melhem talked to Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic and crowed about how superior Obama is to George Bush:

A president named Barack Hussein Obama sees the world differently from a president named George W. Bush, in part because of his biography, in part because of intellect. He senses that maybe America is less Western-centric than it used to be. The world is no longer Europe and North America.


Can you construct a sillier straw man than to suggest George Bush doesn’t realize the West needs to engage the Arab world? Goldberg tried to suggest skepticism, that Obama’s Middle East policy resembles Bush’s in some ways, but Melhem wouldn’t agree, boastfully selling the current Obama line that he’s too progressive and Muslim-friendly to be pushed into a Bush mold:

Look, in the long run, he is telling the Muslim world that it's going to have a difficult time demonizing him. He's saying, "I'm willing to disagree with the people of the Muslim world respectfully." He was miffed and angry by Zawahiri and Bin Laden, the way they speak of him. And he jumped on it and dealt with it. There's a subtle shift here on how he looks at the war on al-Qaeda and the groups that collaborate with it. He doesn't put Hamas and Hezbollah in the same category as al-Qaeda. Is there going to be disappointment later? We're bound to have disappointments, but the main message is that a new wind is blowing. He's closing down Guantanamo, sending Mitchell, pulling out of Iraq, and maybe I'm dreaming but I hope he would show Palestinians and Israelis tough love, both of them. Do you want to tell me that Bin Laden and all these nuts are not going to be nervous about him?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/01/28/was-obamas-interviewer-arab-chris-matthews

[bullypulpit]

So no comment on the thread topic - Obama gave his first interview as President to Al-Arabiya?

So no comment on his appeasing policy?

Ayers is a terrorist and is Obama's friend BP. Obama must feel comfortable around people like Ayers

Just a personal attack on me for pointing it out. So typical of you BP

What's to comment on? He extended a hand instead of a fist to Arab and Muslim governments around the world.

Please provide links from independent sources to verify your claim.

It wasn't a personal attack, it was a dispassionate analysis of your penchant for over simplification and sweeping, unfounded generalization. It's so much less effort for you and your fellow travelers than thinking.

[Kathianne]

What's to comment on? He extended a hand instead of a fist to Arab and Muslim governments around the world.

Please provide links from independent sources to verify your claim.

It wasn't a personal attack, it was a dispassionate analysis of your penchant for over simplification and sweeping, unfounded generalization. It's so much less effort for you and your fellow travelers than thinking.

I believe his allegory was the 'fist' was the Islamic countries?

[moderate democrat]

I believe his allegory was the 'fist' was the Islamic countries?

allegory? hardly. analogy, perhaps. metaphor, a stretch. allegory, no way.

[red states rule]

It's quite disturbing that this is Barak Obama's priority, over giving an interview to his campaign staff in the liberal media

[actsnoblemartin]

looks like?

more like, is like


Pres Obama does not get it. Looks like his policy is one of appeasement

snip

"Now, my job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world, that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries," Obama said in the interview.

He said that the United States must be "willing to talk to Iran" and that he would lay out a "framework" for those discussions over the next several months.

By contrast, Obama went out of his way to say that if America is "ready to initiate a new partnership [with the Muslim world] based on mutual respect and mutual interest, then I think that we can make significant progress."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012602035.html?hpid=topnews

[moderate democrat]

I fail to see how showing respect and opening channels of communication is synonymous with appeasement.

[Abbey Marie]

I fail to see how showing respect and opening channels of communication is synonymous with appeasement.

It depends on the culture. Macho, shooting-guns-in-the-air, women-beating type cultures think very differently than we do. For example, have Palestinians ever, on their own, without a third party setting it up and intervening, "Showed respect and opened channels of communication" with Israel?

[moderate democrat]

It depends on the culture. Macho, shooting-guns-in-the-air, women-beating type cultures think very differently than we do. For example, have Palestinians ever, on their own, without a third party setting it up and intervening, "Showed respect and opened channels of communication" with Israel?

that doesn't change the fact that nothing Obama has done or suggested in any way appeases our enemies.

[Abbey Marie]

that doesn't change the fact that nothing Obama has done or suggested in any way appeases our enemies.

Yes, it does, if their culture considers making such overtures to be weakness. And indications are, as in my example, that that is precisely how they see it. Else they would have done so themselves over these many decades.

[moderate democrat]

Yes, it does, if their culture considers making such overtures to be weakness. And indications are, as in my example, that that is precisely how they see it. Else they would have done so themselves over these many decades.

I beg to differ.
Obama hasn't appeased anyone.

ap⋅pease–verb to yield or concede to the belligerent demands of (a nation, group, person, etc.) in a conciliatory effort, sometimes at the expense of justice or other principles.

He hasn't yielded a thing. He hasn't conceded to any belligerent demands. He has not compromised justice or American principles.

[red states rule]

I beg to differ.
Obama hasn't appeased anyone.

ap⋅pease–verb to yield or concede to the belligerent demands of (a nation, group, person, etc.) in a conciliatory effort, sometimes at the expense of justice or other principles.

He hasn't yielded a thing. He hasn't conceded to any belligerent demands. He has not compromised justice or American principles.

Yes, the throat slitters and beheaders has Pres Obama's respect - and appeasement

[moderate democrat]

Yes, the throat slitters and beheaders has Pres Obama's respect - and appeasement

that is incorrect. He has zero respect for Islamic extremists, and he has not appeased any of them in the least. clearly, you do not understand the meaning of the word.

[red states rule]

that is incorrect. He has not appeased any of them in the least. clearly, you do not understand the meaning of the word.

You are using the same tactic when you tried to say Dems were not inserting surrender dates in Iraq funding bills

Old habits are hard to break, eh?

[moderate democrat]

You are using the same tactic when you tried to say Dems were not inserting surrender dates in Iraq funding bills

Old habits are hard to break, eh?

I don't know what you are talking about. I DO know that Obama has not yielded or conceded to any belligerent demands. I suggest you limit your posts to those words that you understand the meaning of and can use correctly. Otherwise, I will be unable to comprehend you.

[red states rule]

I don't know what you are talking about. I DO know that Obama has not yielded or conceded to any belligerent demands. I suggest you limit your posts to those words that you understand the meaning of and can use correctly. Otherwise, I will be unable to comprehend you.

You are a funny man

http://drdivas.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/wd.jpg

The liberal appeasers will ignore this picture and make the uasual make insane deflecting comments.

Truth selodom registers with them

Islam is totally barbaric and most surely evil.

[moderate democrat]

The liberal appeasers will ignore this picture and make the uasual make insane deflecting comments.

Truth selodom registers with them

Islam is totally barbaric and most surely evil.

wrong. Some Islamic extremists are barbaric and evil. Many many muslims abhor violence.

and, as I said, Obama has not yielded or conceded to any belligerent demands. That is the definition of appeasement. He has not, nor will not, do that to our enemies.

[red states rule]

wrong. Some Islamic extremists are barbaric and evil. Many many muslims abhor violence.

and, as I said, Obama has not yielded or conceded to any belligerent demands. That is the definition of appeasement. He has not, nor will not, do that to our enemies.

What the appeaser in chief fails to understand is - peace with someone who os determined to kill you requires one of the parties involved must be dead

[moderate democrat]

What the appeaser in chief fails to understand is - peace with someone who os determined to kill you requires one of the parties involved must be dead

fact: Obama has not yielded or conceded to any belligerent demands. That is the definition of appeasement. He has not, nor will not, do that to our enemies.

[hjmick]

Main Entry: ap·pease
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpēz\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): ap·peased; ap·peas·ing
Etymology: Middle English appesen, from Anglo-French apeser, apaiser, from a- (from Latin ad-) + pais peace — more at peace
Date: 14th century
1: to bring to a state of peace or quiet : calm
2: to cause to subside : allay <appeased my hunger>
3: pacify , conciliate ; especially : to buy off (an aggressor) by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles

[Yurt]

vat is vis dis a peas....come on peoples, zee proper einglish is: a pea

a peas iz wrong grammarz

pffffffft

[moderate democrat]

Main Entry: ap·pease
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpēz\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): ap·peased; ap·peas·ing
Etymology: Middle English appesen, from Anglo-French apeser, apaiser, from a- (from Latin ad-) + pais peace — more at peace
Date: 14th century
1: to bring to a state of peace or quiet : calm
2: to cause to subside : allay <appeased my hunger>
3: pacify , conciliate ; especially : to buy off (an aggressor) by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles

Mick... are you suggesting that, when red states rule calls Obama an appeaser, he is NOT implying defintion #3?

[hjmick]

Mick... are you suggesting that, when red states rule calls Obama an appeaser, he is NOT implying defintion #3?

Actually, I was simply providing the definition for the sake of the discussion. I like dictionaries.

Now that you mention it, however...

I think we all know what RSR meant and, for now, I have to disagree with him. Though I am not yet convinced that Obama's "Mr. Nice Guy Approach" is the way to go, I have yet to see any appeasement. Of course, the process is still in it's infancy. While I don't disagree with the message, my concern is this: The majority of those who saw the interview, in my opinion, are not necessarliy the ones whose hearts and minds it is we want to reach and influence. Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Obama's words and sentiments will find deaf ears with those who wish to do us harm. They will wish to hurt us, and the west in general, whether we shower them with rainbows and skittles or with daisy cutters.

[moderate democrat]

Actually, I was simply providing the definition for the sake of the discussion. I like dictionaries.

Now that you mention it, however...

I think we all know what RSR meant and, for now, I have to disagree with him. Though I am not yet convinced that Obama's "Mr. Nice Guy Approach" is the way to go, I have yet to see any appeasement. Of course, the process is still in it's infancy. While I don't disagree with the message, my concern is this: The majority of those who saw the interview, in my opinion, are not necessarliy the ones whose hearts and minds it is we want to reach and influence. Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Obama's words and sentiments will find deaf ears with those who wish to do us harm. They will wish to hurt us, and the west in general, whether we shower them with rainbows and skittles or with daisy cutters.

the ones who seek to do us harm are the distinct minority. If the rest of the muslim world listens and understands Obama's message, the extremists will be further marginalized, IMHO.

[Yurt]

the ones who seek to do us harm are the distinct minority. If the rest of the muslim world listens and understands Obama's message, the extremists will be further marginalized, IMHO.

how do you know they are a "distinct" minority?

[moderate democrat]

how do you know they are a "distinct" minority?

are you aware of what the acronym IMHO means?

[Yurt]

are you aware of what the acronym IMHO means?

so you making stuff up out of thin air....got it

have no evidence for it, but going to put it out there...

kind of like saying....i bet the majority are not violent, is that right?

[moderate democrat]

so you making stuff up out of thin air....got it

have no evidence for it, but going to put it out there...

kind of like saying....i bet the majority are not violent, is that right?
I was stating my opinion. nothing more.

[Yurt]

I was stating my opinion. nothing more.

right....like saying i bet... is that right?

[moderate democrat]

right....like saying i bet... is that right?

like saying it is an opinion. that is what I said..that is what it was. period.

[Yurt]

like saying it is an opinion. that is what I said..that is what it was. period.

so you admit that...saying "i bet" is like and opinion....

good to know

[bullypulpit]

It's quite disturbing that this is Barak Obama's priority, over giving an interview to his campaign staff in the liberal media

The only thing disturbing here is your single-minded devotion to right-wing political talking points to the exclusion of reason. You've never been the sharpest tool in the shed, but your cognitive decline is starting to worry me.

And you're still a pig.

[red states rule]

The only thing disturbing here is your single-minded devotion to right-wing political talking points to the exclusion of reason. You've never been the sharpest tool in the shed, but your cognitive decline is starting to worry me.

And you're still a pig.

Libs like you BP will have to learn how to think outside the mosque.

If you did not see the world-wide footage of muslims in every country celebrating the muslim attack on America in 2001 , then I can't figure where you were.

Whenever there is an attrack on the US or Israel, we see the same thing

Maybe if you and other appeasers would take off your blinders - you would see the real world as well

[moderate democrat]

so you admit that...saying "i bet" is like and opinion....

good to know

I have never said anything about betting in this discussion and, therefore, did not "admit" to any such thing. I state my opinion based upon what I have read. You claim to state your opinion based upon first hand knowledge in the region, but your story is totally suspect and we both know you lied about your age in an attempt to keep your stories straight, which makes YOUR opinion worthless in my opinion.

[moderate democrat]

Libs like you BP will have to learn how to think outside the mosque.

If you did not see the world-wide footage of muslims in every country celebrating the muslim attack on America in 2001 , then I can't figure where you were.

Whenever there is an attrack on the US or Israel, we see the same thing

Maybe if you and other appeasers would take off your blinders - you would see the real world as well

surveys indicate time and time again that the vast majority of the muslims worldwide did not support the actions of 9/11.

[red states rule]

I have never said anything about betting in this discussion and, therefore, did not "admit" to any such thing. I state my opinion based upon what I have read. You claim to state your opinion based upon first hand knowledge in the region, but your story is totally suspect and we both know you lied about your age in an attempt to keep your stories straight, which makes YOUR opinion worthless in my opinion.

Some things never change - and neither does Virgil the Interim Minister

Will you please give it up; and either STFU or debate the issues?

[moderate democrat]

as I said in my previous posts, you have got me confused with a previous poster, and you seem to continue that error as a means of avoiding talking about the points that I bring up. Quit bringing up this other fellow and debate me... or STFU, as you so quaintly put it. Your choice.

As I said earlier:
surveys indicate time and time again that the vast majority of the muslims worldwide did not support the actions of 9/11.

You should read this link and then we can discuss it and how it comports with your clearly inaccurate views of the Islamic world:

http://conconflicts.ssrc.org/archives/mideast/tessler/

Some of these surveys also investigate attitudes toward the United States. And the pattern that consistently emergences is a strong dislike for American foreign policy but much more nuanced, and often quite positive, attitudes toward American society and culture and toward the American people. This confirms what Americans visiting the Islamic world often hear in one-on-one conversations, and what I have been told on several occasions in exactly these words: "When you return to the US, give my love to the American people and tell your president to go to hell!"

The Zogby polls conducted in spring 2002 confirm that this pattern is indeed widespread. It is illustrated by the findings from Egypt shown in Table 4. The table shows the degree to which men and women in different age groups have favorable opinions about US education, US Freedom and Democracy, and US policy toward the Arabs. More specifically, it shows that while almost no respondents have a favorable attitude toward US policy, very substantial majorities have a positive view of our educational system and form of government. It also indicates that these positive attitudes are more common among younger Egyptians.

[moderate democrat]

here is another. care todebate this one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

In the article "Why are there no condemnations from Muslim sources against terrorists?" Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance summarizes:

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc.
Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets.
In fact, many Muslims have spoken out against 9/11 [1] and terrorist attacks in general.[2][3] However, some Muslims admit that most terrorists are in fact Muslim [4]

A 2005 Pew Research study that involved 17,000 people in 17 countries showed support for terrorism in the Muslim world declining along with a growing belief that Islamic extremism represents a threat to those countries.[2]A Daily Telegraph survey[3]showed that 6% of British Muslims fully supported the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground.

The Free Muslims Coalition[5] rallied against terror, stating that they wanted to send "a message to radical Muslims and supporters of terrorism that we reject them and that we will defeat them."

On the other hand, Fethullah Gülen, a prominent Turkish Islamic scholar, has claimed that "a real Muslim," who understood Islam in every aspect, could not be a terrorist. [4] [5] There are several, if not many, other people with similar points of view such as Karen Armstrong [6], Prof. Ahmet Akgunduz [7], and Harun Yahya [8]




another great article:

http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/jesse.shapiro/research/antiamer.pdf

[Yurt]

I have never said anything about betting in this discussion and, therefore, did not "admit" to any such thing. I state my opinion based upon what I have read. You claim to state your opinion based upon first hand knowledge in the region, but your story is totally suspect and we both know you lied about your age in an attempt to keep your stories straight, which makes YOUR opinion worthless in my opinion.

translation:

i still don't have the scholarly work i claimed existed to prove yurt wrong.

you're a liar and a political hack...

you had better improve your conversations on this board or you will get no respect. don't claim you have scholarly work that will prove you right and then fail to produce it. see, people understand that only liars make such idiotic claims. if you like, i can give you lessons on how to improve your debate skills, just shoot me a pm and let me know.

[moderate democrat]

translation: "I know that this moderate democrat guy has figured out that I was lying my ass off about being in the middle east in '81. I know that he knows that I changed my birthdate and then I lied about it. I know that I don't have any proof whatsoever that he has broken promises... so I'll just act righteously indignant while I tapdance away from all of that."

Here is an interesting document you should read: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rl31232.pdf

a particularly interesting quote which would seem to bolster my position and not yours:

"Perhaps the most frequently cited source of resentment against the United States among Arabs and Muslims is their conviction that U.S. policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict is biased toward Israel."

[Yurt]

actually moron, your so-called scholarly work...which you still haven't produced liar....proves me right:


There is a widespread perception in the region of U.S. society as fundamentally alien, if not hostile, to Islamic beliefs and values.

Some individuals who express admiration for U.S. values such as freedom and opportunity often criticize aspects of American popular culture.

and on and on

the entire article proves that israel is really only a small issue out of many, exactly what i said.

thanks for proving me right.

[moderate democrat]

actually moron, your so-called scholarly work...which you still haven't produced liar....proves me right:



and on and on

the entire article proves that israel is really only a small issue out of many, exactly what i said.

thanks for proving me right.
I guessed you missed this:

"Perhaps the most frequently cited source of resentment against the United States among Arabs and Muslims is their conviction that U.S. policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict is biased toward Israel."

[Yurt]

"Perhaps the most frequently cited source of resentment against the United States among Arabs and Muslims is their conviction that U.S. policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict is biased toward Israel."


perhaps? just perhaps...and good lord you completely ignore all the other reasons...and that is NOT scholarly work, it is pure conjecture, not fact. you're dumber than i thought.

[moderate democrat]

"Perhaps the most frequently cited source of resentment against the United States among Arabs and Muslims is their conviction that U.S. policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict is biased toward Israel."


perhaps? just perhaps...and good lord you completely ignore all the other reasons...and that is NOT scholarly work, it is pure conjecture, not fact. you're dumber than i thought.

"the most frequently cited source".... not our crazy rock music.... but Israel. Like I said. I am surprised that all the muslims that you talked to when you were over there climbing pyramids at the age of eight didn't tell you that.

[Yurt]

"the most frequently cited source".... not our crazy rock music.... but Israel. Like I said. I am surprised that all the muslims that you talked to when you were over there climbing pyramids at the age of eight didn't tell you that.

you ignorant hack...

Main Entry: 1per·haps
Pronunciation: \pər-ˈhaps, ˈpraps\
Function: adverb
Etymology: per + hap
Date: 1528
: possibly but not certainly : maybe

PERHAPS....did you miss that in your false scholarly work moron? i notice you had to cut off the word PERHAPS to make your point...you're dishonest

[moderate democrat]

you ignorant hack...

Main Entry: 1per·haps
Pronunciation: \pər-ˈhaps, ˈpraps\
Function: adverb
Etymology: per + hap
Date: 1528
: possibly but not certainly : maybe

PERHAPS....did you miss that in your false scholarly work moron? i notice you had to cut off the word PERHAPS to make your point...you're dishonest


that's what you got? the use of the word perhaps at the beginning of sentence? LOL

Tell me what the muslims told you concerning Israel when you were eight, you liar.

[Yurt]

that's what you got? the use of the word perhaps at the beginning of sentence? LOL

Tell me what the muslims told you concerning Israel when you were eight, you liar.

yeah it is what i got...you claimed it as FACT, it is not fact it is a big fat maybe...you cut out the word maybe/perhaps, you purposefully altered the quote from your non-scholarly quote, you are a dishonest hack. are you really claiming that because it is at the beginning of the sentence it has nothing to do with the rest of the sentence? you're stupid.

i already told you what muslims told me, are you senile as well as a liar?

[moderate democrat]

yeah it is what i got...you claimed it as FACT, it is not fact it is a big fat maybe...you cut out the word maybe/perhaps, you purposefully altered the quote from your non-scholarly quote, you are a dishonest hack. are you really claiming that because it is at the beginning of the sentence it has nothing to do with the rest of the sentence? you're stupid.

i already told you what muslims told me, are you senile as well as a liar?

and they told you this when you were eight?:lol:

[Yurt]

"Perhaps the most frequently cited source of resentment against the United States among Arabs and Muslims is their conviction that U.S. policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict is biased toward Israel."

"Maybe the most frequently cited source of resentment against the United States among Arabs and Muslims is their conviction that U.S. policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict is biased toward Israel."

"Possibly but not certainly the most frequently cited source of resentment against the United States among Arabs and Muslims is their conviction that U.S. policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict is biased toward Israel."

[Yurt]

and they told you this when you were eight?:lol:

i told you i do not put my real birthday on the internet...as you can see, creepy stalkers like yourself try to get personal information about me (you sought out my personal information on the internet) and use it to harm me.

but do keep yourself occupied with a red herring

you lied about having scholarly work to prove i was not in the ME. fact, you are liar.

[moderate democrat]

i told you i do not put my real birthday on the internet...as you can see, creepy stalkers like yourself try to get personal information about me (you sought out my personal information on the internet) and use it to harm me.

but do keep yourself occupied with a red herring

you lied about having scholarly work to prove i was not in the ME. fact, you are liar.

I lied about nothing. You clearly lied about your being in the middle east, talking with muslims in the region and climbing the pyramids (for what reason, I have no idea). Why would you put one birthday on this site and then, when it doesn't fit your fictional account of your travels in te area, change that birthday? Clearly, yoiu are a wannabe middle east "expert" who doesn't know shit from fat meat.

If you honestly think that there are not tons of sites which delineate the anger that muslims feel about America's uncritcal support of Israel, you are kidding yourself. Here's another one for you:

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/361.php?nid=&id=&pnt=361&lb=btvoc

For decades, polls in the Muslim world and the statements of Muslim leaders have shown a variety of resentments about US policies. Muslims share the worldwide view that the US does not live up to its own ideals of international law and democracy. There have also been specific complaints that the US favors Israel over the Palestinians and the Arab world as a whole, that the US exploits the Middle East for its oil and that it hypocritically supports non-democratic governments that accommodate its interests. These attitudes persist.

Why don't you be honest and admit that the closest you have ever gotten to the middle east was having a falafel at a lebanese restaurant in SLO, and stop your silly assertions to the contrary.

[Yurt]

I lied about nothing. You clearly lied about your being in the middle east, talking with muslims in the region and climbing the pyramids (for what reason, I have no idea). Why would you put one birthday on this site and then, when it doesn't fit your fictional account of your travels in te area, change that birthday? Clearly, yoiu are a wannabe middle east "expert" who doesn't know shit from fat meat.

If you honestly think that there are not tons of sites which delineate the anger that muslims feel about America's uncritcal support of Israel, you are kidding yourself. Here's another one for you:

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/361.php?nid=&id=&pnt=361&lb=btvoc

For decades, polls in the Muslim world and the statements of Muslim leaders have shown a variety of resentments about US policies. Muslims share the worldwide view that the US does not live up to its own ideals of international law and democracy. There have also been specific complaints that the US favors Israel over the Palestinians and the Arab world as a whole, that the US exploits the Middle East for its oil and that it hypocritically supports non-democratic governments that accommodate its interests. These attitudes persist.

Why don't you be honest and admit that the closest you have ever gotten to the middle east was having a falafel at a lebanese restaurant in SLO, and stop your silly assertions to the contrary.

thanks for proving you are virgil by knowing my home town...

you know i wasn't there because all the facts i listed are your facts virgil.

[manu1959]

thanks for proving you are virgil by knowing my home town...

you know i wasn't there because all the facts i listed are your facts virgil.

game......set ....and match.....

[Yurt]

game......set ....and match.....

:dance:

i enjoyed it.

[moderate democrat]

thanks for proving you are virgil by knowing my home town...

you know i wasn't there because all the facts i listed are your facts virgil.


I knew your hometown by reading your past posts. I have never been to the middle east, although I would love to go. I don't think I would try to climb a pyramid, however. I would be happy just to visit the Cairo Museum... I am a big fan of King Tut.

and I noticed you avoided, once again, the link I provided proving that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

coward

[Yurt]

I knew your hometown by reading your past posts. I have never been to the middle east, although I would love to go. I don't think I would try to climb a pyramid, however. I would be happy just to visit the Cairo Museum... I am a big fan of King Tut.

:lol:

liar

you must have had to read thousands of my posts to find where i talk about my hometown.

i haven't talked about it for months and if you don't do a search you only get my last 500 posts....dude, you have to lie a little bit better :laugh2:

[moderate democrat]

:lol:

liar

you must have had to read thousands of my posts to find where i talk about my hometown.

i haven't talked about it for months and if you don't do a search you only get my last 500 posts....dude, you have to lie a little bit better :laugh2:

I admit it took some digging, but it is there to be found, and I found it. Do you deny you live in San Luis Opisbo? yes or no?

Do you deny that you have lied about being in the middle east (when you were only eight years old)? yes or no?

[Yurt]

I admit it took some digging, but it is there to be found, and I found it. Do you deny you live in San Luis Opisbo? yes or no?

Do you deny that you have lied about being in the middle east (when you were only eight years old)? yes or no?

stalker...why are you trying to find out where i live?

effing stalker, you had to dig to find out where i live...

[moderate democrat]

stalker...why are you trying to find out where i live?

effing stalker, you had to dig to find out where i live...
it is here. I found it. you are a lawyer who has never, before this thread, ever claimed to have been in the middle east or to have climbed a pyramid.

You are a proven liar.

I just found that by searching this site. I am not stalking you....just trying to read all I can read that you wrote, so to better understand my adversary. I am not stalking you. I don't care what law office you work for or who your clients are. I just found out enough about you to determine that you are a liar and that your posts, therefore, are not worth the bandwidth you wasted to write them.

I guess that's about all there is to say, isn't it? liar?

[Yurt]

dude, you're such a liar. face it, you lost.

virgil :laugh2:

i mean seriously, how pathetic is your life if you have to lie about who you are on a message board...

[moderate democrat]

dude, you're such a liar. face it, you lost.

virgil :laugh2:

i mean seriously, how pathetic is your life if you have to lie about who you are on a message board...

I am not lying. HOw pathetic are YOU that you have to create this boogyman to attack in a sad effort to avoid discussing the topic at hand?

I DARE you to drop this silliness about me being this fellow MFM and talk issues with me.

Clearly, you cannot. All you can do is LIE about your experience in the region and expose your lack of understanding about the region and its people.

[Yurt]

whatever stalker preacher

i do debate the issues, i just like people to be honest and not liars like you

virgil/mfm/retiredman....

you got cold busted and have now blown your top...you did not search my posts to find out where i lived and my profession, that would be next to impossible as the see all yurt's posts only goes back 500 posts...you would have had to have direct knowledge of me to search out my hometown...

[red states rule]

stalker...why are you trying to find out where i live?

effing stalker, you had to dig to find out where i live...

Yurt, it did not take long for the REAL Virgil to start showing thru. I do not know what he hoped to accomlish by having JIm change his name - Jim can't change his posting style

Virgil's arrogance, swager, condescending attitude, and anger is clear to see

Go to JPP and you will see the same posting style

[moderate democrat]

whatever stalker preacher

i do debate the issues, i just like people to be honest and not liars like you

virgil/mfm/retiredman....

you got cold busted and have now blown your top...you did not search my posts to find out where i lived and my profession, that would be next to impossible as the see all yurt's posts only goes back 500 posts...you would have had to have direct knowledge of me to search out my hometown...

I say again:

I am not lying. How pathetic are YOU that you have to create this boogyman to attack in a sad effort to avoid discussing the topic at hand?

I DARE you to drop this silliness about me being this fellow MFM and talk issues with me. Now... either you will do that, or you won't. What will it be yurt? Your call. We're kind of at a crossroads here, you and me. Which way are we going to go?