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-Cp
03-11-2009, 02:15 PM
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/03/11/school-shooting-in-germany/at-least-nine-dead-in-stuttgart-bloodbath-gunman-fired-at-pupils.html

A school shooting bloodbath near Stuttgart in Germany has left at least 15 people dead - with the gunman killing himself after an exchange of fire with the police.

He shot himself in the head in the parking lot of a car dealership in Wendlinger, where he had reportedly killed two more people, bring the number of people dead up to at least 15.

First reports indicate that the victims include a nine pupils, two teachers, a gardener and two passersby.

The killer - reported to be a 17-year-old former pupil identified as Tim Kretschmer - struck in the idyllic historical town of Winnenden in the Rems-Murr district.

Witnesses described a young person wearing black combat gear storming the Albertville School at 10am.

Without a word, he opened fire in corridors and rooms. Eleven people have been reported to have been killed, with several more injured. Police confirmed a death toll of 15 - previously mistakenly put at 16 - and said there had been "numerous wounded".

A spokeswoman for the interior ministry in the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg said: "We have to assume a death toll that’s in the double-digits." She added: "These are students."

The gunman fled following the massacre and is said to be on the loose in the city centre. Police have evacuated the school and closed off the town and the surrounding regions to search for the killer, with helicopters circling above the town. Motorists have been warned against picking up hitchhkers.

"Police are coming through the whole time. They’re obviously looking all over town for him,“ said Roberto Seifert, who works at a company neighbouring the school. "We’ve never had anything like this,“ he told Reuters by phone.

Reports suggest the killer was a former pupil at the school, and his parents apparently had 18 weapons at home legally. Whether the gunman used weapons from their arsenal is not yet known.

Baden-Württemberg Minister President Günther Oettinger (CDU) spoke of a “harrowing and in no way explainable act”. He also expressed his sympathies to parents and pupils in Winneden: “The whole of Baden-Wuerttemberg has been affected. A school is a place of the future, and to disturb and destroy development and education is particularly vile.”

In April 2002, Germany was rocked by its worst school shooting after a gunman killed 17 people, including himself, at a secondary school in the eastern city of Erfurt.

Noir
03-11-2009, 02:23 PM
....Right, cus that would never happen in America.

Let me ask how you would define 'help'?

-Cp
03-11-2009, 07:17 PM
....Right, cus that would never happen in America.

Let me ask how you would define 'help'?

I was pointing out that regardless of gun-laws (i.e. the ones that rape the legit gun owners of their rights) that folks hell-bent on doing damage - even in candy-ass-gun-control-countries like Germany can still get the guns and do this crap...

5stringJeff
03-11-2009, 08:33 PM
....Right, cus that would never happen in America.

Let me ask how you would define 'help'?

In America, schools are declared "gun-free zones," so that those who can legally carry concealed weapons anywhere else can't carry them in schools. Thus, schoolchildren are robbed of any type of protection they might otherwise enjoy. That's why schools make easy targets for people who want to kill lots of victims.