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red states rule
04-05-2009, 04:19 PM
Another day - another liberal lie exposed

In this Newsweek oped piece, Eleanor Clift shows the real side of liberal's view of bipartisanship

Liberals should be cheering the 'death' of conservatism. Libs should be dancing in the streets that we're apparently being tossed onto the dustbin of history. Libs should be throwing confetti and breaking out the bubbly that we're 'incapable of being serious partner in legislation', according to Eleanor

But what are they doing, they're sniffing, in a pet, that we won't just 'go along' and they'd be forced to use reconciliation to move health-care 'reform'.

Why? Shouldn't they just wait for GOP members to be unseated by their furious constituency? That's going to happen, right? I mean, if they're running ads about health care for 11 million children and we're running ads about parliamentary procedure, they're going to win, right?

Right?



CAPITOL LETTEREleanor CliftLooking For Reconciliation
Since senate Democrats will be able to push through health-care reform without them, Republicans should try participating in the legislation instead of just obstructing.

Apr 3, 2009


Democrats are determined to get health-care reform through Congress. If that means using a parliamentary maneuver known as reconciliation, which allows the party in power to roll over the minority, Republicans will cry foul, but will anybody care about their hurt feelings? Nobody outside of Washington has any idea what reconciliation means in parliamentary terms, and not many Beltway insiders can fully explain it either, except to say it's a nifty way to get around the rules requiring a 60-vote supermajority on certain types of legislation, a system that allows 41 Republicans to block just about anything President Obama and the Democrats propose.

Republicans threaten to stall the Senate calendar with their own legislative high jinks if the Democrats pull out reconciliation. Democrats believe a record of accomplishment will trump the GOP's complaints about process when the two parties are put to the test in the midterm congressional elections. "If we're running ads in November 2010 about health care for 11 million children and the Republicans are running ads about Robert's Rules of Order, I think we're going to get some pickups," says Jon Vogel, executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Vogel offered his assessment, along with his compatriots from the other congressional campaign committees, at a panel Wednesday assembled by the National Journal to assess the meaning of the special election in rural upstate New York to fill Kirsten Gillibrand's seat. With 25 votes separating Democrat Scott Murphy and Republican Jim Tedisco, and the victor uncertain, neither party could claim much in the way of bragging rights, although that didn't stop them from trying. Guy Harrison, executive director of the National Republican Congressional Committee, warned that Democrats could "steal" the seat just like Al Franken had almost stolen a seat in Minnesota. Republicans vow to take their legal appeal all the way to the Supreme Court if the next round of contested absentee ballots ordered counted by the state court favors Franken.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/192346

bullypulpit
04-05-2009, 04:41 PM
Given the refusal of all but three GOP Senators to vote for the stimulus package and the refusal of all to vote for the interim budget, why bother? After all, they'll just go back to their districts and brag about the bacon they're bringing home.

The "Party of 'NO!'"...No ideas...no principles...no vision...That's the GOP's new motto. :laugh2:

red states rule
04-05-2009, 04:43 PM
Given the refusal of all but three GOP Senators to vote for the stimulus package and the refusal of all to vote for the interim budget, why bother? After all, they'll just go back to their districts and brag about the bacon they're bringing home.

The "Party of 'NO!'"...No ideas...no principles...no vision...That's the GOP's new motto. :laugh2:

Sorry BP - but as usual you have it wrong

Dems are terrifed. Dems are in charge and they're scared silly about the debt and the spending. What if it doesn't work? What if we're wrong?

The Democrats have already lost the 'corporate welfare' argument forever. I think these guys desperately want someone to hold their hand as they leap off the ledge, because that way...

...there's someone else for the American people to blame when the weight of this bloated debt and bad checks comes crashing down around their ears. They do not want to be the one left holding the bag.

They could care less about us and our political welfare. They're scared silly.

Dems are looking to get some Republicnas to vote for their insane spending so they can blame them as the economy gets worse, more people lose thier jobs, and as deficits far exceed $2 trillion per year

You of course, will blame the Republican minority and look for others to pass the buck to and not your party leaders

bullypulpit
04-05-2009, 04:56 PM
Sorry BP - but as usual you have it wrong

Dems are terrifed. Dems are in charge and they're scared silly about the debt and the spending. What if it doesn't work? What if we're wrong?

The Democrats have already lost the 'corporate welfare' argument forever. I think these guys desperately want someone to hold their hand as they leap off the ledge, because that way...

...there's someone else for the American people to blame when the weight of this bloated debt and bad checks comes crashing down around their ears. They do not want to be the one left holding the bag.

They could care less about us and our political welfare. They're scared silly.

Dems are looking to get some Republicnas to vote for their insane spending so they can blame them as the economy gets worse, more people lose thier jobs, and as deficits far exceed $2 trillion per year

You of course, will blame the Republican minority and look for others to pass the buck to and not your party leaders

Got ANYTHING to back that up? Didn't think so. Take some Roxanol and go back to sleep.

red states rule
04-05-2009, 04:59 PM
Got ANYTHING to back that up? Didn't think so. Take some Roxanol and go back to sleep.

BP, Dems do not need any Republican votes in the House, and now they want to bypass the rues and not have to get 60 votes in the Senate

You guys are in charge and now you are trying to give yourself much needed cover

Dems are acting like patronizing, intolerant, arrogant snobs. They pretend to care for their own ego's sake.

bullypulpit
04-05-2009, 05:07 PM
BP, Dems do not need any Republican votes in the House, and now they want to bypass the rues and not have to get 60 votes in the Senate

You guys are in charge and now you are trying to give yourself much needed cover

Dems are acting like patronizing, intolerant, arrogant snobs. They pretend to care for their own ego's sake.

Ya got it wrong Red. With the GOP majority in the Senate during the Bush administration did the same thing but without even attempting to get input from the Dems. And, at least the Dems pretend to care...The GOP doesn't even make that pretense.

red states rule
04-05-2009, 05:09 PM
Ya got it wrong Red. With the GOP majority in the Senate during the Bush administration did the same thing but without even attempting to get input from the Dems. And, at least the Dems pretend to care...The GOP doesn't even make that pretense.

You are good a trying to rewrite history BP. Remember Newt passing "power sharing", and Pelosi turns around and repealed them recently?

The libs are like that guy who somehow gets approved on that super fancy car that he can't really afford. He says, "WOW, this thing is great, but I really can't afford this thing. So, stubbornly, he continues to drive that big fancy car for a few years until it is REPOSSESSED. (2010, 2012)

So far your party has broken many of the prmises they made to get elected - and people are starting to notice