Tea Parties - Anyone going?

[avatar4321]

I was just wondering.

[Trigg]

I sure am, and I'm taking my two oldest with me!!!!!


There was a big article in the paper today saying that Alan Keyes is going to be a speaker at the one I"m going to. He also appeared at one in Pittsburgh last week.

In the article he says "he blames both major parties for the recession and the spendthrift policies approved to combat it". Those are pretty much my thoughts on the gov. spending also.

[Mr. P]

The Big one here is in downtown Atlanta..I don't go into Atlanta if I don't have to.. So, No.

[Bonnie]

Heading to one now:salute:

[emmett]

Tea Parties will make as much difference as a smelly fart. The left will take no notice of it. Therefore it is a waste of time. If everyone who will participate in one throughout the country today would write a letter to 3 Liberal US Senators instead we might accomplish something. Even if they ignored it, as they will the tea parties, it will stuff up their mailboxes and get attention.

[Trigg]

Tea Parties will make as much difference as a smelly fart. The left will take no notice of it. Therefore it is a waste of time. If everyone who will participate in one throughout the country today would write a letter to 3 Liberal US Senators instead we might accomplish something. Even if they ignored it, as they will the tea parties, it will stuff up their mailboxes and get attention.

I don't think this is a waste of time. The gov. and MSM need to realize that the people have a voice and aren't afraid to get out en mass to drive that point home.

Again, this isn't a republican event. EVERYONE who doesn't want to see their children or grandchildren piled under a growing national debt needs to get out and go to these events.

[crin63]

Tea Parties will make as much difference as a smelly fart. The left will take no notice of it. Therefore it is a waste of time. If everyone who will participate in one throughout the country today would write a letter to 3 Liberal US Senators instead we might accomplish something. Even if they ignored it, as they will the tea parties, it will stuff up their mailboxes and get attention.

My friend you sound like a Republican talking about Libertarians.

[Kathianne]

I don't think this is a waste of time. The gov. and MSM need to realize that the people have a voice and aren't afraid to get out en mass to drive that point home.

Again, this isn't a republican event. EVERYONE who doesn't want to see their children or grandchildren piled under a growing national debt needs to get out and go to these events.

Agree:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Anti-tax-protests/ss/events/us/041509teaparties/im:/090415/480/70de0888376f46b6a2dac0ba99bf7964/

and this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123975867505519363.html


OPINIONAPRIL 15, 2009
Tax Day Becomes Protest Day
How the tea parties could change American politics.
By GLENN HARLAN REYNOLDS

Today American taxpayers in more than 300 locations in all 50 states will hold rallies -- dubbed "tea parties" -- to protest higher taxes and out-of-control government spending. There is no political party behind these rallies, no grand right-wing conspiracy, not even a 501(c) group like MoveOn.org.

So who's behind the Tax Day tea parties? Ordinary folks who are using the power of the Internet to organize. For a number of years, techno-geeks have been organizing "flash crowds" -- groups of people, coordinated by text or cellphone, who converge on a particular location and then do something silly, like the pillow fights that popped up in 50 cities earlier this month. This is part of a general phenomenon dubbed "Smart Mobs" by Howard Rheingold, author of a book by the same title, in which modern communications and social-networking technologies allow quick coordination among large numbers of people who don't know each other.

In the old days, organizing large groups of people required, well, an organization: a political party, a labor union, a church or some other sort of structure. Now people can coordinate themselves....

...What's most striking about the tea-party movement is that most of the organizers haven't ever organized, or even participated, in a protest rally before. General disgust has drawn a lot of people off the sidelines and into the political arena, and they are already planning for political action after today.

Cincinnati organizer Mike Wilson, a novice organizer who drew 5,000 people to a rally on March 15, is now planning to create a political action committee and a permanent political organization to press for lower taxes and reduced spending. Tucson tea party organizer Robert Mayer told me that his organization will focus on city council elections in the fall as its next priority. And there's lots of Internet chatter about ways of taking things further after today's protests.

This influx of new energy and new talent is likely to inject new life into small-government politics around the nation. The mainstream Republican Party still seems limp and disorganized. This grassroots effort may revitalize it. Or the tea-party movement may lead to a new third party that may replace the GOP, just as the GOP replaced the fractured and hapless Whigs.

[emmett]

My point simply is that the same amount of time could be spent stuffing mailboxes with letters to Legislators. This effect lasts. When the Tea Parties are over, the deaf ears don't have to hear it anymore until the next time.

That was all I was saying. I probably did a poor job of articulating my point but I still believe in theory the time and effort could be spent more productively. One can write a well founded letter to a Congressman in fifteen minutes. Most will tie up hours tonight at a Tea Party. One could write a dozen letters in that time. Multiply that by the number of folks attending Parties tonight and I would think that to be a much more effective method of getting attention to the cause.....that's all!

[Bonnie]

Tea Parties will make as much difference as a smelly fart. The left will take no notice of it. Therefore it is a waste of time. If everyone who will participate in one throughout the country today would write a letter to 3 Liberal US Senators instead we might accomplish something. Even if they ignored it, as they will the tea parties, it will stuff up their mailboxes and get attention.

At our rally we were given protest forms to fill out and send to our reps. People were grabbing them up like crazy. I don't think this is just passing thing.

[Bonnie]

I don't think this is a waste of time. The gov. and MSM need to realize that the people have a voice and aren't afraid to get out en mass to drive that point home.

Again, this isn't a republican event. EVERYONE who doesn't want to see their children or grandchildren piled under a growing national debt needs to get out and go to these events.


The best measure of the impact is how the Liberal press are attempting to marginalize and even belittle those who attended as kooks, extremists etc. I saw people from all walks of life, old, young, liberal, conservative, long hairs. And every one of them was concerned about taking government back from Washington. It was great!!

[Kathianne]

At our rally we were given protest forms to fill out and send to our reps. People were grabbing them up like crazy. I don't think this is just passing thing.

I agree. I'm uncertain of the venue they will take, but I'm hoping for leadership to emerge to replace the GOP, we need something to counter the liberals. We being those of us for smaller government, both in costs and involvement. I don't want the gov't in banking, insurance, or business in general. I don't want them in my bedroom, my kids' education, or my body.

[glockmail]

Winston-Salem, NC:

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[glockmail]

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[Kathianne]

Tea Parties will make as much difference as a smelly fart. The left will take no notice of it. Therefore it is a waste of time. If everyone who will participate in one throughout the country today would write a letter to 3 Liberal US Senators instead we might accomplish something. Even if they ignored it, as they will the tea parties, it will stuff up their mailboxes and get attention.

I have to disagree. Not only is the left taking notice of, they are trying, but failing to spin. They are pissing off people that were not 'on board.' It's not about the right or left, Democrats and Republicans, but Americans that appalled at what is happening. Be it socialism or communism, it's not what most Americans want!

[PostmodernProphet]

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t345/Southernmanpics/TEA/P1050478.jpg

okay, now I'm convinced....that guy in the white shirt has GOT to be a right wing extremist......that white-knuckled grip was absolutely MADE for clutching guns and bibles.....

[Bonnie]

I agree. I'm uncertain of the venue they will take, but I'm hoping for leadership to emerge to replace the GOP, we need something to counter the liberals. We being those of us for smaller government, both in costs and involvement. I don't want the gov't in banking, insurance, or business in general. I don't want them in my bedroom, my kids' education, or my body.

Exactly Kathianne. And that was the theme of the protest I attended.

[Bonnie]

okay, now I'm convinced....that guy in the white shirt has GOT to be a right wing extremist......that white-knuckled grip was absolutely MADE for clutching guns and bibles.....


:laugh2:

[April15]

At our rally we were given protest forms to fill out and send to our reps. People were grabbing them up like crazy. I don't think this is just passing thing.The conservatives have a good plan for the destruction of America. I saw it coming way back with raygoon. I knew that if the hostages were released the day raygoon was sworn in or before that he violated the law of the land. Turns out he had no concerns for law or the constitution. Iran-contra, Grenada to mention a couple.

[avatar4321]

The conservatives have a good plan for the destruction of America. I saw it coming way back with raygoon. I knew that if the hostages were released the day raygoon was sworn in or before that he violated the law of the land. Turns out he had no concerns for law or the constitution. Iran-contra, Grenada to mention a couple.

And we are supposedly the wackos

[5stringJeff]

I went. 15,000 strong in Atlanta!

[Mr. P]

I went. 15,000 strong in Atlanta!

Only 15K? It looked like much more on the news.

[5stringJeff]

Only 15K? It looked like much more on the news.

That was the official estimate by those running the show. They had three city blocks packed full, plus some more on adjoining streets. There were 3-4K just on the city block in front of the Capitol.

[Bonnie]

The conservatives have a good plan for the destruction of America. I saw it coming way back with raygoon. I knew that if the hostages were released the day raygoon was sworn in or before that he violated the law of the land. Turns out he had no concerns for law or the constitution. Iran-contra, Grenada to mention a couple.

:laugh2: What does Reagan and the hostage release almost thirty years ago have to do with every day Americans not wanting socialism and government involved in every aspect of their lives????

[CockySOB]

I attended our local event, which for a small town of maybe 8,000 the turnout of 100 or so on a workday was pretty good. Another town nearby had a similar turnout as well. It's a start.

[Agnapostate]

Be it socialism or communism, it's not what most Americans want!

It be neither, considering that socialism necessitates the public ownership of the means of production. Our current state of affairs is nowhere near sufficient. Referring to such a state of affairs as "communism" is even more inaccurate.


:laugh2: What does Reagan and the hostage release almost thirty years ago have to do with every day Americans not wanting socialism and government involved in every aspect of their lives????

For one thing, since rightists seem determined to inaccurately refer to any variety of government intervention in the economy as "socialism," we could mention Reagan's military Keynesianism and the manner in which it conflicted with his stated free market ideals.

[avatar4321]

:laugh2: What does Reagan and the hostage release almost thirty years ago have to do with every day Americans not wanting socialism and government involved in every aspect of their lives????

What's really funny about all this, we've gone thousands of years without socialism. Yet somehow, fighting to prevent it in America will destroy us.

[bullypulpit]

I sure am, and I'm taking my two oldest with me!!!!!


There was a big article in the paper today saying that Alan Keyes is going to be a speaker at the one I"m going to. He also appeared at one in Pittsburgh last week.

In the article he says "he blames both major parties for the recession and the spendthrift policies approved to combat it". Those are pretty much my thoughts on the gov. spending also.


Oh, now that's just disgusting...teabagging with your kids.

[Trigg]

Oh, now that's just disgusting...teabagging with your kids.

You disgusting piece of crap.

I have NEVER talked about people's family or children on this forum.

This sexual term is disgusting and is only being promoted by the liberal media. I'm flat out amazed that they're allowed to repeat it on air as many times as they did. Perhaps they hoped that no one knew what this term meant.

Obviously you do, and you've decided it's ok to use it in regards to my children. FUCK OFF

[Agnapostate]

LOL, ever noticed that Murdoch puts out the raunchiest stuff around on the FOX Network, despite the political leanings of the Fox News Channel? :laugh2:

[emmett]

The conservatives have a good plan for the destruction of America. I saw it coming way back with raygoon. I knew that if the hostages were released the day raygoon was sworn in or before that he violated the law of the land. Turns out he had no concerns for law or the constitution. Iran-contra, Grenada to mention a couple.


You forgot to mention the tearing down of the Berlin Wall. Oh excuse me, you don't consider that a good thing, what was I thinking?

[Agnapostate]

The Soviet collapse wasn't related so much to him as the failed internal state capitalist structure of the USSR.

[Mr. P]

The Soviet collapse wasn't related so much to him as the failed internal state capitalist structure of the USSR.

Of course you meant to say: A failed Communist structure.

[darin]

Oh, now that's just disgusting...teabagging with your kids.

Way to earn a ban. See you in a couple weeks. When you come back, and find this, you owe Trigg an apology.

[Agnapostate]

Of course you meant to say: A failed Communist structure.

It's not accurate to identify the Soviet Union's economic structure as "socialist" or "communist." Socialism necessitates collective ownership and control of the means of production. Now, this collective ownership can theoretically be manifested (to some extent) through the state apparatus, as is the case in Venezuela, but they do not adhere to a "state socialist" model, and instead rely on local collectivization and governance.

The condition of the collective ownership of the means of production was not satisfied in the Soviet Union because the Bolshevik regime was extremely hostile towards the spread of democracy, as indicated by the dispatch of two Cheka agents to assassinate Nestor Makhno, or the Red Army's brutal suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion. Indeed, since it was a rule of the party and the Politburo, no condition of collective governance was satisfied, and a replacement of the tsarist ruling class was instead formed that mirrored the ruling class of Western capitalist nations, and thus formed a state capitalist ruling class.

[5stringJeff]

It's not accurate to identify the Soviet Union's economic structure as "socialist" or "communist." Socialism necessitates collective ownership and control of the means of production. Now, this collective ownership can theoretically be manifested (to some extent) through the state apparatus, as is the case in Venezuela, but they do not adhere to a "state socialist" model, and instead rely on local collectivization and governance.

The condition of the collective ownership of the means of production was not satisfied in the Soviet Union because the Bolshevik regime was extremely hostile towards the spread of democracy, as indicated by the dispatch of two Cheka agents to assassinate Nestor Makhno, or the Red Army's brutal suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion. Indeed, since it was a rule of the party and the Politburo, no condition of collective governance was satisfied, and a replacement of the tsarist ruling class was instead formed that mirrored the ruling class of Western capitalist nations, and thus formed a state capitalist ruling class.

Wow. I can't believe I'm reading a socialist who thinks the USSR wasn't a communist country.

[Kathianne]

Wow. I can't believe I'm reading a socialist who thinks the USSR wasn't a communist country.

LOL! You 'gotta be there Jeff.' LOL!

[April15]

You forgot to mention the tearing down of the Berlin Wall. Oh excuse me, you don't consider that a good thing, what was I thinking?The Pope had more to do with the Berlin wall being removed than raygoon did! If you believe otherwise I have a neat bridge in the dessert you will want to buy.

[Silver]

The Pope had more to do with the Berlin wall being removed than raygoon did! If you believe otherwise I have a neat bridge in the dessert you will want to buy.


The Pope had more to do with the Berlin wall being removed than raygoon did!

Really? You've got my attention....enlighten me...send me a link....whatever...

Did the Pope threaten the Russians with his nuclear missiles ?....battalions of tanks....?....harsh words ?...excommunication?? what....

[Kathianne]

The Pope had more to do with the Berlin wall being removed than raygoon did! If you believe otherwise I have a neat bridge in the dessert you will want to buy.

Have you noticed how you are ignored by the right and left? Hint, go away if you can't get it together. You are a loser.

[April15]

Have you noticed how you are ignored by the right and left? Hint, go away if you can't get it together. You are a loser.Why thank you for the diagnosis. And all this time I have been a leader. You guys are lots of fun.

[Silver]

:laugh2: What does Reagan and the hostage release almost thirty years ago have to do with every day Americans not wanting socialism and government involved in every aspect of their lives????

I'm beginning to think Alzheimer’s disease maybe showing up as liberal thinking...not really unusual but in this case, restraint might be in order....just consider the source and let it go...
Her memory might not go back one more President to see what real incompetence in the Oval Office can do to a nation...

[Silver]

The Pope and the Berlin wall ?(delusional)

Reagon Grenada unconstitutional or illegal?(intriguing)

I knew that if the hostages were released the day raygoon was sworn in or before that he violated the law of the land. (WTF?)

====
Even though these inane statements temp me to continue, I'm gonna just laugh it off ...its difficult to take this stuff seriously....
Besides, I OWN so many liberals and Democrats now I don't enjoy it as much I used to....

[Agnapostate]

Wow. I can't believe I'm reading a socialist who thinks the USSR wasn't a communist country.

I've rarely encountered socialists who claim that the USSR was a communist country; even many Marxists disavow significant aspects of the Soviet Union. My own objection to that inaccurate label stems from my own libertarian socialism, specifically anarchism.

For instance, Noam Chomsky retains a similar objection, as elaborated on in The Soviet Union Versus Socialism (http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1986----.htm).


When the world's two great propaganda systems agree on some doctrine, it requires some intellectual effort to escape its shackles. One such doctrine is that the society created by Lenin and Trotsky and molded further by Stalin and his successors has some relation to socialism in some meaningful or historically accurate sense of this concept. In fact, if there is a relation, it is the relation of contradiction.

Of course, Chomsky's article was written in 1986, so you might be inclined to respond that socialists only rejected the Soviet Union once its numerous failures were apparent. (Thought that would still conflict with your claim that socialists ignore the failures of their ideology.) But this claim applies only to certain classes of socialists, and certainly cannot include all. You might mention failures of the Soviet Union when conversing with a Marxist-Leninist, for instance. (And I have many times.) But that approach will likely do you little good in a discussion with those who espouse more libertarian variants of socialism, such as anarchists.

Indeed, legitimate socialists identified the Soviet Union as anti-socialist once they became aware of its authoritarian and statist nature, which might serve as a response to your possible claim that socialists only condemned the Soviet Union once its failures became apparent. For instance, the anarcho-communist Peter Kropotkin recognized the authoritarian, anti-socialist nature of the Bolshevik regime immediately after the Russian Revolution. In a 1920 letter to Lenin he writes this:


Russia has already become a Soviet Republic only in name. The influx and taking over of the people by the 'party,' that is, predominantly the newcomers (the ideological communists are more in the urban centers), has already destroyed the influence and constructive energy of this promising institution - the soviets. At present, it is the party committees, not the soviets, who rule in Russia. And their organization suffers from the defects of bureaucratic organization. To move away from the current disorder, Russia must return to the creative genius of local forces which, as I see it, can be a factor in the creation of a new life.And the sooner that the necessity of this way is understood, the better. People will then be all the more likely to accept [new] social forms of life. If the present situation continues, the very word 'socialism' will turn into a curse. That is what happened to the conception of equality in France for forty years after the rule of the Jacobins.

Kropotkin quickly recognized the state capitalist nature of the Bolshevik regime and the calamities that socialism would later face if the Soviet Union was identified as "socialist." Hence, it is not only Chomsky, nor even only Kropotkin or other anarchists, but all legitimate socialists who recognize the state capitalist nature of the Soviet Union. Indeed, it could be argued that anarchists recognized the imminent failure of authoritarian varieties of Marxism long before the establishment of the Soviet Union or the Bolshevik party, as evidenced by Bakunin's observations that "If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Czar himself" and "When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick."

The anti-socialists' desperation to cling to the falsity that the Soviet Union or its state capitalist ideology was socialist reveals the fact that they have no other arguments against socialism to provide.

[PostmodernProphet]

If the present situation continues, the very word 'socialism' will turn into a curse.

prophetic......

[5stringJeff]

My own objection to that inaccurate label stems from my own libertarian socialism, specifically anarchism.

So you're a libertarian socialist anarchist? How exactly do you manage to simultaneously believe in small government, government ownership/control of the economic system, and no government?

[Mugged Liberal]

I have to disagree. Not only is the left taking notice of, they are trying, but failing to spin. They are pissing off people that were not 'on board.' It's not about the right or left, Democrats and Republicans, but Americans that appalled at what is happening. Be it socialism or communism, it's not what most Americans want!

While I don’t agree at all with the objectives of the “Tea Parties”, I do think it’s an effective tactic for rallying supporters. It is not at all surprising to see the number of folks attending. Just consider how many voters marked their ballot for a Republican.

The left side of the media doesn’t spin the “Tea Parties” negatively any more egregiously than Fox spins them affirmatively. It all depends upon your point of view.

[Agnapostate]

So you're a libertarian socialist anarchist? How exactly do you manage to simultaneously believe in small government, government ownership/control of the economic system, and no government?

Anarchism is a form of libertarian socialism that calls for the abolition of unwarranted hierarchical and compulsory authority. As such, anarchists have traditionally opposed the "Unholy Trinity" of state, church, and capitalism. With the decline of church influence in Western society, anarchist opposition is now primarily targeted towards the state and capitalism, two interwoven institutions that rely on hierarchical subordination and and authoritarian social relationships to function. Libertarian socialism itself is much the same, though it includes non-anarchist forms of socialism, such as autonomism and council communism, and can therefore be minarchist as well as anarchist.

Hence, my preferred form of socialism is not implemented through a state, but through federations of decentralized collectives and communes managed in a direct democratic manner, somewhat akin to the participatory economic structure advocated by Albert and Hahnel. My socialism is also based around its superior efficiency to capitalism, inasmuch as empirical evidence indicating the superior efficiency of worker-owned enterprises to the traditional capitalist firm can be extrapolated.

[Agnapostate]

prophetic......

Kropotkin's prediction has of course proved to be correct, which is why "socialism" and "communism" are merely considered to be synonymous with the state capitalism of the Leninists and Stalinists of the Soviet Union. Marx himself cannot be entirely blamed for that legacy, of course, but it's worth noting that anarchists predicted that authoritarian elements would be able to base themselves upon Marxist principles and tenets. For instance, the Russian anarchist Mikhail Bakunin (Marx's chief foe in the First International, later to be expelled along with the anarchist contingent, marking the beginning of the divide between Marxist and anarchist socialism), wrote this in his 1871 manuscript Statism and Anarchy.


Idealists of all kinds – metaphysicians, positivists, those who support the rule of science over life, doctrinaire revolutionists – all defend the idea of state and state power with equal eloquence, because they see in it, as a consequence of their own systems, the only salvation for society...This fiction of a pseudo-representative government serves to conceal the domination of the masses by a handful of privileged elite; an elite elected by hordes of people who are rounded up and do not know for whom or for what they vote. Upon this artificial and abstract expression of what they falsely imagine to be the will of the people and of which the real living people have not the least idea, they construct both the theory of statism as well as the theory of so-called revolutionary dictatorship.

The differences between revolutionary dictatorship and statism are superficial. Fundamentally they both represent the same principle of minority rule over the majority in the name of the alleged “stupidity” of the latter and the alleged “intelligence” of the former. Therefore they are both equally reactionary since both directly and inevitably must preserve and perpetuate the political and economic privileges of the ruling minority and the political and economic subjugation of the masses of the people.

Now it is clear why the dictatorial revolutionists, who aim to overthrow the existing powers and social structures in order to erect upon their ruins their own dictatorships, never were or will be the enemies of government, but, to the contrary, always will be the most ardent promoters of the government idea. They are the enemies only of contemporary governments, because they wish to replace them. They are the enemies of the present governmental structure, because it excludes the possibility of their dictatorship. At the same time they are the most devoted friends of governmental power. For if the revolution destroyed this power by actually freeing the masses, it would deprive this pseudo-revolutionary minority of any hope to harness the masses in order to make them the beneficiaries of their own government policy.

We have already expressed several times our deep aversion to the theory of Lassalle and Marx, which recommends to the workers, if not as a final ideal at least as the next immediate goal, the founding of a people’s state, which according to their interpretation will be nothing but “the proletariat elevated to the status of the governing class.”

Though many now lament the consequences of establishing "socialism," it is and always has been anarchists who were quick to predict the inevitable failure of the establishment of authoritarian social doctrines masquerading as "socialism," and accordingly, it was anarchists who were the first to be eliminated after the establishment of the state capitalist dictatorship. It's thus rather absurd to lecture libertarian socialists about the alleged failure of their doctrine, as so many unfortunately do.

[PostmodernProphet]

Kropotkin's prediction has of course proved to be correct, which is why "socialism" and "communism" are merely considered to be synonymous with the state capitalism of the Leninists and Stalinists of the Soviet Union. Marx himself cannot be entirely blamed for that legacy, of course, but it's worth noting that anarchists predicted that authoritarian elements would be able to base themselves upon Marxist principles and tenets. For instance, the Russian anarchist Mikhail Bakunin (Marx's chief foe in the First International, later to be expelled along with the anarchist contingent, marking the beginning of the divide between Marxist and anarchist socialism), wrote this in his 1871 manuscript Statism and Anarchy.

/struggles to give a shit..../fails.....

[Agnapostate]

/struggles to give a shit..../fails.....

Then why are you here? :laugh2:

[Psychoblues]

I agree with dimples. Tea bagging or attending tea bagging parties with kids is totally inappropriate and should be outlawed immediately!!!!!!!!!!!


:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[crin63]

From all accounts there were more people at the tea parties than voted Libertarian last election. Twice as many I believe.

[Psychoblues]

I read there were about 250,000 total, nationwide!!!!!!!!!!!



From all accounts there were more people at the tea parties than voted Libertarian last election. Twice as many I believe.

It was hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[crin63]

I read there were about 250,000 total, nationwide!!!!!!!!!!!




It was hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

I read it was closer to 1 million.

[Psychoblues]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Coulda fooled me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I read it was closer to 1 million.



:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[Psychoblues]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Coulda Fooled Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I read it was closer to 1 million.


:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[PostmodernProphet]

Then why are you here? :laugh2:

to talk with the interesting people.....

[Psychoblues]

Thanks, pimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



to talk with the interesting people.....

Me, too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[PostmodernProphet]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Coulda fooled me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Coulda fooled me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


fool you once shame on him, fool you twice?........

[Agnapostate]

to talk with the interesting people.....

Heh. Anarchists made G-20 a lot more interesting than not. :lol:

[5stringJeff]

From all accounts there were more people at the tea parties than voted Libertarian last election. Twice as many I believe.

Well, twice as many as voted for Bob Barr, at least. In GA, we had a Libertarian get over 1 million votes for our Public Service Commission.

[crin63]

Well, twice as many as voted for Bob Barr, at least. In GA, we had a Libertarian get over 1 million votes for our Public Service Commission.

Mea Culpa, you are correct!

[glockmail]

I agree with dimples. Tea bagging or attending tea bagging parties with kids is totally inappropriate and should be outlawed immediately!!!!!!!!!!!.... Perhaps you think this disgusting inference is funny- keep at it to marginalize your side further.

[Kathianne]

Answer to 'why now?'


http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/msms_tea_party_cognitive_disso.html


...Many posed the questions, during their Tea Party coverage, "Why all this anger now? Why are these people protesting now, when they weren't out in the streets during GW's eight years?"

Why indeed. The ordinary American -- normally quite-silent majority -- will take an awful lot of malfeasance and wasteful spending from our federal government. Most of the time, we are just too darned busy to protest anything. We are not getting paid to protest, unlike the anti-war and anti-poverty protesters our media covers in never-ending flurries of fury. We don't get federal tax dollars to protest, as does ACORN, and we have no sugar-daddy like Soros paying us stipends to lend a deceitful public-protest face to his personal views.

We're the productive class, the vast middle. We're busy living our own lives, busy building the businesses and earning our livings, busy raising our children and doing the host of volunteer services that infuse life into our Churches, Synagogues and civic organizations. We're the citizens doing the lion's share of those things which have made America the great and exceptional Nation she has been for the past 2-1/3 centuries.

Much of the anger now boiling over in protest has been building for the past 20 years, since the end of Ronald Reagan's presidential tenure. Much of it is aimed at Republicans, not just Democrats. And it goes to the heart of the size, scope and fundamental duties of the federal government as enumerated by our U.S. Constitution.

This mounting anger, aimed at the tyranny of a federal government -- completely off-the-rails of its Constitutionally-framed limited scope and power -- may be surfacing now due to a tipping in the fragile balance that was upheld during the G.W. Bush presidency. What was that fragile balance between our quietly continuing our personal business and our taking to the streets?

One thing and one thing only, in my opinion. As long as the federal government is doing the one job of protecting our national security and standing up for us in the face of the world's sleights, we will take a great deal of folderol from our elected officials. We will suffer the profligate spending and invasions on our personal freedoms when we - at the very least - believe our leaders are stridently bent on protecting our interests and our children from harm.

When a president cuts both those legs off at the knees, as President Obama has shamelessly done for 100 days, then frustration boils over into national protest.

Obama's first 100 days has been the last straw...

[Kathianne]

Now it's a 'priority' to cut $100 million in 90 days, somehow don't think this teeny percentage is going to unloose the tension. The tea parties he didn't know about are changing some behaviors, well rather rhetoric:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/19/AR2009041902009_pf.html


Obama to Order Cabinet to Quickly Cut $100 Million From Department Budgets
By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 20, 2009 12:08 AM

President Obama plans to convene his Cabinet for the first time today, where he will order members to identify a combined $100 million in budget cuts over the next 90 days, according to a senior administration official.

The budget cuts, while they would account to a minuscule portion of federal spending, are intended to signal the president's determination to cut spending and reform government, the official said.

Obama's order comes as he is under increasing pressure to show momentum toward his goal of eventually reducing the federal deficit, even as he goes about increasing spending in the short run to prop up the economy and support his priorities...

[5stringJeff]

So we've got a $1.4T deficit, but Obama's going to cut $100M? That works out to .01%. Obama's such a damn prick for attempting to appease the American people by throwing crumbs like that.

[Trigg]

I got some great pics of the rally in our city. I had my daughter taking pictures of the signs, hopefully I'll get them posted later on today.

I didn't realize how good a public speaker Alan Keyes was, he really fired up the crowd, he ended up speaking for about 45 minutes. No TelePrompTer that I could see either. :laugh2:

[Kathianne]

So we've got a $1.4T deficit, but Obama's going to cut $100M? That works out to .01%. Obama's such a dam* pric* for attempting to appease the American people by throwing crumbs like that.

It's not going to work, but he's forced into trying. The dems are starting to question the things they 'agree with.'

[glockmail]

I got some great pics of the rally in our city. I had my daughter taking pictures of the signs, hopefully I'll get them posted later on today.

I didn't realize how good a public speaker Alan Keyes was, he really fired up the crowd, he ended up speaking for about 45 minutes. No TelePrompTer that I could see either. :laugh2: Wow- Keyes. Did he go with the Cristian Soldier thing? I'm a big fan.

[PostmodernProphet]

I didn't realize how good a public speaker Alan Keyes was, he really fired up the crowd, he ended up speaking for about 45 minutes. No TelePrompTer that I could see either. :laugh2:

he was my favorite back in the 2000 primaries.....I don't think there is a more eloquent speaker among conservatives....I think if he had gone the more normal route (through Congress or governorship) he would have been the first black president.....but he never managed to build up a local base and show he could win elections......

[Agnapostate]

And he performed best in Borat.

[Kathianne]

he was my favorite back in the 2000 primaries.....I don't think there is a more eloquent speaker among conservatives....I think if he had gone the more normal route (through Congress or governorship) he would have been the first black president.....but he never managed to build up a local base and show he could win elections......

and really screwed up by carpetbagging in IL.

[glockmail]

he was my favorite back in the 2000 primaries.....I don't think there is a more eloquent speaker among conservatives....I think if he had gone the more normal route (through Congress or governorship) he would have been the first black president.....but he never managed to build up a local base and show he could win elections...... He managed to get his name on the GOP primary here in NC and from the numbers I think I was one of the only people who voted for him. They all must be racists.

[Trigg]

Here are some of the pictures we took at the rally. I hope these arn't to big.

[Trigg]

Here's another one.