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red states rule
05-21-2009, 08:48 AM
Another "feel good" policy that will have unintended consequences.

He says this as if he knows no company gives paid vacations.

These politicians live in the classic ivory tower. They have no clue what the real world is all about. None whatsoever.



Alan Grayson to introduce Paid Vacation Act

Rep. Alan Grayson was standing in the middle of Disney World when it hit him: What Americans really need is a week of paid vacation.

So on Thursday, the Florida Democrat will introduce the Paid Vacation Act — legislation that would be the first to make paid vacation time a requirement under federal law.

The bill would require companies with more than 100 employees to offer a week of paid vacation for both full-time and part-time employees after they’ve put in a year on the job. Three years after the effective date of the law, those same companies would be required to provide two weeks of paid vacation, and companies with 50 or more employees would have to provide one week.

The idea: More vacation will stimulate the economy through fewer sick days, better productivity and happier employees.

“There’s a reason why Disney World is the happiest place on Earth: The people who go there are on vacation,” said Grayson, a freshman who counts Orlando as part of his home district. “Honestly, as much as I appreciate this job and as much as I enjoy it, the best days of my life are and always have been the days I’m on vacation.”

According to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, 28 million Americans — or about a quarter of the work force — don’t get any paid vacation. The center says that a lack of vacation causes stress and workplace burnout and that those evil twins cost the economy more than $300 billion each year.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22794.html

Insein
05-21-2009, 09:00 AM
So we're slowing becoming France? We will gradually have 6-8 weeks mandatory paid vacation? As sweet as that sounds to everyone (cause who doesn't want paid vacation time) it will ultimately lead companies to either hire less people, lay people off or go out of business. So paid vacation bill could lead to permanent unpaid vacation.

red states rule
05-21-2009, 09:03 AM
So we're slowing becoming France? We will gradually have 6-8 weeks mandatory paid vacation? As sweet as that sounds to everyone (cause who doesn't want paid vacation time) it will ultimately lead companies to either hire less people, lay people off or go out of business. So paid vacation bill could lead to permanent unpaid vacation.

Obama and Co are really going for this whole European Socialist thing

Want a vacation? You have 2 options. Go work for a company that offers paid time off or save your money and take the time off.

PostmodernProphet
05-21-2009, 10:38 AM
thank god....I've been waiting for me to give myself a paid vacation for years......

avatar4321
05-21-2009, 02:34 PM
Why on earth cant they just leave companies alone? Paid vacations are nice, but come on, it doesnt have to be legislatively mandated.

red states rule
05-21-2009, 02:39 PM
Why on earth cant they just leave companies alone? Paid vacations are nice, but come on, it doesnt have to be legislatively mandated.

He'd be better off passing the "Paid Work Act"

It would limit Congress to 2 weeks vacation!

Insein
05-21-2009, 07:39 PM
He'd be better off passing the "Paid Work Act"

It would limit Congress to 2 weeks vacation!

I prefer congress working as little as possible. The country can get by a little easier.

April15
05-21-2009, 09:48 PM
While the idea is nice it will not work in the USA.

Immanuel
05-21-2009, 09:56 PM
While the idea is nice it will not work in the USA.

It doesn't belong here. It should be up to companies to decide if they can and will pay employees for vacation, not the government. Granted many companies weight the idea of not paying vacation, but many come to the conclusion that it is a good idea.

I believe employers should pay employees vacation time. It does a lot of things including helping morale, but that should be a decision for the employer not the government.

My wife's company recently eliminated both paid holidays (they still close the store) and paid vacations. Now, as an employee my wife has two options. She can continue to work for the company, be unhappy that management made this decision or she can find another job that does pay vacation and holiday pay and quit the job she now has. The choice is hers. I'm sure that if enough employees were unhappy with the decision and quit their jobs, management would have to rethink their decision, but that is not happening in this case.

Immie

MtnBiker
05-21-2009, 10:07 PM
Now, as an employee my wife has two options. She can continue to work for the company, be unhappy that management made this decision or she can find another job that does pay vacation and holiday pay and quit the job she now has. The choice is hers. I'm sure that if enough employees were unhappy with the decision and quit their jobs, management would have to rethink their decision, but that is not happening in this case.

Immie

People must realize that they have those option, that is if they are a value to their employer. If they do not make themselves a value then they diminish their compensation potential. Employers are happy to extend vacation pay for valued employees. I haven't worked for an employer who does not include vaction pay, and that is my choice. It is absurd for the government to become involved in such a matter.

April15
05-21-2009, 10:14 PM
People must realize that they have those option, that is if they are a value to their employer. If they do not make themselves a value then they diminish their compensation potential. Employers are happy to extend vacation pay for valued employees. I haven't worked for an employer who does not include vaction pay, and that is my choice. It is absurd for the government to become involved in such a matter.What kind of work you do? I have not run across any company that does anything for the employees but fire them.

Immanuel
05-21-2009, 10:51 PM
What kind of work you do? I have not run across any company that does anything for the employees but fire them.

Well, no wonder you are so... um, how can I describe you, anti-capitalistic?

In this country it is foolish for a large company not to offer vacation pay. Good benefits provide the company a competitive employment package and allows the company to pick and choose the best employees.

Now, my wife is an unskilled worker whose employer is a small cleaner. She works there for the convenience. They can hire anyone off the streets so they don't have to offer the benefits. But a large company that wants to compete for the best employees had better offer a decent benefits package or they won't stay competitive.

Immie

MtnBiker
05-22-2009, 12:32 AM
I have not run across any company that does anything for the employees but fire them.


Absurd! I deal with at least 15 business owners, non of them want to fire their employees, they want their employees to perform well and be a profitable part of the business. As Immie said, employers will compete for better employees. But there is also a responsiblity of the employee to be a value to the employer.

red states rule
05-22-2009, 05:39 AM
While the idea is nice it will not work in the USA.

This insane bill is showing the American people that Dems don't know anything about running a business.

Dems want to give stuff away that does not belong to them, and proves that Dems think government is the answer to everything.

April15
05-22-2009, 04:23 PM
This insane bill is showing the American people that Dems don't know anything about running a business.

Dems want to give stuff away that does not belong to them, and proves that Dems think government is the answer to everything.What I find is that this nation is the only industrialized one that doesn't have even required vacation and in most cases refuses to let people have the time off. It will not work here because the profit concept is more important than people.

MtnBiker
05-22-2009, 04:57 PM
and in most cases refuses to let people have the time off.

conjecture

Kathianne
05-22-2009, 05:55 PM
What I find is that this nation is the only industrialized one that doesn't have even required vacation and in most cases refuses to let people have the time off. It will not work here because the profit concept is more important than people.

April, you have said you owned your own business and were successful at it. So how did you conduct it? What specifically did Reagan do to kill it? How is it that over 25 years later you're still failing, according to your posts in jeopardy of now losing your home, what is that problem? One would gather you've done everything right, but since Reagan, the government has screwed you over and over again. Your solutions?

April15
05-22-2009, 06:38 PM
April, you have said you owned your own business and were successful at it. So how did you conduct it? What specifically did Reagan do to kill it? How is it that over 25 years later you're still failing, according to your posts in jeopardy of now losing your home, what is that problem? One would gather you've done everything right, but since Reagan, the government has screwed you over and over again. Your solutions?To be in business 25 plus years is not failing. At this time the policies of the republican guard have caused the American economy to collapse. It is just about at the bottom and hopefully will start to get better in this year.
As to Ronni the putz? The financial problems that arose from deficiet spending caused a financial fall out not as bad as the one we are currently in but sufficient enough to cause a tightening of belts in the housing sector. To react to that I had to lay off most everyone and eventually did layoff everybody and strap on the tool belt again. Some of the bigger companies went out of business as the money just dried up.
The government did not screw me. The policies screwed many Americans just not those well to do. You probably got screwed and didn't even know it.

Insein
05-25-2009, 09:45 PM
To be in business 25 plus years is not failing. At this time the policies of the republican guard have caused the American economy to collapse. It is just about at the bottom and hopefully will start to get better in this year.
As to Ronni the putz? The financial problems that arose from deficiet spending caused a financial fall out not as bad as the one we are currently in but sufficient enough to cause a tightening of belts in the housing sector. To react to that I had to lay off most everyone and eventually did layoff everybody and strap on the tool belt again. Some of the bigger companies went out of business as the money just dried up.
The government did not screw me. The policies screwed many Americans just not those well to do. You probably got screwed and didn't even know it.

So to sum up Ronnie bad cause of Deficit Spending ruining a failing economy.

Obama good cause of Deficit Spending to save a failing economy.

I don't get it? Oh wait...

Reagan (R)
Obama (D)

I get it now. :lame2: